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| Originally posted by mps242 You can only make that statement if you completely ignore Bush's speech to the UN and everything that the Administration was saying before the war. They sold us on WMD, but they were ALWAYS talking about what a brutal dictator Saddam was... |
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| Originally posted by mps242 Really? Then where are the French and German troops? Why was there such a big fuss when contracts were going to be awarded to contributing nations? |
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| Originally posted by mps242 Gosh, thanks Europe for all those rebuilding funds, it certainly puts the US contribution to shame...  Shit, Canada has contributed more in terms of troops and funds to Afghanistan than most of Europe. |
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| Originally posted by mps242 The way things actually work: Europeans find themselves with a mess on their hands that they can't deal with, so they call the US to bomb the shit out of the problem and put our troops lives on the line. Of course, Europe never thinks it's appropriate to act in the fact of ethnic cleansing or genocide unless it threatens to spill over into their own country. Over the next several decades, we're forced to babysit the problem with US troops, and diplomcay while we have to deal with Eurotards (I mean far-leftists, the US equivalent are Amerotards) protesting the presence of US troops. Oh, and if they've stopped protesting our presense they then decide to complain that the US didn't start bombing soon enough. Then the US gets to foot the bill for rebuilding Europe in exchange for a few lousy bases and having our soldiers gravestones vandalized. Oh, and when Europeans do decide to contribute peacekeepers, they're far too concerned about keeping their uniforms clean to actually do anything to prevent ethnic strife and murders when chaos breaks out right next to their base. I think that pretty much sums up that past century of American/European relations. |
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| Originally posted by mps242 Oh yeah, I forgot... When NATO invokes article 5 only Canada and the UK seem to actually be willing to put their money where their mouth is and stand up to help their "ally and friend." |
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| Originally posted by mps242 Yes Bush has fucked up, but no we can't just leave Iraq today. And no... Europeans pulling out of Iraq and refusing to assist in stabilizing the country is not a principled, moral, fair, or intelligent attitude... Perhaps if Europeans would admit that their current position is just as wrong as Bushes position was a year ago, you'd find more Americans open to European criticism. |
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| Originally posted by borron Laughable. Let's see some of that "top notch" treatment.   Caption (^^picture above^^): "Children are among the detainees at Guantanamo Bay."  MY PERSONAL FAVOURITE:  Caption: "Agenti della polizia militare trasferiscono in barella un detenuto del campo X-Ray di Guantanamo Bay per sottoporlo a interrogatorio" Rough translation: Military police agents transfer detainee from X-ray camp to interrogatory room. |
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| Originally posted by borron Laughable. Let's see some of that "top notch" treatment. Caption (^^picture above^^): "Children are among the detainees at Guantanamo Bay." MY PERSONAL FAVOURITE: Caption: "Agenti della polizia militare trasferiscono in barella un detenuto del campo X-Ray di Guantanamo Bay per sottoporlo a interrogatorio" Rough translation: Military police agents transfer detainee from X-ray camp to interrogatory room. |
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| Originally posted by borron Laughable. Let's see some of that "top notch" treatment. |
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| Originally posted by occrider Well apparentely the kid had a good time haha. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...08/ixworld.html |
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| Originally posted by trancaholic - Did the US keep bases there only for altruistic reasons, or did the "War on Communism" influence this decision as well? |
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| Originally posted by occrider Well apparentely the kid had a good time haha. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...08/ixworld.html |
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| Mohammed Ismail Agha, 15, who until last week was held at the US military base in Guantanamo Bay, said that he was treated very well and particularly enjoyed learning to speak English. His words will disappoint critics of the US policy of detaining "illegal combatants" in south-east Cuba indefinitely and without trial. In a first interview with any of the three juveniles held by the US at Guantanamo Bay base, Mohammed said: "They gave me a good time in Cuba. They were very nice to me, giving me English lessons." Mohammed, an unemployed Afghan farmer, found the surroundings in Cuba at first baffling. After he settled in, however, he was left to enjoy stimulating school work, good food and prayer. "At first I was unhappy . . . For two or three days [after I arrived in Cuba] I was confused but later the Americans were so nice to me. They gave me good food with fruit and water for ablutions and prayer," he said yesterday in Naw Zad, a remote market town in southern Afghanistan close to his home village and 300 miles south-west of Kabul, the capital. He said that the American soldiers taught him and his fellow child captives - aged 15 and 13 - to write and speak a little English. They supplied them with books in their native Pashto language. When the three boys left last week for Afghanistan, the soldiers looking after them gave them a send-off dinner and urged them to continue their studies. |
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| Originally posted by borron Laughable. Let's see some of that "top notch" treatment. Caption (^^picture above^^): "Children are among the detainees at Guantanamo Bay." MY PERSONAL FAVOURITE: Caption: "Agenti della polizia militare trasferiscono in barella un detenuto del campo X-Ray di Guantanamo Bay per sottoporlo a interrogatorio" Rough translation: Military police agents transfer detainee from X-ray camp to interrogatory room. |
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| Originally posted by occrider You speak of the "war on communism" as if it were isolated to the US alone and Europe was an unwilling bystander. If you consider the US decision to keep troops in Europe not "altruistic" since it is in the interest of the US to not have a Soviet occupied western Europe, than I'm at a loss for words. I'm sure many Europeans, starting in 1949, would agree. |
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| Originally posted by Orbax I should do research one of these days too. Its neat! |
Right?
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| Originally posted by occrider You speak of the "war on communism" as if it were isolated to the US alone and Europe was an unwilling bystander. If you consider the US decision to keep troops in Europe not "altruistic" since it is in the interest of the US to not have a Soviet occupied western Europe, than I'm at a loss for words. I'm sure many Europeans, starting in 1949, would agree. |
If you people think they are being treated nicely, that's fine with me.
The way i see things, i think the US is seeding hatred for the americans all over the world. You may protect yourselves with a massive army, police and security all around, but you can't be 100% safe. There is too much hatred being generated against you, in many parts of the world.
Hatred against americans will not disappear just like that, it will come back against you in a very evil, despicable way. Sure, you've had a terrorist attack which has horrendous, Madrid too, and maybe another european city is next... but your time will come.
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| Originally posted by borron If you people think they are being treated nicely, that's fine with me. The way i see things, i think the US is seeding hatred for the americans all over the world. You may protect yourselves with a massive army, police and security all around, but you can't be 100% safe. There is too much hatred being generated against you, in many parts of the world. Hatred against americans will not disappear just like that, it will come back against you in a very evil, despicable way. Sure, you've had a terrorist attack which has horrendous, Madrid too, and maybe another european city is next... but your time will come, you'll see. And this time, you deserve it. |
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| Originally posted by borron If you people think they are being treated nicely, that's fine with me. The way i see things, i think the US is seeding hatred for the americans all over the world. You may protect yourselves with a massive army, police and security all around, but you can't be 100% safe. There is too much hatred being generated against you, in many parts of the world. Hatred against americans will not disappear just like that, it will come back against you in a very evil, despicable way. Sure, you've had a terrorist attack which has horrendous, Madrid too, and maybe another european city is next... but your time will come, you'll see. And this time, you deserve it. |
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| Originally posted by trancaholic Seeing the quote out of context (why?), I can almost relate to what you are saying. Courtesy of Merriam-Webster we have that "altrustic" means: 1 : unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others 2 : behavior by an animal that is not beneficial to or may be harmful to itself but that benefits others of its species Thus, whether any human ever acted altruistically may be debatable (for the record: I think not). mps242's post presented the presence of bases in Europe as an act that was carried out *solely* to benefit us whining Eurotards. I think not. I'm sorry if that leaves you speechless. |
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| Originally posted by borron If you people think they are being treated nicely, that's fine with me. The way i see things, i think the US is seeding hatred for the americans all over the world. You may protect yourselves with a massive army, police and security all around, but you can't be 100% safe. There is too much hatred being generated against you, in many parts of the world. Hatred against americans will not disappear just like that, it will come back against you in a very evil, despicable way. Sure, you've had a terrorist attack which has horrendous, Madrid too, and maybe another european city is next... but your time will come, you'll see. And this time, you deserve it. |
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| Originally posted by NYCTrancefan ...you are as disgusting as your commentary borron or should I say moron, judging by such a comment. |
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| Originally posted by NeoPhono You're a pretty damn evil person, aren't you? Hopefully in a few days, when you're not talking in spite, you'll realize what you just said. Nice one. |
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| Originally posted by trancaholic I cannot fathom why you ordinary Americans have this need to defend the Iraq war. Admit that your government screwed up. Misled you. Abused its allies. Your not your government. |
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| Originally posted by borron The way i see things, i think the US is seeding hatred for the americans all over the world. You may protect yourselves with a massive army, police and security all around, but you can't be 100% safe. There is too much hatred being generated against you, in many parts of the world. Hatred against americans will not disappear just like that, it will come back against you in a very evil, despicable way. Sure, you've had a terrorist attack which has horrendous, Madrid too, and maybe another european city is next... but your time will come. |
Just watch any news channel. As the Palestinian Authority said, the US is benefiting Israel. The US has a crucial role in this peace process, so you can imagine how the palestinians feel. But the palestinians have more to think about, so let's put that issue aside (it's worn out already).
The intervention in Afghanistan - how many enemies do you think you have created there? As many as the ones killed for sure...
Iraq - US hatred is pretty explicit, more and more everyday.
Pakistan - The US are hated there (for several reasons, maybe the most powerful was the war in Afghanistan). Musharraf is suffering severe blows, including assassination attemps, because of his support to the US.
I guess most arabs and arab countries hate the US now, because of the reasons above. Countries such as Iran, Syria, Lebanon, even your close ally Saudi Arabia... the government may even cooperate with the US, but that's on the basis of fear and doesn't necessarily express the opinions of their citizens - and these citizens are the ones recruted for terrorist attacks.
Some may say that blaming the Palestinian situation as a cause of arab anger is simplistic - i also think this, but if this situation was solved in a civilized manner, with no expressed support of Israel by the US, at least the arabs wouldn't have anything to blame the US (excluding the Iraq situation of course, but that will take many many years).
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| Originally posted by borron Just watch any news channel. As the Palestinian Authority said, the US is benefiting Israel. The US has a crucial role in this peace process, so you can imagine how the palestinians feel. But the palestinians have more to think about, so let's put that issue aside (it's worn out already). The intervention in Afghanistan - how many enemies do you think you have created there? As many as the ones killed for sure... Iraq - US hatred is pretty explicit, more and more everyday. Pakistan - The US are hated there (for several reasons, maybe the most powerful was the war in Afghanistan). Musharraf is suffering severe blows, including assassination attemps, because of his support to the US. I guess most arabs and arab countries hate the US now, because of the reasons above. Countries such as Iran, Syria, Lebanon, even your close ally Saudi Arabia... the government may even cooperate with the US, but that's on the basis of fear and doesn't necessarily express the opinions of their citizens... |
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| Originally posted by Orbax GG guys, you must have read my mind through the internet. I never believed the WMD thing. I have always thought that someone needs to go clean up the Middle East. So it isnt me buying into propaganda. I dont watch TV. I just read stuff from around the world. You said that the Iraquis should have done it? I already covered that. You think funding could ever get that hopeless mob into a fighting force that can take over the most militarized nation on earth? You think those some people who come out of their holes screaming when a loudspeaker says that they have no nuts are gonna be the fighting force you need? Hell no. Iraqis werent gonna do shit. Even if we could somehow persuade a faction of their military to splinter, it would be a clusterfuck and you know it. Those people cant fight worth crap. And I am AlLLLLLLlLL for America going after every shitty little country. North Korea, the rest of the Middle East, and pretty much all of Africa too. I think the UN needs to clean up Africa more than its the USs job, but the point is this: Its about fuc$ing time for people to realize that the horrible conditions out there CAN BE CHANGED. No more of this "but what can I do, im just one man" crap. You can join the army, get sent off to another country, and change it. The fact that it took until 2004 for somene to get off their ass and depose Sadam is ridiculous. The fact that we have pussies out there backing away from what I see as their obligation to help clean up the world saying that Iraq should not have been bothered...God help us. If Hitler happened again today,Id be very afraid to what the rest of the world's reaction to him would be. I think the UN is foolish for not utilizing a nation that can walk in and conquer a country in 2 weeks. I think it is foolish for not making a group that could do it in 1 week, and then, using a coalition force, bring about the needed changes under martial law. But thats not gonna happen is it? Because the UN does nothing. They are the same fun dudes who let Rwanda happen because it "wasnt genocide" and it makes me sick that the US didnt walk in, place a boot on their neck, and stick a shottie to the back of their head and tell them to stop killing people with machetes. The UN withdrew from a school and hundreds of women and children were beaten to death, shot, and hacked with machetes. When do we stop being bystanders, and starting being activists? How much shit needs to happen? We had to get 3000 people killed. What will it take for you guys to change YOUR minds? RE: Americans being the best occupiers. You are projecting your own idiotic logic onto me when you say that YOU AS AN AMERICAN WANT TO BE CAPTURED BY AMERICANS *bouts of insane giggling because youre so clever* No, moron, Americans treat their captives top notch. The Chinese will just torture your ass, the French will lock you away in some dank hell hole for eternity, and Middle Easterns will just kill you. Because of the prominence of the US we are held to the highest level. If we did something shitty to our prisoners, the world would be up in arms, bitching. So there are two reasons why its better to be under US occupation. Next time pinch your vagina lips closed before you let them going flapping in the wind again. |
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| Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Its ironic however borron that you don't have any pics of any of the detainees with a bullet hole in the back of their head and could never find such a pic, ask yourself why. |
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| Originally posted by FuzzyGreen How exactly is the US seeding hatred? What exactly are these bad things Americans are doing that is worth terrorism? |
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