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that's my opinion

he is pushing average tracks by sub average producers and the kiddies are eating it up and he is making a ton of dough from it. Nothing wrong with making a ton of dough but I think the quality of the productions has hit a brand new low. Then you have kids who want to be like their heroes and they don't realize that uniqueness makes the big names. Armin is probably making so much money, that he really does not care.

at the end of the day, if you dont like what he plays dont listen.

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Originally posted by Frase at the end of the day, if you dont like what he plays dont listen.

I don't. Doesn't mean it's not a shame that he doesn't produce like he used to, or that this board isn't clogged with people constantly singing his praises.

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Originally posted by Cobalt I don't. Doesn't mean it's not a shame that he doesn't produce like he used to, or that this board isn't clogged with people constantly singing his praises.

well if people sing their praises thats their opinion, whether you agree with it or not you have to respect their views, as for producing how he used to, same could be said for every producer out there.

Their styles change as they do, they progress with the times. Too much of a good thing could be bad, which is why id like to see 1998-99 years put to rest, no one today could emulate them.

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Originally posted by Frase well if people sing their praises thats their opinion, whether you agree with it or not you have to respect their views,

That's true. But people act as if no one is entitled to a negative opinion of Armin, either, which I find frustrating. Further, I have reasons why I hold the opinion I have of Armin, and I haven't heard any convincing counterargument. The purpose of the board is discussion.

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Their styles change as they do, they progress with the times. Too much of a good thing could be bad, which is why id like to see 1998-99 years put to rest, no one today could emulate them.

On the contrary, I feel that the current style of Dutch trance is desperately trying to press the last life out of 1999's legacy, rather than growing past it.

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Originally posted by Frase well if people sing their praises thats their opinion, whether you agree with it or not you have to respect their views,

no i don't. i have better taste than 90% of this forum and the rest of us are tired of the crap we have to see everyday with all the stupid threads about armin #1 or tiesto #1 shit...











there...that ought to piss someone off hehehe

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Originally posted by Cobalt That's true. But people act as if no one is entitled to a negative opinion of Armin, either, which I find frustrating. Further, I have reasons why I hold the opinion I have of Armin, and I haven't heard any convincing counterargument. The purpose of the board is discussion.

Very valid points, im all for discussion about DJ's but its when certain members start to reply with such unintelligent responses to topics. Certainly one of the reasons why i dont regulary visit this site, glad there is at least one who can hold a decent convo with lol

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Originally posted by Cobalt On the contrary, I feel that the current style of Dutch trance is desperately trying to press the last life out of 1999's legacy, rather than growing past it.

Im sorry i dont agree with that point, the dutch style i think no way captures the huge euphoric breakdowns with the addictive melodic hooks which made 1999 so popular.

In general i think people complain too much about trance, there will never be a day when everyone is happy with how the industry is going. People will always have the comments to make about how its sounding so similar and formulaic, personally i couldnt give two hoots what the construction of it was, if it makes me dance then im game. For those that concentrate and generally just like being awkward complaining that trance is never good then i recommend that they start producing their own stuff, if they can do better then lets hear what they can come up with

The only time you hear a positive comment about avb, tiesto, pvd or ferry is in a thread bashing one of the others.

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Originally posted by Ghostface The only time you hear a positive comment about avb, tiesto, pvd or ferry is in a thread bashing one of the others.

That made me think of something.

If all the active tranceaddict board members were stranded on a desert island a la Lord of the Flies, I wonder what groups would form? I bet we would factionalize based on certain DJ allegiances, first and foremost, with genre preferences secondary.

The next question, of course, would be what groups come to violence first (assuming no one set up a rule of law). Which would eventually come to dominate? How many would be killed in the process?

Okay, that enough out of me.

armin whores would be the 1st to go

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Originally posted by Cobalt That made me think of something. If all the active tranceaddict board members were stranded on a desert island a la Lord of the Flies, I wonder what groups would form? I bet we would factionalize based on certain DJ allegiances, first and foremost, with genre preferences secondary. The next question, of course, would be what groups come to violence first (assuming no one set up a rule of law). Which would eventually come to dominate? How many would be killed in the process? Okay, that enough out of me.

hahahha that's great...

i would say they would break up into 4 tribes to start with...Tiesto tribe, pvd tribe, armin tribe, and prog tribe (really its all the same hahahaha j/k). then their might be the emergence of a harder trance/techno tribe and they'd be the first to start violence. their would be a slow trend for the armin, pvd, tiesto tribes to find allegiance in the prog tribe, especially as more and more trancers joined, and slowly would gain control of the island. until of course, then there is a revolt among the prog tribe do to overpopulation and then trance groups reform and break apart...and so it continues...

i obviously need to go to bed...good night everyone...

Great idea, Cobalt Only problem is the numbers in each tribe would be so askew that the ASOT tribe would easily wipe out all the others

armin pwns. I think he should play a darker set once in a while though.

+1

Personally, this is just a case of the tall poppy syndrome, any aussie will know what that means. I myself dont think his latest productions have been up to par with his older tracks, but i think people expect every track to be better then the last, or they compare it to that stomping track he made years ago.
If he stayed like he did 5 years ago, people would get bored and say its the same old. If he tries something new, like tiesto has done everyone will jump on the "wtf is tiesto playing bangwagon".

I think the only valid reason why you would/could critise him, would be based on what he plays out in the clubs. I have seen many djs in my time and i still think he is the most animated and crowd savvy then any other that i have seen.

*runs off singing.... All aboard....... the bandwagon*

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Originally posted by narcism If he stayed like he did 5 years ago, people would get bored and say its the same old. If he tries something new, like tiesto has done everyone will jump on the "wtf is tiesto playing bangwagon".

If Armin had managed to create something as powerful as say Alibi - Eternity again while at the same time experimenting like he did with Fuel To Fire, his earlier house tracks or Sunburn, I sure as hell wouldn't complain. But since all the ASOT squaddies start wailing the minute Armin tries to play or create something else than shite and stale ASOT garbage, that isn't gonna happen.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper But since all the ASOT squaddies start wailing the minute Armin tries to play or create something else than shite and stale ASOT garbage, that isn't gonna happen.

So basically, this is about the people who listen to ASOT
and the songs he plays on it, as opposed to what he plays out in the clubs.

his sets in the clubs are just asot x3-4

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Originally posted by narcism So basically, this is about the people who listen to ASOT and the songs he plays on it, as opposed to what he plays out in the clubs.

It's about the fact that his fans won't let him experiment and do different stuff. Of course, if Armin had had a shred of sense for artistic development he wouldn't give a shit what they say and make different things anyway, but that's obviously not the case.

HEY, At least he's better than PvD

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Originally posted by InfiniteSquare HEY, At least he's better than PvD

lol......

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Originally posted by InfiniteSquare HEY, At least he's better than PvD

Well i think pvd caters for all his fans, and this thread is obviously doubting armins ability to climb out of his ASOT pigeon hole he's created for himself atm.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper It's about the fact that his fans won't let him experiment and do different stuff. Of course, if Armin had had a shred of sense for artistic development he wouldn't give a shit what they say and make different things anyway, but that's obviously not the case.

exactly...what it really comes down to is too many people want stupid songs that are boring as hell. if people had better taste in music and bought only good records instead of the cheesey tunes they fill their record crates with...we wouldn't have this problem...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller exactly...what it really comes down to is too many people want stupid songs that are boring as hell. if people had better taste in music and bought only good records instead of the cheesey tunes they fill their record crates with...we wouldn't have this problem...

Nothing wrong with being cheesy, this is European music after all. In the long run, it's all cheesy and that's why we're here. The problem is all those tracks that cater to mp3 kiddies and are really ineffective in the dancefloor. Armin is probably the most reactionary dj in DJ Mag's top 10.

think id have to agree on this one 99.9% of dutch trance is fuckin bollax just pisses me off, all sounds the same and is just pure cheese, nowdays the only trance i like is from uk, seem to have always been years ahead of mainland europe in terms of producing (with a few exceptions of course), dont know if its the lifestyle in mainland europe that influences the cheesy synths which all sound the same. there should be a new genre "typical trance" all dutch and belgian trance would appear under this sub genre as it all sounds the same and u know what to expect before u have even heard it, yet u get idiots in #armind shoutin "OMFG I DIE" at the same sound everyweek. boring as hell

your cheeze

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