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Bahahahahah the best arguement that you can come up with is that he "looks" evil
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Lets talk about how chretien looked.... and it seems to me like jack layton is looking an awful lot like ned flanders....
lets hear some GOOD reasons why we should all vote NDP matt...
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 Bahahahahah the best arguement that you can come up with is that he "looks" evil |
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| lets hear some GOOD reasons why we should all vote NDP matt... |
1. Opposition to Star Wars missile defence --- i agree this is a stupid idea but its #1000 on my priorities list.
2. 100% support for Gay rights --- i beleive harper's only opposition is calling gay marriage a marriage. They would still have the same rights as marriage in a civil union but by not calling it marriage it would be a good comprimise for now.
3. Movement to modernize marijuana laws -- the day the NDP actually do this... its not going to happen anytime soon under any government so quit dreaming.
4. Reform of electoral system to better benefit the people -- exactly what the conservatives want. They also want proportional voting and abolishing the senate or at least making it an elected body of government
5. Fighting the two-tier healthcare movement - WHAT 2 TIER HEALTH MOVEMENT? there isnt one. Its pure propeganda. Read above
6. Protection of aboriginal treaty rights -- yes and no... aboriginals should have the right to self governing territories but at the price of discntinuing handouts. Autonomous regious should be autonomous.
7. Protection of environment a priority --- the Fiberals have signed the kyoto accord at the expense of tens of thousands of jobs. I agree that the environment needs to be protected but money alone wont solve this problem.
... I could probably go on.
Go ahead, vote for Conservatives, I really don't care. My beliefs are with the NDP, yours are with the Conservatives, and I respect that.
Just go out and VOTE, that's the important thing this election. Voter turnout is lower than ever. (21% of people 18-21 in last election, 61% overall) ------ THIS IS ONE THING WE BOTH AGREE ON!
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 if u want a lib minority or a conservative minority you are best voting for the conservatives. |
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| Originally posted by drgoodvibe difference between Cons and Lib's one tells you straight in the eye when they're fucking you in the ass... the other tells you there not fucking you in the ass while still fucking you in the ass. p.s I will be voting liberal, its just the lesser of two evils. |
Mr. Speaker i demand u restore order to this house.. ! 
Sorry, Beh, I missed a page.
As for what ppl may worry about Harper's social views, they hardly matter what his "personal" views are since the laws are already set, and his religion may dictate his personal views, but the conservative party policy is not run by that, it's run by existing party policy.
What do you even know about any of Paul Martin's personal views? This isn't the US policitical system, our leaders don't have massive veto power, they don't personally support and introduce bills of reform, it's always a PARTY platform or issue in this country.
And for your fear-mongering bullshit, which was the kind of idiocy that kept ppl from voting for the Reform party becasue Preston was a minister. The aspect of voting for social policy that effects Canadians sould belong to the people, and the Reform and Consevative parties want it left up to Candians via refferendums as opposed to the majority party telling everyone how to live. That is a main conservative ideal.
Your Fuher Nazi implications show how mature and knowledgeable you are Beh. Comparing people to the Nazi's is certainly high brow. It's a simple tool people use.. demonize people so that thier ideas will be dissmissed, and laughed @.
Do the world a favour Beh, don't vote, you don't deserve it.
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 2. 100% support for Gay rights --- i beleive harper's only opposition is calling gay marriage a marriage. They would still have the same rights as marriage in a civil union but by not calling it marriage it would be a good comprimise for now. |
lets talk about all the comments that some members of the fiberal party have made. Next lets talk about how much money they STOLE from us. The very fact that the RCMP is investigating the liberal party for corruption should be enough for us to vote elsewhere.
"If you vote Lieberal, your package is this big."
the Fuhrer comment was out of place, I put my foot in my mouth and I admit it, I apologize completely.
here's the rest as I see it.
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�The Conservative Party of Canada is a broadly based and balanced political party. It includes conservatives of all stripes: economic conservatives who stress lower taxes, less debt, and more efficient government; red tories who emphasize a sustainable environment, responsible social programs and important national institutions; social conservatives who want to strengthen our families and make our communities safer; and democratic reformers, who believe government must be responsible to the people rather than to the Prime Minister�s Office. |
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The CBC reported yesterday that Premier Klein said that Health care is not sustainable. Suggestions the Premier (of Canada�s richest province) made are to implement the use of the private sector, user fees and delisting (removing from public funding) some health care services presently paid for. Calling health care is no longer sustainable sounds strangely familiar. These are very words used by Belinda Stronach in describing her position on health care although Stronach diverges from Klein on user fees and delisting services, inasmuch that can be determined in the absence of a formal CPC platform on the issue. It is likely the Conservative Party of Canada (CPC) wishes Klein had not injected a controversial statement leading up to an election call. It focuses attention on an issue that Alliance was forced to continually defend distracting them from attacking the Liberal record. The last published health care position from Alliance did not exclude user fees. It remains to be seen what the CPC will ultimately adopt however it is a safe bet that no party would want to run on Klein�s recommendations. Most parties are advancing privatizing some health care services where the costs are fully funded by the province. While considerations must be made to improve efficiency and lower costs privatization does not necessarily lead to improvement so much as it lowers cost. Solutions in public health must come from studies and informed judgement not casual political rhetoric. Klein has stated that he does not support any one leadership candidate although Stronach originally indicated she had Klein�s support. When Klein was asked about Stronach�s position on same-sex marriage Klein said it may be a �deal-breaker.� |
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Alberta and Ottawa head for confrontation on healthcare RED DEER, ALBERTA - Premier Ralph Klein says he will challenge the Canada Health Act to make Albertans pay for more health care. Klein told a P-C party policy conference on Saturday that the current health system is too generous. He says Alberta is already spending about one-third of its budget on health care. He said, "Health spending threatens to squeeze out important spending in other areas such as education, justice, policing, environmental protection to name but a few." Klein maintains the Canada Health Act was never intended to cover all health care services for everyone. A report done by the Premier's Advisory Council on Health Care is expected later this month. Klein says he'll act on the recommendations "immediately." |
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McDonough attacks Liberals on health care Last Updated Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:13:48 TORONTO - NDP Leader Alexa McDonough says Liberal health policies are killing people. Campaigning in Toronto Monday, McDonough said cuts to health care brought about by the Liberals are causing some people to die unnecessarily. McDonough is calling for a massive federal investment in healthcare "I don't think there's any question that there are people who are dying unecessarily or dying terrible deaths because of the massive cuts to our health care system," she said. McDonough couldn't say how many people she thinks may have died because of the Liberal cuts. But she says she has heard many stories of patients being turned away from overcrowded emergency rooms or being forced to wait for desperately needed cancer treatment. |
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Martin said the Ontario situation was caused by the tax cuts brought in by former Conservative premier Mike Harris. And then he lumped Harris and Harper together as politicians who will sacrifice essential services for the sake of tax cuts. "Stephen Harper is essentially saying, 'Cut taxes now and face the consequences later.' That's what Mike Harris said, and we see what happens." But Martin didn't comment on what the opposition parties in Ontario say is significant: that the Ontario Liberals broke a campaign promise to hold the line on taxes. Many in Martin's camp worry that voter anger over that decision will bleed over to the federal Liberal party in the coming federal election. Later, the Liberals invited reporters to a hastily-arranged news conference on Harper's ties to the National Citizens Coalition, a right-wing lobby group he used to head. Liberal candidate Richard Mahoney released a thick binder filled with press clippings about the NCC and Harper. "To know the NCC is to know Stephen Harper," said Mahoney. "It's an American-style, anti-government lobby group." Harper was travelling and unable to respond, but Conservative MP James Moore defended his boss. "Paul Martin is engaging in ugly, desperation politics. We're going to advocate new and better ideas for governing in Canada: smaller government, lower taxes and a better health-care system. "We'll push those ideas, but we'll be damned if we let Paul Martin lie to Canadians about what the Conservative party is all about." |
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Gov't user fees unfair, group says Last Updated Fri Jan 8 08:19:51 1999 OTTAWA - Canada's leading business organization has called on Ottawa to review its user fees, calling the present system a government "tax grab." The group released a study yesterday showing large inconsistencies between federal departments that charge user fees for services. CFIB slams fees. The Canadian Federation of Independent Business says business owners support the principle that users pay, but the situation has deteriorated into an outright government tax grab. The coalition is asking Ottawa to adopt an action plan to fix the problem. It wants a moratorium on new or increased fees. |
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CRACK DOWN REALLY HARD ON REDNECK ERUPTIONS. The biggest fear of Conservative strategists is that their best-laid election plans could be blown up by dumb comments from their own candidates during the campaign. They feel that the party's image is uniquely fragile in this respect. Instructing would-be Conservative MPs to avoid inflammatory remarks can't guarantee none of them will break ranks. Potential hot-button topics: abortion (Harper says that as PM he would never hold a referendum on the subject) and homosexual rights (Harper is against gay marriage but that's about as far as his policy goes). He needs to stick to the hard line he took last fall when MP Larry Spencer said homosexuality should be outlawed: Spencer was fired as family values critic of the old Alliance party and had to leave caucus. Should a similar outbreak occur during the election campaign, the same sort of stern justice must be meted out. If Harper flinches, Liberals will exploit public unease about the Conservatives' sizable social-conservative, Christian-right base of support. |
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Tory platform cuts many Alliance planks: Report OTTAWA (CP) � The Conservatives have liberally helped themselves to middle-ground Grit policies in an election platform that focuses on stable health care funding and moderate tax cuts. Elections for vacant Senate seats, tough law-and-order measures and abolition of the $1-billion gun registry are among the only vestiges of former Canadian Alliance and Reform policies, says the document obtained by CBC News. There is no mention of a flat tax, abortion or other morality issues that might have helped the Liberals cast the newly born Tories as extremists. The platform says MPs would be free to vote their consciences on everything but budgets and main estimates. That includes same-sex marriage, which Conservative Leader Stephen Harper personally opposes. He has vowed that the issue would be decided by Parliament � not the Supreme Court of Canada � if he becomes prime minister. Moreover, he has said he'll use the notwithstanding clause to override the Charter of Rights and Freedoms if needed. |
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"The Conservative Party believes that Parliament, not unelected judges, should have the final say on contentious social issues like the definition of marriage," says the platform. It promises to cut tax rates by more than 25 per cent for middle-income Canadians. A taxpayer earning $50,000 a year would save about $1,000 once the plan is fully implemented over four years at a cost of $6.2 billion, the platform says. The Conservatives say they'll fund such initiatives by reining in Liberal spending of $150 billion a year. Those savings would help speed payments on the national debt of $550 billion, but the platform stops short of specifics. http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...d=1084572618463 |
i wish occrider was a Canadian!
Beh, you're complete right about the privitization aspects of Healthcare, and honestly I think that more money is the solution.
However, healthcare is a provincial matter, one that is supposed to be funded equally between the feds and provincial levels of government.
The money has been pooling due to the transfer payment cuts that Martin himself spearheaded all these years... and with their boasts of Federal Surplus while McGuinty is forced to cry poor and tax us to death even more, you got to wonder what the hell is going on with OUR money.
We elect government to organize our society, and distribute it's wealth. It's more than clear that the current Federal Governemnt has failed us terribly, and needs to go.
I am myself very unsure of the conservatives, and hate feeling like I have to raise one party over another simply to show the terrors of the Liberals, which are more than readily apparent.
As for the provincial election, my ire with McGuinty rises with the fact that as former leader of the opposition, he's been railing against the Tories for the past 8 years, run in TWO elections against them, and known full well that there was severe issues with he provinces finances. Had he campaigned as such, instead of "choose Change" I don't think we'd all be fuming.
The public elected Dalton based on his platform, and promises of a better Ontario. He should be joining the other Premiers in the nation and fighting against the Feds to get our money, not taking more from us.
As for my vote comment Beh, I am sincerely sorry, but I spend enough time in debates, that I get a touch irritated when I see demonizing and fear-mongering in political discussion. You do take the time to inform yourself, and nextime post the links first, discussion with intelligent people is rare, especially on the board.
I think a big problem for most people under 35, there isn't a major polical party in this country that represents our financial needs, and hands-off request for our social beliefs. The thing is, in our society, we change social thinking ourselves, the government elect doesn't do it for us, and in a traditionally progressive country such as this, any government we elect will be pressed to ensure those beliefs are protected under the law eventually. It's a long term thing, not something any particualr government will acheive, one I think that may come to completion once our generation starts to take office.
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| Originally posted by ShadoWolf wow you've fallen for all the Liberal propaganda... I feel sorry for you actually |
TA is insanely politically active. I'm learning a few things from this.. keep it up. I might actually make an informed decision when voting 
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| Originally posted by MarkT Is this the part where you t explain to us how the Alliance (because that's what they pretty much are) is truly a forward thinking, "progressive" party who would change Canada for the better for everyone who lives here? |
There's plenty of room at the federal level to increase health spending, cut taxes, and pay down the debt.
There's a lot of fat, plus bribes that the Lieberals pay. Those can be cut out.
For example, the bribes to the ad agencies in Quebec, to Bombardier, regional development programs that don't work, the gun registry that doesn't work.
For the love of Canada, VOTE THE FIBERALS OUT!! 
Ways we can save money and lower taxes:
NO MORE ADSCAMS!
NO MORE "LOSING" 1 BILLION DOLLARS a la HUMAN RESOURCES CANADA
NO MORE 3 BILLION DOLLAR USELESS GUN REGISTRIES
Thats about $4 Billion dollars right there that could have been sent back to tax payers.
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REFORM HEALTH CARE... im not saying user fees or delisting. That is not necissary. What we do need is a private/public partnership in a deal that would see costs go down yet MAINTAIN UNIVERSAL ALL ACCESS HEALTH CARE. It can be done if we are serious about it.
MORE MONEY IS NOT NEEDED FOR HEALTH CARE. WE JUST NEED TO SPEND WHAT WE PUT INTO IT MORE WISELY.
The day we have a frank open discussion about both immigration and health care in this country instead of the typical fear mongering that goes on is the day we have truely matured as a nation.
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 The day we have a frank open discussion about both immigration and health care in this country instead of the typical fear mongering that goes on is the day we have truely matured as a nation. |
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| Originally posted by ShadoWolf I'm not endorsing a party... there are several to choose from. You could also vote for an independant candidate. The point is, avoid the corrupt Lieberals at all costs. |
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| Originally posted by MarkT It's not like the Liberals have become the only party that is "corrupt"...and the word "liars" is getting thrown around a lot...how about how the outgoing Conservatives who blatantly LIED about the state of our deficit and debt? This isn't meant to deflect attention away from any wrongdoing or whatnot, but this high horse the opposition parties are attempting to stand on is absolutely laughable. I'm not trying to persuade anyone...but FFS, don't paint the liberals as suddenly being the spawn of Satan or something. There is corruption at EVERY level of gov't by EVERY party who takes power. Some get caught, some don't. Some are worse than others. To suggest the Liberals are THAT much worse than anyone else is beyond ridiculous. |
the latest figures for the gun registry are over 2 billion.
As for the fear mongering.... left wingers try to paint the picture of a conservative government as the end of the world.
As for health care and immigration. These 2 topics never get any real discussion.
The moment you decry the state of health care and call for reform you get the label of "two tier"
As soon as your decry the state of immigration you get the label "racist"
If we could have frank and open discussions about both topics without fear mongering labels we might actually mature as a society and maybe even fix these broken systems.
ok, well last i checked healthcare gets loads of discussion, well above just simple talk of fees and two tier systems. And, immigration, well what would do you have to say about immigration, i'm open to what you have to say, and I promise I won't call you a racist.
People never talk about it on the political level without the left wing breaking out the two tier scare tactics. Youll see a lot of that when they call the election on sunday. Youll see.
As for immigration..
Either we tell all the young doctors, engineers, teachers etc in other lands that they wont be able to nothing more than clean toilets when they arrive in Canada, change the system, or just stop letting them in.
Why does canada keep letting people in demanding such high degrees only to tell them once they arrive that their degree is not valid here? We need to figure out a way to allow them to upgrade or take equivalency tests.
As for multiculturalsm... ive always said this: bring us your culture but dont take ours away. Anbody who says a manger display or a christmas tree in a public school is "offensive" needs to be sent back to where they came.
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| Originally posted by ShadoWolf I've never read anything more absurd in my life. "A billion here, a billion there, hey it's all relative right?" |
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