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It's a PC way of expressing one's heritage. If they are born in America or attain American citizenship, then they are American. However they still maintain certain cultures and traditions of their ancestry and make the world pay attention to their proper geneologic migration and create silly politically correct contractions like African-American or Asian-American. It's almost like a sense of cultural nationalism.
I wish people would concentrate on how similar they are rather than how differnt.
The world would be a much better place. But I guess it's just human nature. Everyones an individual just like everyone else is. 
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| Originally posted by Shakka It's a PC way of expressing one's heritage. If they are born in America or attain American citizenship, then they are American. However they still maintain certain cultures and traditions of their ancestry and make the world pay attention to their proper geneologic migration and create silly politically correct contractions like African-American or Asian-American. It's almost like a sense of cultural nationalism. |
But see for example in Scotland/Britain you get people who's families are from say India. They call themselfs Scottish/British. Might say of Indian desent. Just as a Scottish person of Polish desent person would say of Polish decent.
The whole African-American thing to me just seems racially deviding. Do you get Scottish-Americans? Maybe after say one generation but not after 10's of them. It's all just based upon appearance and skin colour. Belive me I'm all against PC'ness I recon people should just get along and get on. Stop pissing about we are all humans big shits if our great great great grandad happened to be born on one continent rather than another.
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| Originally posted by TuanAnh213 is it our fault that the rest of america don't recognize Asians in america as being americans, and instead being foreigners? thats why we have the term asian-american whether we like it or not...to emphasize the fact that we are as american as any white guy except we have black hair and brown eyes |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo I have learned something over the years, and it's that other people identify with Asians 200% better if they sound like them. I could go in to specifics why and my own personal experience but I think you may already know what I mean. |
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| Originally posted by imokruok For an ethnic minority, Asians are very well integrated in the US. Come to think of it, the only time that I've ever heard any derogatory comments about Asian ethnicity is when someone's talking about a non-American Asian (i.e. A Chinese person who has difficulty with English, like most of my teaching assistants in undergrad!) Hell, I'm even guilty of comments like that, but it's directed towards their lack of English -- not their ethnicity. One interesting stat that came out of the 2000 census was that nearly 50% of US-born Asian-Americans don't marry other Asian-Americans. A very small percentage marry blacks and hispanics, and the rest marry whites. This suggests that there's very good integration. I forget the exact number of black-white intermarriages, but in contrast, it's low single digits. |
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| Originally posted by imokruok One interesting stat that came out of the 2000 census was that nearly 50% of US-born Asian-Americans don't marry other Asian-Americans. A very small percentage marry blacks and hispanics, and the rest marry whites. This suggests that there's very good integration. I forget the exact number of black-white intermarriages, but in contrast, it's low single digits. |
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| Originally posted by TuanAnh213 just curious...what is the general population of asians in madison wisconsin? |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo This is gonna sound strange, and it's not an attempt to marginalize your argument, but it's the accent. Put simply, asians that sound American are considered American by 99.9% of whitey j/k other Americans. I am half Thai and half Redneck (good redneck) my dad looks like Dabney Coleman and my 100% Thai mother had to learn English on her own. I look like shorty from Raiders of the Lost Ark and speak with a Texas draw. I have learned something over the years, and it's that other people identify with Asians 200% better if they sound like them. I could go in to specifics why and my own personal experience but I think you may already know what I mean. |
We're all gonna be a bunch of mutts eventually anyways. I think as time goes on people will less and less identify themselves as a single race as they become mixed.
For example take me. My mom is pure puerto rican and dad is german/swedish/other random white stuff. That makes me half white and half hispanic. My girlfriend's parents, one is full mexican and the other is a german/something else mix. That makes her half white and hispanic.
Our kids are gonna be puertorican, mexican, german, sweedish, other random white stuff kids and I see this a lot as more and more people have kids outside their races. In time we won't know what to call ourselves.
This is an area I find interesting. I look at America, and sure it's had it's problems with integration, civil rights, etc. But when you look at the bigger picture, it seems to me that America is one of the most diverse countries on the planet, yet Americans are constantly assailed as elitist, intolerant, racist, white, etc. Yet year after year, more people immigrate to the U.S. than probably most other countries in the world. Strikes me as ironic.
Visit a nation like Japan or China, where a white person sticks out like a sore thumb. You don't see the kind of ethnic mixing in many other countries to that level, yet Americans are still viewed by much of the world as a coherent, uniform breed. When was the last time you saw an Israeli Jew marry a Palestinian? Why are Americans murdered when they visit the Middle East yet muslims come to America and can fairly readily integrate into American culture without excessive fear of persecution? Is there not a double standard here?
I've often been of the thought that "Americans" are essentially the bastards of civilization in that it's got that whole "Mixing bowl/melting pot" thing going on. Not that it's a good thing or a bad thing per se, just an observation. Sure, historically, your typical American was probably a "caucasion" of western European descent, but there has been massive immigration from Poland, Africa, Asia, Mexico, Cuba, South America--you name it--in the last century. I wonder how many actually understand what being "American" actually means.
Just some brain droppings on a Wednesday morning.
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| Originally posted by mixinmusic Did you know that "integration" of communities kills 30 languages every day around the world. |
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| Originally posted by Shakka This is an area I find interesting. I look at America, and sure it's had it's problems with integration, civil rights, etc. But when you look at the bigger picture, it seems to me that America is one of the most diverse countries on the planet, yet Americans are constantly assailed as elitist, intolerant, racist, white, etc. Yet year after year, more people immigrate to the U.S. than probably most other countries in the world. Strikes me as ironic. Visit a nation like Japan or China, where a white person sticks out like a sore thumb. You don't see the kind of ethnic mixing in many other countries to that level, yet Americans are still viewed by much of the world as a coherent, uniform breed. When was the last time you saw an Israeli Jew marry a Palestinian? Why are Americans murdered when they visit the Middle East yet muslims come to America and can fairly readily integrate into American culture without excessive fear of persecution? Is there not a double standard here? I've often been of the thought that "Americans" are essentially the bastards of civilization in that it's got that whole "Mixing bowl/melting pot" thing going on. Not that it's a good thing or a bad thing per se, just an observation. Sure, historically, your typical American was probably a "caucasion" of western European descent, but there has been massive immigration from Poland, Africa, Asia, Mexico, Cuba, South America--you name it--in the last century. I wonder how many actually understand what being "American" actually means. Just some brain droppings on a Wednesday morning. |
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| Originally posted by occrider It is rather interesting to see how Europe is so adverse and (shock!) conservative when it comes to immigration. Not only have most 'liberal' European nations, such as the Netherlands or Sweden, been strengthening anti-immigration laws, but they've been resisting immigration from within the EU itself! Despite the recent admission of 10 new member states into the EU, most countries have erected barriers that prevent migrant workers from entering the country from anywhere between 2-7 years. Only two EU countries, Britain and Ireland, will allow citizens from new EU states to migrate freely to live and work. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...15%2Fwasy15.xml |
(although they *may* be comming in a not to far future 
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| Originally posted by Shakka 30 languages per day??? Where is this data point from? That would mean over 10,000 'languages' would be lost every year, and would imply that over 300,000 languages have disappeared during my life alone. That seems highly improbable to me, but if you have a source to back up this claim, I'd love to read it! Also, does that include 'new' languages like Ebonics? |
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| Originally posted by St_Andrew hey don't confuse sweden with denmark! sweden = no stupid imigration laws. (although they *may* be comming in a not to far future )and yeah i agree, this sucks with europe... donno why this is the case tho... people seem really conservative at this point and immigrators have a hard time to com into the labour market which makes many of them poor/criminals which makes some people "hate" them... |
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| Originally posted by mixinmusic Dervish you Identify yourself as Scottish. That to me is a typical way to sideline yourself from the wider English speaking population. How can you sit and identify yourself with a ethnic minority population when you preach about others integrating into the wider society. Although I totally agree you have a right to identify yourself and follow any cultural traits, Its the other bit of your debate about integrating people into the wider community I dont agree with. Did you know that "integration" of communities kills 30 languages every day around the world. Indeed Scottish as a language is one of those endangered languages. Do you wish to see your country loose its herritage? I do not agree with your philosophy that everyone on the planet should integrate and loose their ethinticity. Those who migrate should have to assimilate into their new society for their migration and the practise of multiculturalism will only further erode minority cultures such as Scottish that already being eroded by the globalisation of the world. |
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| Originally posted by occrider Denmark, Sweden, what's the difference . |
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| Anyway my guess as to why there is such a sense of hostility is because they're an easy scapegoat to blame for things that are going wrong. |
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| Originally posted by TuanAnh213 just curious...what is the general population of asians in madison wisconsin? |
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| Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Just FYI, in my highschool in San Jose CA whites were the minority: breakdown: 40% asian 30% white 20% Latino 5% black 5% other I fit in the other category because I'm extremely mixed. |
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| Originally posted by occrider Anyway my guess as to why there is such a sense of hostility is because they're an easy scapegoat to blame for things that are going wrong. |
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| Originally posted by mixinmusic Im trying to work out why its a bad thing.... less diversity less fighting as I see it |
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| Also everyone seams to speak of our ageing population and the soultion being more migrantion but am I mistaken but do migrants themselves not age? How will this solve the problems? |
children does also age, but you would probably consider them as a answer....
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| Originally posted by BadBadNeil We're all gonna be a bunch of mutts eventually anyways. I think as time goes on people will less and less identify themselves as a single race as they become mixed. For example take me. My mom is pure puerto rican and dad is german/swedish/other random white stuff. That makes me half white and half hispanic. My girlfriend's parents, one is full mexican and the other is a german/something else mix. That makes her half white and hispanic. Our kids are gonna be puertorican, mexican, german, sweedish, other random white stuff kids and I see this a lot as more and more people have kids outside their races. In time we won't know what to call ourselves. |
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| Originally posted by mixinmusic Who would you fight with if everyone in your country had the same culture? |
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| The answer is finding a sustainable economic system that does not rely on continued population growth to fuel economic growth. |
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