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Posted by sandstorm03 on May-30-2004 15:25:

the shorter armin plays the better. When he gets into thoes longer 4-6 hour sets he has problems. The problem that i have with armin is that i can walk 3 feet over to my decks and play the exact same set. Yea my mixing isnt as good, but big deal.

Posted by AnAbolic_Fr0liC on May-30-2004 16:21:

Posted by rounder19 on May-30-2004 16:27:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
the shorter armin plays the better. When he gets into thoes longer 4-6 hour sets he has problems. The problem that i have with armin is that i can walk 3 feet over to my decks and play the exact same set. Yea my mixing isnt as good, but big deal.

the shorter the better? maybe if you want a cookie cutter set of anthems.....and thats when i dont get much satisfaction from a set....longer sets make for creativity....and a journey...instead of trying to play all your fave tunes mashed into two hrs......but that is what you going to get on a normal tour date/clubnite in smaller cities where 2-3 hr sets are the norm...i crave extended sets and lucky for me, i live close to a club that can offer them on a regular basis (Space) thats why im always talking about how bad i want to see armin play there instead of other venues in miami.

curious: have you SEEN armin play 4-6 hrs? i have....

Posted by sandstorm03 on May-30-2004 16:50:

quote:
the shorter the better? maybe if you want a cookie cutter set of anthems.....and thats when i dont get much satisfaction from a set....longer sets make for creativity....and a journey...instead of trying to play all your fave tunes mashed into two hrs......but that is what you going to get on a normal tour date/clubnite in smaller cities where 2-3 hr sets are the norm...i crave extended sets and lucky for me, i live close to a club that can offer them on a regular basis (Space) thats why im always talking about how bad i want to see armin play there instead of other venues in miami.

curious: have you SEEN armin play 4-6 hrs? i have....

lol you think i want cookie cutter anthems 100%, well you are wrong. Ive seen 2 5 hour armin sets(nyc), and 2 2-3 hour armin sets(boston). The longer sets have sucked and have been boroing. I wanted to leave after 2-3 hours. Imo armin can not hold energy for 5 hours with the style he plays, because all he does ie play
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a cookie cutter set of anthems.....
, he doesnt vary his sets, he may drop a single house track, or a single prog track, then play of hard track like mark norman. I love 8 hour sets, just not from armin.

This reminds me of another dj that used to/still does only play 2-3 hour sets...hrm who could that be.

Posted by A.J. on May-30-2004 17:06:

Cokenfold???

Posted by sandstorm03 on May-30-2004 17:13:

Since he "started" trance you better get his name right...

Blowkenfold

Posted by Daniel R on May-30-2004 17:15:

take a picture of your shirt, scan it and upload it in a new thread

Posted by on May-30-2004 17:17:

Posted by Verona^My on May-30-2004 17:22:

quote:
Originally posted by ziddy
Yeah, sure he's nice but a little more variation in his sets would make him a little more nice in my opinion

Variation, I only want one kind of music, "good music"... I don't care about no stinkin variation.

Posted by sandstorm03 on May-30-2004 17:35:

quote:
Variation, I only want one kind of music, "good music"... I don't care about no stinkin variation.

i could see armin say that

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I couldn't agree more.. I have like 2 of the 150 ASOT sets.. Armin is a amazing DJ and I will never take that away from him.. I always love what I hear him come out with...

i think the only track that hes playin right now that i cant is that new tech track he made with mike. And I dont think his djing skills are better then any other djs ive seen.

Posted by torontotrance on May-30-2004 17:40:

Cokenfold is right (total cokehead)

Posted by emma on May-30-2004 18:38:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
lol you think i want cookie cutter anthems 100%, well you are wrong. Ive seen 2 5 hour armin sets(nyc), and 2 2-3 hour armin sets(boston). The longer sets have sucked and have been boroing.

I can't imagine that his longer sets are booring ?!?

2 months ago i went to godskitchen for Armin's 9h set.
I was there from the verry beginning till the end and I can tell you I've been dancing all night long!
I prefer Armin to do longer sets, that are the best parties, because you'll hear some classics (for me thats great).

But thats just my opinion ...

Posted by sandstorm03 on May-30-2004 19:15:

quote:
I was there from the verry beginning till the end and I can tell you I've been dancing all night long!
I prefer Armin to do longer sets, that are the best parties, because you'll hear some classics (for me thats great).

well imo 9 hours of strait asot trance is hard to listen to, hey if you like it great , i just dont.

Posted by WhooCares on May-30-2004 20:11:

hes turning into a Dj Sammy Jr....i can sense it with my jedi mind powers!!

i keed

Posted by Cobalt on May-30-2004 20:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Vigilante
YOU ARE ALL TRANCE NERDS

Maybe if you didn't listen to ASOT every week and download all of Armin's sets and all the latest tracks, then you wouldn't be so quick to bash Armin Van Buuren.

Here's an idea: don't listen to ASOT, don't download any more sets, don't download any more tracks and then go see him or any other DJ......you guys seem to forget that a DJ plays for the people in the club, not all the 1337 mp3 kiddies and ASOT nerds who have heard every set that he does and every new track a thousand times.

I seem to remember exactly the same arguments last year about how PVD kept playing the same sets over and over again. DJs play for the people in the club, not the people on the internet.

I think this might apply to some people who criticize Armin, but probably not most. I haven't listened to A State of Trance regularly since the end of 2002. Every couple months I'll tune in to see if there's been any change in the mindnumbing Dutch trance assault, but it has sadly been the same every time I've revisited the show.

Similarly, I don't listen regularly to his livesets, but I give them a chance every so often, as did with his recent Essential Mix. They, too, have remained a relatively flat landscape of weak epic material with no overarching set structure to be heard. Starting with a couple tracks of melodic "McProg" and slopping on Phantom Manor inbetween anthems doesn't count as set variation. Nor does it count as flow.

The endless mega-synth trance that Armin peddles reminds me of some cheap narcotic; every week or two people have to get their fix of uplifting melodies, because their novelty wears off fast. The typical A State of Trance production gets forgotten in a couple weeks, sometimes less. And the trend in both lifespan and quality is down. Armin and his associates are working on borrowed time; if they don't work to diversify their sound and improve quality over quantity, it's all going to come crashing down eventually.

Posted by Cobalt on May-30-2004 20:24:

Also, to comment on something else you said, the complaints against Paul van Dyk that spanned much of last year are different than the ones against Armin. Paul played good tracks and good sets; it's just that he changed out his playlist at a snail's pace. This may have retained the quality of his sets, but Vandit fans who follow his work quickly tired of the repeats, despite their production value.

That's not so with Armin. He changes his tracklist regularly, but he has to because nothing he plays has a lifespan longer than that. The majority of tracks he promotes are thin and empty anthems that have been done a hundred times before, with nothing more than faux-emtional value.

Complaints against Paul regarded his slow tracklist turnover. Complaints against Armin regard the quality of his set material and construction themselves.

Posted by A.J. on May-30-2004 20:44:

touche!

Posted by [N]�k|��[Z] on May-30-2004 21:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
wow, he played some old classics that were guarenteed to get a reaction, and some new tracks that noone knew
thats surely a hallmark of a great DJ
hats off to you sir, you've convinced me!

hahahaha my thoughts exactly

Posted by noikeee on May-30-2004 21:41:

Armin must "save" trance, must be super-creative and is the devil of trance music that must be fighten by everyone

People seem to forget dj's are humans, not robots with supernatural powers that can bring music to a completely new level every day. Yeah, he's overrated, of course he is, all trance dj's are, don't tell me people that keep a crowd happy by playing a bunch of anthems and beatmatching them together should be praised as some sort of gods - even though it's hard to be travelling all the time and such. But why don't we all shut the fuck up and let the guy do whatever he's doing and live his life.

And argh, i had promised myself i'd stay out of these non-sense flame threads, but it's too strong of a temptation

Posted by rounder19 on May-31-2004 08:07:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
lol you think i want cookie cutter anthems 100%, well you are wrong. Ive seen 2 5 hour armin sets(nyc), and 2 2-3 hour armin sets(boston). The longer sets have sucked and have been boroing. I wanted to leave after 2-3 hours. Imo armin can not hold energy for 5 hours with the style he plays, because all he does ie play , he doesnt vary his sets, he may drop a single house track, or a single prog track, then play of hard track like mark norman. I love 8 hour sets, just not from armin.

This reminds me of another dj that used to/still does only play 2-3 hour sets...hrm who could that be.

5 hour sets in nyc? when? i doubt it.....not on no album tours.....3max for armin on those.....keep DL those sets kid

Posted by Ste on May-31-2004 08:52:

wow great, a dj blew off the club, because that never happens...

Posted by ASOT100 on May-31-2004 09:48:

quote:
Originally posted by ziddy
Yeah, sure he's nice but a little more variation in his sets would make him a little more nice in my opinion

maybe if everyone didn't leech all his sets and ASOT you'd think he has more variation

and when a dj plays for a live crowd i'm sure the crowd wants to hear some of his signature tunes and sounds, that's obviously why they went to see him...

ppl (in general) need to stop whining (not directed towards ziddy)

Posted by Jordan Stevens on May-31-2004 11:17:

quote:
Originally posted by ASOT100
maybe if everyone didn't leech all his sets and ASOT you'd think he has more variation

and when a dj plays for a live crowd i'm sure the crowd wants to hear some of his signature tunes and sounds, that's obviously why they went to see him...

ppl (in general) need to stop whining (not directed towards ziddy)

exactly

Posted by on May-31-2004 23:15:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
i think the only track that hes playin right now that i cant is that new tech track he made with mike. And I dont think his djing skills are better then any other djs ive seen.

Sorry.. I should have specified.. I was refering that the Armin 'sets' I come across I enjoy what he spins... most of these sets NOT being ASOT... well maybe they are.. LOL but I don't listen to ASOT so I wouldn't have anything to compare to what he spins on ASOT...

Posted by Aabech on Jun-27-2004 17:55:

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