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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 I admit PvD's flaws, such as usage of Final Scratch a.k.a. mixing mp3's and the whole idea behind baseline.

Not to single you out specifically because many others have the same misconception. Nor am I trying to convince anyone which DJ is better. But, PvD does not need to spin mp3s because he, like Tiesto and Armin, gets CD quality promos long before mp3 release groups get their hands on the tracks. That is not to say PvD has never done it because I know of one time he spun a friend's track on CD in NYC. I doubt PvD knew it was a mp3 however.

About the whole bassline thing... Where do I start with this one...
1. PvD's tracklist has more unedited tracks than edited, reworked, produced tracks combined.
2. Tiesto has trouble mixing his OWN tracks.
3. Tiesto fans saying mixing isn't all that important YET he bring up how "easy" it is for PvD to mix.
4. Having the same or different basslines does not really help mixing. DJs usually switch low frequencies when the bassline of the incoming track kicks in. The hardest thing to do is mixing in key.

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Originally posted by gcrasher Not to get on you too bad but... No way PvD has ever played an MP3 file live.

Isn't final scratch involves mixing Audio files? Enlighten me, if I am wrong...

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Originally posted by ambs dont..... spam....

Useless conversational posts on this thread: 8

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Isn't final scratch involves mixing Audio files? Enlighten me, if I am wrong...

FS plays MP3, WAVE, AIFF, and CD audio.

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I guess I should expand on that. Allows the user to have the feel of vinyl without having to carry vinyl. Basically, you have two special vinyl plates with timecode embedded on the vinyl. As the needle runs through that time code, it's transmitted to FS hub and then onto the laptop. Partnering with Native Instrument's Traktor, Traktor plays the audio file at the corresponding time code and sends that to the mixer.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Isn't final scratch involves mixing Audio files? Enlighten me, if I am wrong...

"I'm a sound freak," he admits - the quality wasn't high enough for him. So Van Dyk stores his tunes as uncompressed AIFF files instead, and for added refinement, he gives every track an extra smoothing for the dance floor. "Everything I play goes through the mastering setup of my studio," he explains, "so everything you hear sounds even better than the original record."

The only thing I was impressed with on Magik Music night was Sander! Tiesto was good, but I wasn't taken on any journeys other than the one up to the terrace.
Also, I hope the hardcore Tiesto backers aren't Oakenfold haters, because you could use that same diversity / mixing different styles with him. IMHO I put Oakey & Tiesto on the same level right now.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Isn't final scratch involves mixing Audio files? Enlighten me, if I am wrong...

yeah, but an MP3 is compressed and of lower quality... so it doesn't rock your chest cavity at space like something of CD quality. Those DJs have HUGE hard drives and a 10min MP3 that takes up 14MB takes up maybe 70 or 80MB. So yeah, mixing audio files but different than MP3. The criticism of MP3 is that they're downloading them, but obviously PvD, Tiesto, Armin, etc aren't hangin out on soulseek lookin for their new choons...

but we digress...

i have to say this because it wasn't finished properly earlier...

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all smell like shit!

Here's the point though.... GET PSYCHED FOR TIESTO!!!!

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Originally posted by Got Trance? I beg to differ Tiesto is better then armin. But avb is hot right now i must say

AvB is about as hot right now as Pat Sharp in a freezer. And Tiesto is the biggest farce to EDM since Puff Daddy.

Grief.

Okay kiddies, Carry on.

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Originally posted by ex-dj IMHO I put Oakey & Tiesto on the same level right now.

hmmm... i'm half way there with you... you make a good point, but not the same level. I saw both during conference... tiesto isn't great, but oakey is one lazy sonofabitch. On numerous tracks he really waited till the very end where it was basically just bassline and mixed new in at very beginning with just bassline. Also, I've never seen anyone have to keep playin with the decks as much as oakey to try and get his beat matched. Time after time you could see him start to want to mix in, but lose it or some shit and have to start over. He also would pick the record up off one deck and put it on the another as if it would be easier using the other deck (maybe it was, i've just never seen anyone doing that there before). Ohhhh & tiesto plays better tracks too.

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Originally posted by DSmalls hmmm... i'm half way there with you... you make a good point, but not the same level. I saw both during conference... tiesto isn't great, but oakey is one lazy sonofabitch. On numerous tracks he really waited till the very end where it was basically just bassline and mixed new in at very beginning with just bassline. Also, I've never seen anyone have to keep playin with the decks as much as oakey to try and get his beat matched. Time after time you could see him start to want to mix in, but lose it or some shit and have to start over. He also would pick the record up off one deck and put it on the another as if it would be easier using the other deck (maybe it was, i've just never seen anyone doing that there before). Ohhhh & tiesto plays better tracks too.

I think both have the talent to mix well but due to whatever reason just plainly don't. At the end of the day, it's not about what you can do but what you have done.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous it's not about what you can do but what you have done.

quite profound... definitely. yeah, anyone who's been doing it that long has to be able to do it pretty well

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Originally posted by Scottaculous I think both have the talent to mix well but due to whatever reason just plainly don't. At the end of the day, it's not about what you can do but what you have done.

Couldn't agree more.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous I think both have the talent to mix well but due to whatever reason just plainly don't. At the end of the day, it's not about what you can do but what you have done.

Well put.

I was there on Magik Musik night @ Space. I have to say Tieso did a great job moving the crowd w/ track selection and because he is Tiesto that's why ppl are going crazy. I had a great time but mixing wise, it really wasn't that great.

If you argue that mixing isn't all that important, what's is point of DJing? Getting the most upfront tracks and just throw it on the CD player/TTs? Anyone could do that if they could get the promos these DJs get

and Diveristy? plz don't tell me PvD and Armin are not diverse in their set

Tiesto definitely had his good times but you really have to admit that he's not as good as he is anymore.

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Originally posted by TranceLuver4evr I was there on Magik Musik night @ Space. I have to say Tieso did a great job moving the crowd w/ track selection and because he is Tiesto that's why ppl are going crazy. I had a great time but mixing wise, it really wasn't that great. If you argue that mixing isn't all that important, what's is point of DJing? Getting the most upfront tracks and just throw it on the CD player/TTs? Anyone could do that if they could get the promos these DJs get and Diveristy? plz don't tell me PvD and Armin are not diverse in their set Tiesto definitely had his good times but you really have to admit that he's not as good as he is anymore.

Good man...Amen

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Originally posted by TranceLuver4evr Tiesto definitely had his good times but you really have to admit that he's not as good as he is anymore.

That is the point I've been trying to prove.

scott i put it in your upload user, on your server. called tiesto.wmv

This argument will go on untill the end.........Who is the better DJ...blah blah blah.....Its all about personal opinion.

some interesting responses, i knew there would be some fiery responses, peoples fave djs are like talking politics, very passionate.... but to everybody ive never said that mixing isnt important, it is, im just saying that tiestos mixing is pretty clean most of the time, and yes it is bad sometimes. ive always admitted that technically pvd and even armin to a point are better, but i think tiesto puts together a better OVERALL set, IMHO. and i think some of you blow his mixing shortcomings WAY out of proportion. and yes i miss the old tiesto of the majik days, but hey, the sound has changed, and i really like his new sound too and the direction he is going, i guess we will have to stay tuned....

scottaculous: you obviously have far greater knowledge on the art of djing than anyone in this forum. your responses have been very educational. i would still argue that having the same bassline has to make his sets run more smoother and more cohesively, but hey im not going to beat a dead horse. but thanks for seminar on the equipment and terminology, etc, very interesting.

ex-dj: please dont compare oakie to tiesto.. tiesto luvs what he does, oakie doesnt. i lost a lot of respect for him at ultra, with the whole puffy fiasco, and he walked out in THE MIDDLE of a set a friend of mine was at in TAMPA, because he said in his words "i wasnt feelin it man". NUFF SAID. and i think oakies mixing is far worse than tiesto. but i will always love his essential mixes, he got me into trance, hes just not what he once was..

3xxr7: hey i dont mean to come off defensive, it just peeves me when people make wanker comments" its like he's taking a piss on vinyl" and gross exagerations" armin is way better". its like comparing kobe and tmac, there both great, ones not way better than the other, they both have there goods and bads. lets just agree to disagree, your entitled to your opinion, im just sick of all this shit about tiestos mixing.

peace everyone.

WHY HASNT ANYONE MENTIONED LASO OR DJ SAMMY!!!!!

OMFGGG Tiesto dramaaa.. a DJ becomes famous and everyone just has to piss all over the guys name. Im glad I dont have a favorite DJ.. I can recall though Dj's that stand out in a moment.. but to be my #1 forever kiss ass DJ lover na.. Armin and Tiesto were both in the epitome of quality trance and releases back in the days.. the only difference is that one of them had the luck and the the productions to concour the English, leading the open doors to the rest of the world.. and one of the more complex.. the US. And there is a reason for that.... Tiesto was one of the FEW trance DJ's that stucked to the name calling TRANCE in times that trance dj's felt embarresed to be labeled as such, for foreseen a rejection fromt he people, in times that people preferred the Progressive Sounds ( therefore making Sasha & Digweed #1 in DJmag ).. yes, Tiesto was the man who forholded the spot and persisted on the sound of trance.. I've seen, heard tiesto from the very beginning.. since he's first big gig ( innecity )... Ive seen Armin, Ferry and all the others come up to their names and flourish.. Ive seen the downfall of Oakey for very obvious reasons.. where Im I heading. Well, Im saying that each DJ has it's flaws, ups and downs, their epitomes.. their downfalls, and risings.

I remember the times when people were all for the music and supported any DJ that stood to the music we all like.. but now that this DJ's are all famous now, it's becoming a pretty much funny politics.

As much as an ass that Oakenfold has become lately, he has my respect for what he has done. And Tiesto.. come on, the dude can rock a crowd, can rule a night. Same goes for PvD, but like I said, they ALL have ups and downs, what DJ doesn't. If I were to talk good DJ sets last year.. I would have said PvD.. this year I say Tiesto and Armin..and for the underrated.. Markus Schulz. But like I said, every DJ has the downs, none is perfect. The only one I could say was perfect for a time.. was Oakenfold in 99-00. I could add to that PvD and Tiesto as well if you listen to their mixes and releases ( Magyk series and Vorsprug Vandit << is that how u spell? ) ..

Hehe.. but Oh well people, keep on pissing on the man, all I gotta say and remind is that he was the DJ that actually fought the sounds in a time that everyone thought that trance was .. DEAD. And look at him now. Hehe .. Makes me grin and laugh.

neal we're sorry we love ya. We will have plenty of tranny's upon your arrival to miami...

facts are facts classic rock owns all...

It's not that mixing isn't important, but at the end of the night what do you remember??? How well he mixed the songs, if they stayed in the same key, if the baseline was perfectly matched? ...or the songs themsleves and how hard those songs rocked your body?!? I think in order to be a great dj, you must be able to mix perfectly, but reading the crowd and playing what needs to be heard is what you will be remembered by, even if that means less then perfect mixing a time or two on stage.

Tiesto and Oakey...? Are you kidding? That made me laugh. That's like comparing Wundervol to Flight 643. hee hee (just kidding Art!)

^^^^Link didn't work.

here is an actual clip I captured at ultra this year.....

should solve this silly debate. haha.

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