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haha dude, theres no need to be looking for excuses

outclassed all the way.

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Originally posted by Plastick Man, wtf is wrong is you altho im not a french

nothing is wrong with me. Almost all the French fans on here are going on about how great Zidane and Barthez were and how they outplayed England. It's absolute crap. It was luck..pure and simple luck. Zidane is a great player and came through when given the opportunity. France did not win this game...England lost it. there is a huge difference.

Bloody hell...you're all acting as if this was the final. If France play like that again, they won't be making anything.

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Originally posted by tubby However you view the rules, david james should have been sent off for his foul. Not only was he last man, it was a very poor challenge. and then england would have been forced to select a goalkeeper capable of catching.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 French = arrogant, cocky fucks who can't admit that they because of good fortune and NOT by outplaying their opponents. No wonder everybody hates the French.

Creating a thread just for complaining about your defeat is certainly the most arrogant thing I've never seen. French wouldn't have done it because we're fair play and able to accept a defeat.

And don't tell me that nobody like French and France. As the official sucker of the USA, England is certainly not much appreciated all over the world.

So don't worry for France, we're able to win trophies, the last one you won was World Cup 1966...

Lytchix rulez

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 It was luck..pure and simple luck.

tell me why our first goal is pure luck...

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Originally posted by tubby However you view the rules, david james should have been sent off for his foul. Not only was he last man, it was a very poor challenge. and then england would have been forced to select a goalkeeper capable of catching.

In Paul Robinson we have a keeper that is more than capable of stepping up in place of James. I have never particularly liked James, but i do not see why people have it in for him at the moment. He made mistakes in the past but lately he has been ok.

Yes James should have been sent. Henry was through on goal and James colided with him, blatent penalty and sending off. It was the last kick of the game so a different keeper would have made no difference really, unless he saved the penalty.

Silvestre should also have been sent off too. When Rooney ran past him he was the last man. Henry was behind the play and only after Rooney was on the floor did Henry arrive in the box next to the play. Thats why the referee didnt send of James, because he just squared it all up.

Let the french gloat all they want. In all fairness, people were saying England would get beat, 3-1, 2-0, etc... and we put on a great tactical display in which every player for 90 mins did their job. Zidane and his creativity did nothing all match until he was able to be at a dead ball situation. Both his free kick and his penalty were unstoppable.

We'll meet you in the final (if you get there! )

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Originally posted by PEZ68 tell me why our first goal is pure luck...

Because Heskey was the man who fouled him and he should not be at Euro 2004!!!!

Heskey is a donkey!!! eyor eyor!!!

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Originally posted by fastmp3 same here mate too bad we saw no hooliganism WTF

You should shut up about what you dont know about

cock off

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Originally posted by Lytchix Creating a thread just for complaining about your defeat is certainly the most arrogant thing I've never seen. French wouldn't have done it because we're fair play and able to accept a defeat. And don't tell me that nobody like French and France. As the official sucker of the USA, England is certainly not much appreciated all over the world. So don't worry for France, we're able to win trophies, the last one you won was World Cup 1966...

What a hypocritical post, you've managed to contradict yourself within the space of a few lines.

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Originally posted by tubby However you view the rules, david james should have been sent off for his foul. Not only was he last man, it was a very poor challenge. and then england would have been forced to select a goalkeeper capable of catching.

Both challenges were red card offences, there's no doubt about that.

Silvestre has said himself he was surprised when he only got a yellow card and said he assumes the referees have been given instructions to be more lenient.

The referee didn't lose us the game, England self-destructed (French fans can't seem to accept this, even though they won), but he certainly impacted on its result.

Fact: both France and England played a crap game.

The difference was England gave the game away with a needless foul, backpass and a missed penalty. They somehow managed to, as the saying goes, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...

It says a lot about the game when all the goals and clear chances were from dead-ball situations...

I enjoyed it personally, lots of drama, tension and an ending to boot...

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Originally posted by TiestoFanMatt Because Heskey was the man who fouled him and he should not be at Euro 2004!!!! Heskey is a donkey!!! eyor eyor!!!

Anyway he's been chosen, so 2 possibilities:
- you don't have any best player than this donkey at this place...
- your coach is an idiot.

The fact is that most of the posts I've read here or there are complaints and tries to find any excuse to explain this or that. We dominated all the match, we had a lot of problems with your excellent compact defence which blocked our numerous attacks, you scored a nice goal and succeeded in keeping the result for 90mn. The referee has nothing to do in Zidane's free kick, as Silvestre didn't help during the action, and as his expulsion wouldn't have changed anything to the motivation of our attacks. And our penalty was as fair as Beckham's one.

We have been able to keep a strong mind during all the game, and a bit of luck, which is a component of most sports. So I understand you're disappointed, but you should be fair play and not try to kick our team like most of you do. Take example on guys like Ian^ or Coup who have been perfectly fair-play after the results, despite their disappointment. And don't forget: that's just football, that doesn't deserve personal insults.

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Originally posted by Shito Anyway he's been chosen, so 2 possibilities: - you don't have any best player than this donkey at this place... - your coach is an idiot. The fact is that most of the posts I've read here or there are complaints and tries to find any excuse to explain this or that. We dominated all the match, we had a lot of problems with your excellent compact defence which blocked our numerous attacks, you scored a nice goal and succeeded in keeping the result for 90mn. The referee has nothing to do in Zidane's free kick, as Silvestre didn't help during the action, and as his expulsion wouldn't have changed anything to the motivation of our attacks. And our penalty was as fair as Beckham's one. We have been able to keep a strong mind during all the game, and a bit of luck, which is a component of most sports. So I understand you're disappointed, but you should be fair play and not try to kick our team like most of you do. Take example on guys like Ian^ or Coup who have been perfectly fair-play after the results, despite their disappointment. And don't forget: that's just football, that doesn't deserve personal insults.

second that.

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Originally stated by Sven Goran Eriksson We played extremely well against the world's best football team.

In what sense is this match related to the 2002 World Cup quarterfinals in which Brazil defeated England (2:1), apart from the score?

That's the last match England played against the world's best football team (Brazil: 5 World Cups - including the last one). France's got Europe's best squad and it can be compared to Brazil's team, but that quote is a wee bit exagerated (sp?). Based on what did he say it? (Regional titles don't count)

This discussion is fun though... reminds me of our neighbours (poor Argentinians, tsk, tsk, tsk ).

why r u looking to blame over people for england screwing up the match
1\ France played better in the second half
2\ Beckham missed a penalty
3\ Heskey gave away a stupid free kick to let france score
4\ david james had poor positioning for the free kick
and finally
5\ gerrard totally screwed up to hand france a penalty

so stop trying to blame other people like the ref england screwed up big time and thats final

Eat your fucking loss and stop crying about it.

and yes I hate the english team they're a bunch of malicious 'wankers'
same goes to the supporters. EAT IT! +2 FOR ZIDANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I began this thread to highlight my displeasure at a crucial turning point of a heated and controversial game of football. Nobody has laid blame solely at the referee, many factors contributed to the final result but I saw the penalty incident as the most crucial and controversial in the game, the turning point and therefore worth discussing on a sports discussion forum. It seems some people have completely missed the point and taken the opportunity to resort to insults before telling others to behave graciously in defeat, which is pretty hypocritical.

I don't believe France won the game, rather I believe England lost it, if you get what I mean. We self-destructed in spectacular style. I find it ironic that some French people are calling on us to "accept defeat", to be gracious and respectful of our opponents, yet fail to do the same! Perhaps England fans wouldn't behave so hostile if they weren't faced with such pathetic hypocrisy and pretentiousness. As I stated in my first post, I'm not overly concerned with who 'deserved' the win, England and France on the day were two very evenly matched teams who struggled to break each other down. Some of the French gloat of how their side "completely dominated" the game, and insist English people "accept" this was the case. Well I'm sorry to piss on your bonfire but England gave a very good account of themselves limiting France to just one chance in 90 minutes of open play and I will discuss the nature of our defeats just like I discuss our victories. You can call that "crying", "whinging", "excuses", call it what you want, I've come here to discuss the game not hide under pretentious bullshit and chivalry.

/me gives the english a spliff.... smoke it up buddy, a loss is a loss

(harmless joke )

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Originally posted by r e z /me gives the english a spliff.... smoke it up buddy, a loss is a loss (harmless joke )

I expect the dealers in Portugal are doing good business

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Originally posted by PEZ68 tell me why our first goal is pure luck...

luck because Heskey was stupid enough to make an aggressive challenge from behind. You got a call from the ref, the French players didn't break through the English defence. As I said, as much as it pains me, the English players COLLAPSED and lost the game for themselves.

England got owned!

Merci Zizou, vive la France !

Thread Closed.

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Originally posted by Nautilus England got owned! Merci Zizou, vive la France ! Thread Closed.

you obviously don't know the game well if you think England got "owned". Have you ever played it or watched football in the US? oh wait...they call it soccer down there.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 luck because Heskey was stupid enough to make an aggressive challenge from behind. You got a call from the ref, the French players didn't break through the English defence. As I said, as much as it pains me, the English players COLLAPSED and lost the game for themselves.

whys that lucky? heskey gave away a free kick and zidane superbly finished it i dont call that luck i call it stupidity on heskeys behalf

The keeper and wall setup for Zidane's freekick was terible, the free kick was hardly top corner, it was nearer the centre of the goal. As Schmeichel analysed afterwards, in those situations you're supposed to trust your wall to cover one half of the goal and you the keeper cover the other. If he puts it over your wall to your opposite post there's nothing you can do about that, it's the chance you take. James arranged it this way, but then before the kick drifted back over into the very centre of his goal leaving the whole right side exposed. Zidane saw a big gap in the wall, he whipped in a quick shot and it was 1-1.



You can see the severe gap in the wall here, and also look at the keeper's positioning behind, Zidane had half an empty goal to aim at it was awful defending of a free-kick.

As for Heskey's challenge, we've come to expect this sort of thing from him. Everybody was holding their breath when he came on just waiting for a mistake to happen, he's such an error prone player. I can't believe Heskey is in the England squad while the likes of Beattie, Smith and Ameobi aren't.

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