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Originally posted by aspergian "Live PA", as you sagely refer to beats and beeps, is something to this day which is on the whole rare in electronic music because of its very nature. As it is crafted in a studio, often employing step-time programming as opposed to real-time performance, not a lot can usually be done unless an artist is creative enough to go beyond merely "recreating" tunes and to throw in lots of new surprises. Notice how more than a handful of the big electronic music producers are famed for live concerts (as in the non-DJ sense), such as Orbital (who are unfortunately retiring) and I don't know if Liam will be touring as Prodigy again, but he has quite a colorful history too. [/b]

Thanks for the feedback, i really am in the dark with what im talking about. I've just started to become interested in how things like that are preformed live.

Im probably looking much further ahead than i should be. I'm just thinking that people will become less interested with the current state of EDM, so for it to stay popular it would have to change. I guess thats one direction it could take. Who knows though by the time the way EDM is preformed live starts to change by any great amount people may have already lost thier interest in EDM But who knows, maybe decades from now people will be paying hundreds of dollars to see pvd dj on a system built into the wheelchair he would then need to get around in. Then again pvd would probably be just as happy djing on a PDA if he could

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Originally posted by LiQuiD_FuSioN Are there brand new electronica releases readily on CD? No.

No, but probably 90% of promo's are.

And this is one reason I welcome our new CD overlords. Back in the day, DJ's like PvD, Sasha, Diggers, etc were so amazing because they had records you'd sell a testicle for, tunes that no one else had. Promo copies were worth their weight in gold, since they cost a lot to order, press and ship out - thus usually only the bigger jocks got the hottest promo tracks.

But with CDR thats all changed. Any kid in his bedroom with the next big thing can burn a million copies and flood the world with them. That not only means that there will be loads more of fresh, unheard of artists and tracks to choose from, but also that the big jocks will need to get creative and really work to keep riding the crest. Guys like Zabiela are already leading the way.

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Pure CD DJing = It sounds absurd really.. Where's the magic in mixing? Anyone can put together a compilation of mp3s and just sit back.

Uhh yeah they can... But someone can also just bring a $20 dollar walkman, pop in a mix CD and plug the headphone out jack into the big sound system and have a rave right there. Sure, someone could show up for a gig and do this, but it doesn't mean they do. They'd be thrown out. Clearly, you are completely ignorant of what these CD decks are capable of, otherwise you'd realize that the creative potential you'd get playing on 3 CDJ-1000's blows any vinyl setup out of the water. Go to any DJ shop and read the specs and abilities of the CDJ-1000, then re-think your argument.

Re: Bud.....

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Originally posted by Sumit_A Bud...Pioneer DVJ is not for mixing Music.....its for playing around with Videos...yeah sounds insane....go check it out. Cheers.

Incorrect. It does everything that the CDJ-1000 does, except also with video. It can be used only for music if you so desire, since it also plays regular CD's and I'm quite certain you can burn DVD's of music. At the very worst, get a simple video editing program and splice in a wav of a track and put it on top of a blank screen for the length of the song, and burn the video like that.

You're welcome, beats and beeps!

I'm not worried because I've seen this sort of thing happen time and time again. It happened with analog vs. digital synthesizers too, and hey... isn't house music supposed to be disco's revenge or something? It's really redundant to me by this point, so I'm like "meh, whatever". General rule is: if there's aversion to something being done, specifically involving electronic music, odds are it'll be done to much success. As is said, it's simply a question of "WHEN?"

Then a backlash, then the next wave. Speaking of wave, now might be the time to mention nu-new wave, aka electroclash, aka tech-pop, aka a lot of other names. Some of the more exciting performing artists have come out of that realm in the last few years, such as Fischerspooner, whom you may have heard of. Live shows may have to have some sort of engaging visual aspect, be it band antics or some amazing sort of computer-generated TrippyVision (TM).

But really, I know there will always be people with a lot of enthusiasm and energy who put a lot into EDM and keep things going. I have faith in the future.

I encourage you to continue pursuing your interest -- there are so many amazing things to enjoy!!

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Originally posted by nrjizer But with CDR thats all changed. Any kid in his bedroom with the next big thing can burn a million copies and flood the world with them. That not only means that there will be loads more of fresh, unheard of artists and tracks to choose from, but also that the big jocks will need to get creative and really work to keep riding the crest. Guys like Zabiela are already leading the way.

I agree. It's kewl paradigm shifts do force adaptation, although it is often a gradual changeover instead of some sudden "everyone woke up one day, realized, and switched!" scare. Dinosaurs died out because they couldn't invent spacecraft to fly far, far away

Of course, double-edged swords by necessity have... uh... two sides. So, with this flood of music comes much frustration. Some people call it "digging through the crap to find the gold nuggets" but I wouldn't put it like that myself. But for sure, there'll be saturation by extension, and it gets confusing at times unless you really know where things are at and totally have a keen intuition for giving out and getting back like Zabiela clearly does. Some sort of funky synergy, I tells ya.

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Uhh yeah they can... But someone can also just bring a $20 dollar walkman, pop in a mix CD and plug the headphone out jack into the big sound system and have a rave right there. Sure, someone could show up for a gig and do this, but it doesn't mean they do. They'd be thrown out. Clearly, you are completely ignorant of what these CD decks are capable of, otherwise you'd realize that the creative potential you'd get playing on 3 CDJ-1000's blows any vinyl setup out of the water. Go to any DJ shop and read the specs and abilities of the CDJ-1000, then re-think your argument.

A lot of stuff looks HILARIOUSLY easy on paper. But to practice what one preaches is, of course, considerably more difficult. And beyond reading the specs, try it out and see if it works for you. If not, you can always go back to your traditional turntables. Or Final Scratch. Or the plethora of computer-assisted DJing software out there. Plenty of choices. But the main thing is: at least you tried something out, learned something new, and hopefully had some damn fun in the process.

^^ well my point is just generally that there is far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far more that can be done with an all CD setup (of GOOD CDJ's mind you, like cdj-1k's or those denons) than just playing a mix of mp3's (a $20 walkman can do that) or just mixing 2 channels together (old cdj-100s can do that, so can $30 traktor software and of course standard vinyl setups)

Indeed.

And crafty individuals tend to exploit uses in such sonicmechanical devices not originally envisioned by the manufacturer.

The scratch trick that Zabiela does is not stock -- I found it rather ingenious

Re: Bud.....

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Originally posted by Sumit_A Bud...Pioneer DVJ is not for mixing Music.....its for playing around with Videos...yeah sounds insane....go check it out. Cheers.

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Haha this argument comes up all the time

Personally I love the fact that I can play great unreleased stuff out from producer friends months before their release date on vinyl. My CDJ is the most useful thing I've ever bought - so much that I'm picking up a 2nd one today.

It's not about which media you use to mix (vinyl or legit cd-r - NOT mp3), it's what you do with it

Re: Re: Bud.....

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Originally posted by montie both

My Bad.

Hell yeah!

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Originally posted by nrjizer You are completely ignorant of what these CD decks are capable of, otherwise you'd realize that the creative potential you'd get playing on 3 CDJ-1000's blows any vinyl setup out of the water. Go to any DJ shop and read the specs and abilities of the CDJ-1000, then re-think your argument.

+1

3XCDJ100'S + FX Processor and a Dedicated Sampler....Max!!

And an accordion slung around your neck if you're really into one-(wo)man-banding!

Hey, they even have a techno accordion:

http://www.roland.com/products/en/FR-7/

Ain't that dope?

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Originally posted by aspergian The scratch trick that Zabiela does is not stock -- I found it rather ingenious

Ya, I love the sound it makes. And I think I know how he does it. Man I really want a CDJ bad!

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Originally posted by aspergian And an accordion slung around your neck if you're really into one-(wo)man-banding! Hey, they even have a techno accordion: http://www.roland.com/products/en/FR-7/ Ain't that dope?

Until every underground track is released on CD, or on a different physical format if CDs go out in the future, and if artists or labels put up good quality (WAV file or anything better than mp3) tunes to buy for downloading, then vinyl will still be there. But I don�t like the idea of DJs spinning of software on laptops, its got to be physical. I guess Final Scratch is about the extreme, then it�s like what�s the point anyone can click a mouse button.

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Originally posted by Nell your talking shit: new CD single/maxis are readily availble to the UK people

you have posted that pic a thousand times now

^ w3rd @ TranceMuzik02

Ok.. is someone kind enough to show me where I can find numerous amounts of brand new trance singles on CD?

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Originally posted by LiQuiD_FuSioN Ok.. is someone kind enough to show me where I can find numerous amounts of brand new trance singles on CD?

move to the UK or Holland.

I sure hope not, maybe there will be a day when most famous DJs will stop using vinyl but I don't think vinyl will die out, BTW do not switch over to CDs, don't you fucking dare, don't even think about it

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