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Originally posted by Simcut DHHD are a Hardstyle act. Uberdruck are german hard trance

I still maintain that they are German Hard Techno

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Originally posted by Lotus You're an idiot.

I also used to think hard trance was awesome, when i was in my immature teen years, but when you mature you begin to appreciate songs that possess beauty and bliss, and musical skill rather than how much mindless noise/energy they have.Take a listen to Chicanes Far From The Maddening Crowds, Cosmic Gate etc couldn't produce that kind of harmonious soul-touching music if their life depended on it.

I don't see how ppl can stand those silly kicks that sound kitchen utensils hitting each other, and those dodgy basslines..

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Originally posted by teknoking when you mature you begin to appreciate songs that possess beauty and bliss, and musical skill rather than how much mindless noise/energy they have.

Maybe you did, but did it ever occur to your fascist mind that other people might have different tastes? Beauty and bliss is fine in some situations, but sometimes hard music is what is needed. Stop being so bloody narrow-minded thinking that because it doesn't fit your tastes it's suddenly a disgrace to music.

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Originally posted by teknoking I also used to think hard trance was awesome, when i was in my immature teen years, but when you mature you begin to appreciate songs that possess beauty and bliss, and musical skill rather than how much mindless noise/energy they have.Take a listen to Chicanes Far From The Maddening Crowds, Cosmic Gate etc couldn't produce that kind of harmonious soul-touching music if their life depended on it. I don't see how ppl can stand those silly kicks that sound kitchen utensils hitting each other, and those dodgy basslines..

But producers such as Cosmic Gate are not trying to make music that touch people's souls. They make music for people to dance to.. how is that a disgrace to electronic 'dance' music?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Maybe you did, but did it ever occur to your fascist mind that other people might have different tastes? Beauty and bliss is fine in some situations, but sometimes hard music is what is needed. Stop being so bloody narrow-minded thinking that because it doesn't fit your tastes it's suddenly a disgrace to music.

agreed

comparing chicane and cosmic gate is like comparing apples and oranges. And i must say i like both artists equally as well.. it just depends on my mood

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Originally posted by Tranceguy1 Hell yeah - "Are Am Eye" by Commander Tom started hard trance Look into: Commander Tom, Nuclear Hyde, Captain Tinrib, OD404, Karim.... Hard Trance at its best...

The UK and European Hard Trance scene is totally stale now. I used to love it. Tinrib, Weirdo, BK, TDV, and 0d404 made sum phat tunes. Karim was always a bit shit tho . As of late Tidy have removed ne credibility the scene once had. Other labels like Vicious r still bringing out sum tunes, but with HardHouse incorporating more and more techno influences, id rather just listen to straightup Techno.
As For the European scene, the Departure of S.H.O.K.K has weakened the genre and the only real Hard Trance artists i have listened to lately is A*S*Y*S.

Past Yearz Hardtrance
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Interstate
Mega Lo Mania
Exit EEE
Cocooma
Nuclear Hyde
Framic
DJ Ricci & Moratto
Hitch Hiker & J. Dumondt (NO, HE'S NOT DUMONDE)
DJ Yanny & Paragod (back then when they were in Fog Area Productions)
DJ Jo
Nostrum
DJ Crack
Plug & Play
Ramirez
Revil O
John '00' Fleming (Yea he was one of the master of hardtrance back then)
Gary D (Another master of hardtrance back then, now involved in hardstyle)
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Nowadays Hardtrance
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DJ Jam-X & Dominki De Leon
Cosmic Gate
Dave 202 & Phil Green
Future Breeze Vs Junkfood Junkies (er.. hard to explain)
Mat Silver & Tony Burt
DJ Scot PRoject
Hennes & Cold
Kai Tracid
Hypetraxx
ASYS
DJ Sakin & Torsten Stenzel
Yakooza
DJ Wag
DJ Overdog (he's currently into hardstyle)
YOMC
DJ Arne ILL & Mirko Milano
Russenmafia
Schwarze Puppen
Michael Fusseder
Aquaplex
Junk Project
DJ Luca Antolini
DJ Sequenza
Walt & Feliz
Druckteknik
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Hardtrance Wannabe (Partially Hardtrance and Hardstyle)
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Trance Generators (The Beginning of Hardtrance to Hardstyle)
Lorenzo De Preti (Skam, Digital Gureillas, Tweetwoof...bla bla bla a Mix of Y4k hardtrance and hardstyle)
Warmduscher (Same as TG)
Mass In Orbit Team
DJ Tom-X
Virus Inc.
DJ Shoko & Groundzero DJ Team
Jendrick De Ruvo & La Cargo
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OTHERS (WHICH ALWAYS GETS MISTAKEN AS HARDTRANCE)
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DJ Choci & The Geezer
Lee Haslam
Guyver
Andreas Kramer (YEA He does hardtrance but under the name of JUnk Project & Aquaplex but his original part was Acidtechno and HE IS NOT ANDREAS KREMER FOR CRYING OUT LOUD)
Uberdruck Boys (The Crow, Shredda & Ludvigh, Bonito & Julio are a no no to hardtrance nor hardstyle. They have a very unique way of putting their masterpieace)
Sven-R-G & Bass T (aka Rocco & Sebastian are somehow mistaken as hardtrance by some loosers out there)
Stee Wee Bee (Another victim...)
Yoji Biomehanika
Stimulant DJs
Roosta
DJ Taylor & Flow (dot dot dot....)
Aquagen (Bullshit music)
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Pure H.A.R.D.S.T.Y.L.E.
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Technoboy (DJ Gius, K-Traxx, Tuneboy,...etc. This guy has tonnes of hardstyle alias)
DJ Stardust
Indurro
Sam Punk
Blutonium Boy (Dirk aka Session One is his "Trance" project)
The KGBs
DHHD
Lady Dana
Deepack (formally known as Frank-E & Mars-L)
DJ Zany
DJ Pavo
Smurref
Beholder & Balistic
Julian DJ & David Sonar
KAT
DJ Isaac
Supermacho May
A-Lusion
Le Brisc
DJ Activator
DJ Vortex & Arpa Dream
J.i.m.m.y. The Sound
Sisma DJ
Zenith

Michael Fusseder and Walt are hardstyle.

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"Icesotope" OTHERS (WHICH ALWAYS GETS MISTAKEN AS HARDTRANCE) ------------------------ Lee Haslam Guyver Stimulant DJs Roosta

Funny how you mention these guys as mistaken hard trance producers. They do produce Hard Trance tracks, after all. Producer/DJ's can have more than one style.

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Originally posted by Polak what would you say about a ""group"" called DHHD?

dont laugh but DHHD are considered techno hardstyle .. not a true genre just involves less cheese elements of normal hardstyle.. tends to be a bit tougher.. DHHD are my sorta hardstyle really, and luna being my fave hardstyle DJ [hoo funnily enough is DHHD ]

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Originally posted by Icesotope Past Yearz Hardtrance ---------------------- Interstate Mega Lo Mania Exit EEE Cocooma Nuclear Hyde Framic DJ Ricci & Moratto Hitch Hiker & J. Dumondt (NO, HE'S NOT DUMONDE) DJ Yanny & Paragod (back then when they were in Fog Area Productions) DJ Jo Nostrum DJ Crack Plug & Play Ramirez Revil O John '00' Fleming (Yea he was one of the master of hardtrance back then) Gary D (Another master of hardtrance back then, now involved in hardstyle) --------------------- Nowadays Hardtrance --------------------- DJ Jam-X & Dominki De Leon Cosmic Gate Dave 202 & Phil Green Future Breeze Vs Junkfood Junkies (er.. hard to explain) Mat Silver & Tony Burt DJ Scot PRoject Hennes & Cold Kai Tracid Hypetraxx ASYS DJ Sakin & Torsten Stenzel Yakooza DJ Wag DJ Overdog (he's currently into hardstyle) YOMC DJ Arne ILL & Mirko Milano Russenmafia Schwarze Puppen Michael Fusseder Aquaplex Junk Project DJ Luca Antolini DJ Sequenza Walt & Feliz Druckteknik ----------------------- Hardtrance Wannabe (Partially Hardtrance and Hardstyle) ------------------------ Trance Generators (The Beginning of Hardtrance to Hardstyle) Lorenzo De Preti (Skam, Digital Gureillas, Tweetwoof...bla bla bla a Mix of Y4k hardtrance and hardstyle) Warmduscher (Same as TG) Mass In Orbit Team DJ Tom-X Virus Inc. DJ Shoko & Groundzero DJ Team Jendrick De Ruvo & La Cargo ----------------------- OTHERS (WHICH ALWAYS GETS MISTAKEN AS HARDTRANCE) ------------------------ DJ Choci & The Geezer Lee Haslam Guyver Andreas Kramer (YEA He does hardtrance but under the name of JUnk Project & Aquaplex but his original part was Acidtechno and HE IS NOT ANDREAS KREMER FOR CRYING OUT LOUD) Uberdruck Boys (The Crow, Shredda & Ludvigh, Bonito & Julio are a no no to hardtrance nor hardstyle. They have a very unique way of putting their masterpieace) Sven-R-G & Bass T (aka Rocco & Sebastian are somehow mistaken as hardtrance by some loosers out there) Stee Wee Bee (Another victim...) Yoji Biomehanika Stimulant DJs Roosta DJ Taylor & Flow (dot dot dot....) Aquagen (Bullshit music) ------------------------- Pure H.A.R.D.S.T.Y.L.E. --------------------------- Technoboy (DJ Gius, K-Traxx, Tuneboy,...etc. This guy has tonnes of hardstyle alias) DJ Stardust Indurro Sam Punk Blutonium Boy (Dirk aka Session One is his "Trance" project) The KGBs DHHD Lady Dana Deepack (formally known as Frank-E & Mars-L) DJ Zany DJ Pavo Smurref Beholder & Balistic Julian DJ & David Sonar KAT DJ Isaac Supermacho May A-Lusion Le Brisc DJ Activator DJ Vortex & Arpa Dream J.i.m.m.y. The Sound Sisma DJ Zenith

mint, cheers mate, you sed exactly what i wanted to say but i couldnt be arsed

and system-j i kinda agree with what your saying.. apart from uk hard trance being harder.. yeah it may be faster, but UK stuff is very tacky in my opinion, i can listen to it yeah,,., but i just dont feel it as much as german stuff.. and by german stuff i dont mean like dumonde/cosmic gate etc etc... i mean stuff by the artists usually miss in the german scene that you dont know of unless you are actually into it. i.e a lot of the artists icesotope mentioned in the past years and now a days ht section of his comment

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Lee Haslam is an amazing hard trance producer, but a lot of ignorant bastards on this forum will swear that he is hard house.

ur the ignorant bastards for thinking he is hard trance

^^ uhhhh, he's both. I mentioned it earlier that he's both. I didn't classify him as HT only.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Here's my definition: Hard trance comes in two flavours, European and UK hard trance. European hard trance puts the emphasis on the "trance", while UK hard trance puts the emphasis on the "hard". European hard trance is like most epic or anthem trance, but the kick is harder and bassier, and the bassline is tougher. The BPM is higher and there tends to be harder sounds instead of uplifting sounds. UK hard trance is essentially hard house but with more melody, and more trancy synths instead of hard house synths. Hardstyle is different to hard trance- I personally reckon it's closer to hardcore than anything. It has very harsh kicks and the snare drums tend to have a rough sound. There's also "bouncy" and saw effects in there, and the lead doesn't have much hook to it. There are a lot of cheesier hardcore elements as well- like daft vocals.

but thats a spot on description mate well done

Er... are you agreeing or disagreeing with me then?

We can have this Shitty Debate whether an Artist is this 'Genre' or 'That' Genre. But IMO Lee Haslam and Artists like Guyver, do not make Hard House.

Typical Hard House:
Eufex & Jay B - Vacuum Packed
Karim - Clean & Heavy
Paul Maddox - Tension
Paul Glazby & Trauma - Fuck em all
Paul Glazy - Hostile (Nick Sentience Mix)
Ian M - Crazy Pills
Scott Cooper & Ali Wilson - Disease (Paul Maddox Remix)
Equinox - Tradesman
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Have a listen to those and then Play something like Jx - Restless (Guyver Mix), or Lee Haslam - Music is The Drug. There is a Noticeable difference. The best term to use for these artists is 'UK Hard Trance'.

Indeed. There are also artists like BK and the Organ Donars that do a wide variety of styles, which include hard trance. The Organ Donars make things even more confusing by doing two versions of some tracks. They did a hard house version of Locked Tight, and a trance version called Locked Trance. They did the same with Rhythms Divine- the trance mix was called Rhythms Divine (Trance Intoxication), while the hard house was Rhythms Divine (Pound Your Senses).

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Er... are you agreeing or disagreeing with me then?

first post was taking the piss and second post was agreeing. so although i dont like uk hard trance at all i am agreeing with you.

all in the name of fun

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Maybe you did, but did it ever occur to your fascist mind that other people might have different tastes? Beauty and bliss is fine in some situations, but sometimes hard music is what is needed. Stop being so bloody narrow-minded thinking that because it doesn't fit your tastes it's suddenly a disgrace to music.

yeh i guess you're right

Hm, Tekno, I don't wanna start a flamewar (again) but... if you don't like hard, monotonous music... then why is your name TEKNOking? :P

Speaking of hard trance, I just got the new ID&T Hard Trance series release. (The 2004 edition.) It's damn cool. Jesselyn - Tonka owns me hard.

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Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z] dont laugh but DHHD are considered techno hardstyle .. not a true genre just involves less cheese elements of normal hardstyle.. tends to be a bit tougher.. DHHD are my sorta hardstyle really, and luna being my fave hardstyle DJ [hoo funnily enough is DHHD ]

I second that.

what about trance generators especially tracks like:


the dancefloor (klasic and sanders rmx) - thats one of my favourites


connected - thats one of my favourites tracks

wildstyle generation

never in danger

for me its hardstyle, but some of their tracks sounds like hard trance

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Originally posted by Polak what about trance generators especially tracks like: the dancefloor (klasic and sanders rmx) - thats one of my favourites connected - thats one of my favourites tracks wildstyle generation never in danger for me its hardstyle, but some of their tracks sounds like hard trance

I think the same could be said about Derb - remixes and original productions alike, I just love their sound but I don't quite know how to define it.

I believe that many hard trance tracks have a hardstyle influence. Some have less or no hardstyle influence (dumonde, cosmic gate). Or theres some hard trance artists with a fair bit of hardstyle influence, but maybe not enough to be considered 'hardstyle' (like scott project, hennes & cold, maybe derb) and then theres pure hardstyle (Lady Dana, Luna, etc).
Warmduscher, perhaps even Derb and similar artists id say would fit pretty much straight in the middle and contain a heavy influence of both hard trance and hardstyle.

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Originally posted by Icesotope --------------------- Nowadays Hardtrance --------------------- DJ Jam-X & Dominki De Leon DJ Sakin & Torsten Stenzel ----------------------- OTHERS (WHICH ALWAYS GETS MISTAKEN AS HARDTRANCE) ------------------------ Yoji Biomehanika

Wrong. Jam-X & DeLeon were not and are NOT hardtrance. And, Sakin & Stenzel are hardtrance? You're out of your mind. Yoji is hardstyle.

p.s. Some of your comments in that post neither are necessary nor are required.

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