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Nah I'm talking about which will be better, not more popular.

Doom looks great...... however the game is fairly scripted.

IE. dark room here, monster hidden there...


Stalker gives you absolute freedom.

The area is HUGE, and multiplayer would be crazy being able to trade with others and team up in clans etc.

None of this "deathmatch" bullshit.

*sigh* at this thread

You're just glad petey doesn't have internet at home

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ROBERT DUFFY and DOOM 3 on HARDWARE THREAD I saw these comments attributed to Robert Duffy on a website... 1. 6800 is a tad faster than X800 cards. Both run it in full glory 2. The game has four render paths: NV10, NV20, R200, and ARB2. All paths look awesome, even down to a g4mx, but the ARB2 path is the "full package," and is used for the R300+ and Geforce FX+ cards. It does all it's fancy **** in one pass. 3. PCI Express enhances NOTHING. 4. The difference between a 128mb and 256mb card is that the former uses compressed textures whereas the latter only compresses diffuse and specualr maps. In another words, no big deal. However, a 500mb card is needed to run the game in Ultra Quality mode. 5. 512MB is the ideal system total memory. 384 is required, 1GB is nice, but the difference is negligible. 6. Nothing special is included for a 64-bit OS. 7. A 1.5 Ghz processor is the least recommended, but a 2Ghz and above will help since... 8...The sound engine is entirely CPU dependant. Therefore a crappy soundcard works flawlessly. Not to worry, the enfine only uses a "small percentage of cycles, much less than if the engine relied on a soundcard. 9. The only reccommendation regarding faster framerates is to disable to "advanced special effects option." In other words, upgrade if you have problems. 10. They tie it up by providing three levels of "Doom lovin' PC's" Low-End: 1.5GhzP4 or equivalent 512MB Ram Geforce4 Ti 4800 or Radeon 9500 Mid-Range: 2.4GhzP4 or equivalent 1GB RAM Geforce5950 or Radeon 9800 Pro/XT High_End: Aka Hardware that doesn't exist, but best guess anyway 3.4GhzP4 or AMD equivalent 2GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra or Radeon X800 XT PE. In conclusion, the game will run well on a variety of hardware, and Rob Duffy, the lead programmer, says that the game looks real good no matter what, and that it will continue to look better as hardware improves. Like all previous id engines, we'll be playing games based on D3 for another five years down the road. Enjoy everybody! I have a couple of thoughts and comments about this: 1. that part about "5. 512MB is the ideal system total memory. 384 is required, 1GB is nice, but the difference is negligible." conflicts with the specs for the low-end system: "Low-End: 512MB Ram Mid-Range: 1GB RAM High_End: 2GB RAM" Shouldn't 384mb be the low end? And if the difference between 512mb and 1gb is negligible, why go to 2GB? 2. This part about "1. 6800 is a tad faster than X800 cards. Both run it in full glory"... Is that with or Without AA switched on? I wonder if 800x600 with 4x FSAA is better than 1024x768 without the use of AA.

Where abouts does everyone fit in? I've got the exact mid range system, i guess ill play it, then replay it in a year or 2 when I get a new box. I bought this one july last year (for doom 3 and hl2, thanks id and valve) so I wont be upgrading for a year or so, unless of course i find a lot of money on the side of the road.

Maybe if you stop spending your money on cddjs and what not, you would have some moeny to upgrade you machine! :P

i've got my system ready for some doom lovin, and now my wallet is paying for it.

but i don't give a flying fuck, because i have been waiting for this game so god damn long now!!!

the alpha ran pretty damn well on my old system, which had a geforce 3 in it...

so i'd be surprised to how much tweaking it takes me to get the game looking and running sweet too

i really can't wait for this, my linux box NEEDS this game.

i think my geforce2 400 would die trying to play this game

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Originally posted by Casey My dad has turned into a full GED and he gets like 6 free copies of HL:2 when they are realised Nerds rock!

6 free copies?!



Wow, arent you lucky?

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Originally posted by escee Where abouts does everyone fit in? I've got the exact mid range system, i guess ill play it, then replay it in a year or 2 when I get a new box. I bought this one july last year (for doom 3 and hl2, thanks id and valve) so I wont be upgrading for a year or so, unless of course i find a lot of money on the side of the road.

i have about a third of the low-end system...
my dad was thinking about getting a new pc after he does his tax so maybe there is still hope after all

my celery @ 1.1 n geforce mx 440 will unfortunatly NOT run this game

I think my new pc should run it
I'm putting this together in a few weeks.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Especially on cpu/motherboard.

Also the doom3 alpha demo ran fine on the 9600xt apparently.


Motherboard...
Gigabyte GA-8IG1000MK (Micro P4 i865)

CPU...
Intel Pentium 4 3.0E GHz (Prescott 0.09u 1Mb Cache)

Memory...
2x 512mb PC3200 DDR400 (Samsung)

External Sound Card...
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 NX (USB) [With Remote]

7200rpm IDE Hard Disk Drive...
2x 200gb Seagate 8m SATA

Video Card...
Sapphire ATI 256mb 9600XT DVI

IDE CD/DVD Re-Writer...
Sony DRU700 8x Dual Layer

Mousey & Keyboard...
Logitech Cordless MX Duo

ATX Case with Power Supply...
Thermaltake XaserV WinGo V7000D Blue Case (400W PSU)

Monitor...
19' LG 900b

Speakers...
Logitech Z-680 5.1 Surround (500W, THX/Dolby/DTS)

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Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie 7200rpm IDE Hard Disk Drive... 2x 200gb Seagate 8m SATA

Nice. I desperately needed a bigger hard drive. That is a nice setup you have there. You are making me jealous..

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Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie I think my new pc should run it I'm putting this together in a few weeks. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Especially on cpu/motherboard. Also the doom3 alpha demo ran fine on the 9600xt apparently.

I would buy a less expensive processor, the p4 Extreme Edition range is pretty poor imo. Intel just trying to distract from the "We lost the 64bit" race.

With money you save on the processor, get a better video card.

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Originally posted by escee I would buy a less expensive processor, the p4 Extreme Edition range is pretty poor imo. Intel just trying to distract from the "We lost the 64bit" race. With money you save on the processor, get a better video card.

the 3.0E is the prescott core, with 1mb L2 cache and is made with 90nm process technology, compared to the 130nm of the Extreme Edition (which is only available in 3.2-3.4ghz). the EE also comes with 512kb L2 cache (not 1mb) but has 2mb of L3 cache.

the 3.0E (~$350) compared to the 3.2EE (~$1400) has about a $1000 difference in price!

i would advise you get a different motherboard (unless you really need a microform mobo). if you're getting a prescott core cpu, you should be looking at getting a motherboard with either the i925X, i915G or i915P chipset.

once you get your sony dru-700A, flash it using liteon firmware (the drives are identical, both made by liteon but rebadged by sony). liteon's latest firmware in user testing has shown better media support & burn quality aswell as allowing for bitsetting (also know as setting the booktype).

everything else looks pretty sweet!

Flashing the dru sounds like a good idea matt, cheers.

Might change the motherboard too.
And maybe get an athlon64 instead of intel

meh, will give revised specs on sunday.

thanks for the feedback, I want this to be a beast.

best chip for games and general use is AMD 64 3200+ - 3400+. These two are awesome for games and check/read any review on the internet as they speak for themselves.

Best motherboard for AMD 64 for reliability is Gigabyte K8NNXP (Nvidia) or K8VNXP(VIA chipset)...both around the same money ~$250

For Pentium the best motherboard for reliability etc. would have to be the Gigabyte 8KNXP as it's fully loaded with all options as well as 6phase power module addon.

Stay away from all prescott as they are not any faster than standard core pentium 4 and this has been proven. Even the new 520 - 550 range of intel processors aren't much to get excited over and offer very little performance boost. PCI-express is great on paper but the speed benefit is a little way off yet and lacking support. In terms of video card, well, it's a tough one. X800pro should see you through a few game evolutions as games like far cry demand power! The 9600XT aint going to give you great framerates if you're turning the resolution up with all detail.

Well these are my thoughts, i've seen this stuff come and i've seen it go. IT's a tough one as the best technology usually costs plenty of $$$

ALSO: there is a specific revision of Sapphire x800 pro cards that can be flashed to x800XT PE cards. You need to check the revision of the GPU and the memory to make sure it's compatible. It will open the extra 4 pipelines and boost GPU core and memory frequency speeds. 20% increase for zip. enjoy peeps.


Chris Pana

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Originally posted by matt.h the 3.0E is the prescott core, with 1mb L2 cache and is made with 90nm process technology, compared to the 130nm of the Extreme Edition (which is only available in 3.2-3.4ghz). the EE also comes with 512kb L2 cache (not 1mb) but has 2mb of L3 cache. the 3.0E (~$350) compared to the 3.2EE (~$1400) has about a $1000 difference in price!

me = pwned
I thought the E meant extreme edition, i stand corrected.

Edit:
Looks like im trouble

HardOCP Doom 3 Benchmarks.
http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQy

from that review looks like 6800ultra is the card to get

Getting a powercolour radeon 9800xt for ~$360

I can always upgrade in 6 months or so

how many more days left until doom is released? PLE still cheapest shop?

anyone into HL2?

about time some good games come out, World of Warcraft as well intresting to see what this one turns out to be.

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Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie Getting a powercolour radeon 9800xt for ~$360 I can always upgrade in 6 months or so

a bit OT but i love your sig duncan!!! haha its gold

OMG!!

Another 3d shooter in tunnels against poor ai!


But teh lighting!!

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Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie Getting a powercolour radeon 9800xt for ~$360 I can always upgrade in 6 months or so

isnt that a $590 vid card? u know somewhere, or ive got cards mixed up?

could be second-hand.

or maybe he's mixing up the 9800XT with a 9800 Pro or a 9600XT (albeit an expensive one).

would u reckon its better to buy a mid range card - say a 9600xt and upgrade it in a year or so, or go for a high end - 9800xt / x800 pro and have it for a couple to a few?

video cards seem to still be changing heaps...

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