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I'll elaborate then. Every kind of style is Techno, it is just sub categorized. The differences between all the types is actually not very different. Some are faster, some are slower, some have more layers, some have simple beats. I just think it would be weird if someone asked me what my favorite type is between the two when IMO the question should be "What is my favorite betwen Trance and Progressive?". That way every style gets individual recognition.

This makes sense to me. I use "techno" as a general umbrella term for the whole "EDM tree" too. After all, these are TECHNOlogically-based forms of music.

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Originally posted by trance_n_dance you name it, i listen to it trance, techno, house, happy hardcore, progressive, breaks rap, hip hop, r&b, dancehall, reggae rock, punk, metal, alternative, emo, retro

yerrr that's the way!! everything except for country & western crap!

This thread should be how superior techtrance is over country & western. Hey, I might just invent a new style of music called Country-trance (thinks back on cotton-eye-joe & cringes & then vomits) ....sheezzzzz

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Originally posted by tu_face so what do you call techno..? i am confused with your theory, as none of the techno in my record box is trance, house, jungle, prog, or breaks... its techno!

Tu, we have a little bit of n00b confusion, see, some stupid twats that don't listen to any kind of EDM at all and then hear a track like Darude or Lasgo or some shit like that they go "oh, I hate that techno" when in reality it's just cheese and they have not the slightest idea about EDM genres, now this guy, knows about some EDM genres like Trance, House, Jungle etc. but he still thinks that Techno is the large genre that holds Trance, House, Jungle, Ambient etc. when he has no clue that it's a separate genre on it's own, that is completely different.

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Originally posted by TechnoSpeed I'll elaborate then. Every kind of style is Techno, it is just sub categorized. The differences between all the types is actually not very different. Some are faster, some are slower, some have more layers, some have simple beats. I just think it would be weird if someone asked me what my favorite type is between the two when IMO the question should be "What is my favorite betwen Trance and Progressive?". That way every style gets individual recognition.

I know I might be a prick for saying this, I just can't hold back, please stop posting and do some research, sorry just had to let that out

http://www.ishkur.com/music/

PROBLEM SOLVED.

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Originally posted by Radagast http://www.ishkur.com/music/ PROBLEM SOLVED.

LOL!
I'm thinking we need an AI bot to get on TA and round up some queries... no one as malicious as HAL 9000 though (or that intelligence that took over Carter).

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chesco
Don't get me wrong some trance tunes still get me excited, james holden, luke chable,
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james holden...luke chable....TRANCE?!?!?!?!??!

wtf

this is really confusing

anyways
glad to see that im not the only one wo got really away from trance

nothing really interesting is produced in trance tracks these days

i like techno a lot
tech-house...house.
prog

anything that sounds good to my ears

but when i listen to trance now i feel like my ears are getting filled by melted cheese

i think that techno is good for a banging nite at the club, trance is great, but we need to get alot of fresh tunes dropped for me to take it for a long time @ a dance event, if you really wanna jam, i suggest anything katana or marco v, there stuff is always full of that techy sound, always full of energy

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Originally posted by j@y [QUOTE]Originally posted by chesco Don't get me wrong some trance tunes still get me excited, james holden, luke chable, [QUOTE] james holden...luke chable....TRANCE?!?!?!?!??! wtf this is really confusing

Tbh, I just class anything with melody trance now, but I class it as good trance or bad trance - i'm not to clued up on all the trance genres.

I don't have any problems with techno... as long as I don't have to listen to any.

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Originally posted by TechnoSpeed I'll elaborate then. Every kind of style is Techno, it is just sub categorized. The differences between all the types is actually not very different. Some are faster, some are slower, some have more layers, some have simple beats. I just think it would be weird if someone asked me what my favorite type is between the two when IMO the question should be "What is my favorite betwen Trance and Progressive?". That way every style gets individual recognition.

except techno..??

nonononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononono.

i think you are confusing the term "techno" for the term "electronic dance music".

every style is NOT techno. trance is not techno. yes, it has its roots in techno, as it does house music. but it certainly isn't techno.

please go and listen to the following dj's:

valentino kanzyani
michel de hey
jeff mills
chris liebing
umek
richie hawtin

these people are techno dj's. they do not play trance, breaks, prog, or any other genre within EDM, unless it is a fully techno'd version of that genre (see case study: breakno (yes, i have invented this genre's name as it seems to be popping up a lot recently ), tech-trance/trancey techno (yes there is a difference in my books).

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Originally posted by tu_face except techno..?? nonononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononono. i think you are confusing the term "techno" for the term "electronic dance music".

hehe don't worry many ppl confuse the term techno, it's a shame but...

Again, depends what works for you.

I, for the record, am fine with "techno" being additionally used to describe the whole spectrum of Electronic Dance Music. It's an AND thing, not an OR thing. If you look in the meta tags and other search categorization terms of dance websites, you will see the interlinkage. This is not a misnomer -- it may be an impasse of terminology at times, but what can we say that really makes simple sense? Well, we can say this:

"Techno" can refer BOTH to the pantheon of EDM and a more specific style which is sometimes linked to geographic areas. And for bonus beats, let's use another analogy: you may contain the genetic material of your parents, but you are not your parents -- you are the next generation, quite literally.

TECHNO music is made based on TECHNOlogical principles. On TECHNOlogical devices. And sometimes, it's even made by TECHNOcrats. The Tofflers foresaw things like this in idea pools fermented around TECHNO rebels. And the greats, Kraftwerk, had much to say in their philosophy, including a whole generational continuum of TECHNOlogy being used in popular music, or TECHNO-pop for short. For reference, here are some choice lyrics of theirs:


Music non stop, techno-pop
Music non stop, techno-pop
Synthetic electronic sounds
Industrial rhythms all around

Music non stop, techno-pop

Synthetic electronic sounds
Industrial rhythms all around

Music non stop, techno-pop

[Spanish] La musica ideas portara (=Music will bring new ideas)
y siempre continuara (=and will continue forever)
Sonido electronico (=Electronic sound)
Decibel sintetico (=Synthetic dB)

(excerpted from: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/Kraftwerk/ecafe-e.html )


I can additionally refer to the wise words of techno pioneer Juan Atkins, who tells it like it is:


What is Techno?

"Music that sounds like technology."


There is, of course, plenty of room for discussion. But I don't mind. I just don't think EDM should experience limiting when expansion would in fact be a sager long-term approach. There are enough troubles to worry about already such as the RAVE Act and infighting between styles (i.e. people who are into drum 'n' bass who hate tranceaddicts and vice-versa). The great unifiers that bond us together will connect us all for a better, brighter future involving this TECHNOlogically-based music!

One man's green is another woman's orchard mist, after all

tu_face: as for "breakno", I very much like the sound of that and will add it to my vocabulary. Let's use it some more.

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Originally posted by aspergian Again, depends what works for you. I, for the record, am fine with "techno" being additionally used to describe the whole spectrum of Electronic Dance Music. It's an AND thing, not an OR thing. If you look in the meta tags and other search categorization terms of dance websites, you will see the interlinkage. This is not a misnomer -- it may be an impasse of terminology at times, but what can we say that really makes simple sense? Well, we can say this: "Techno" can refer BOTH to the pantheon of EDM and a more specific style which is sometimes linked to geographic areas. And for bonus beats, let's use another analogy: you may contain the genetic material of your parents, but you are not your parents -- you are the next generation, quite literally. TECHNO music is made based on TECHNOlogical principles. On TECHNOlogical devices. And sometimes, it's even made by TECHNOcrats. The Tofflers foresaw things like this in idea pools fermented around TECHNO rebels. And the greats, Kraftwerk, had much to say in their philosophy, including a whole generational continuum of TECHNOlogy being used in popular music, or TECHNO-pop for short. For reference, here are some choice lyrics of theirs: Music non stop, techno-pop Music non stop, techno-pop Synthetic electronic sounds Industrial rhythms all around Music non stop, techno-pop Synthetic electronic sounds Industrial rhythms all around Music non stop, techno-pop [Spanish] La musica ideas portara (=Music will bring new ideas) y siempre continuara (=and will continue forever) Sonido electronico (=Electronic sound) Decibel sintetico (=Synthetic dB) (excerpted from: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/Kraftwerk/ecafe-e.html ) I can additionally refer to the wise words of techno pioneer Juan Atkins, who tells it like it is: What is Techno? "Music that sounds like technology." There is, of course, plenty of room for discussion. But I don't mind. I just don't think EDM should experience limiting when expansion would in fact be a sager long-term approach. There are enough troubles to worry about already such as the RAVE Act and infighting between styles (i.e. people who are into drum 'n' bass who hate tranceaddicts and vice-versa). The great unifiers that bond us together will connect us all for a better, brighter future involving this TECHNOlogically-based music! One man's green is another woman's orchard mist, after all tu_face: as for "breakno", I very much like the sound of that and will add it to my vocabulary. Let's use it some more.

I have to disagree with you, if we are going to say that an all encapacitating genre exists, it would have to be a term such as technology based music TBM maybe eh? hah, that was the first to spring up, that is the genre which every genre sprung from, techno was soon after, but techno is very distinct, It bugs me when everyone calls everything techno, the term EDM or Electronic Music needs to be utilized, because there are cases where symphonies are utilized, and EDM is hard because not all electronic music is made for dancing, Downtempo or ambient for example, or powernoise, or speedcore, all over genres exist that are simply expressions and comprise the abstract art branch of music in the electronic sense. Techno is one of the longest running genres, but it is a specific genre, it has its own sound and style, I love techno, but classifying all music under it doesnt seem logical, it only would add to confusion, I mean how do you feel when someone calls an acid techno song trance? cause In my region we introduced trance to the kids for their first EDM genre and they figure everything is trance, which is funny cause now adays none of us who spun trance even listen to it anymore so the people thought all this new stuff was trance when it was many different things. All in all I see no problem with the existant large genres that encapacitate the sub genres, Techno, House, Breaks, IDM, Downtempo, Trance, hardcore, and Jungle, and Progressive. People that arent extremely heavily into the music needn't go passed those, but the differences between those genres is quite distinct and easily enough explained with a few audio samples, the bpms, styles, and elements of each of those genres are greatly defined.


Techo heads get to be elitists, at least in the eyes of trance fans, once you get into techno you usually begin to appreciate effort put into music more and song construction aspects alot more, and that is when you realise how poor quality trance often is.

In techno there are no hoovers, emphasis is placed on all aspects of the music not just on the lead synths, trance doesnt even place much emphasis on the bassline of the tracks, Lately i have been subjected to a few trance sets and i must say it has gotten worse since i left it. In trance tracks I notice minimal use of filtering, neglegant percussion loops, horrible recycled basslines, extreme over use of hoovers (this was not the case in the 90's) as of late the synthesizer selection in a variety of trance songs is a fucking joke. Psytrance and Goa are probably one of the few innovative areas still existant in the over commercialized genre.

Presently I spin tech house, Techno, Progressive, and the occasional breaks track. I can't stand even listening to trance for very long. I more recently saw ferry corsten and PVD, now ferry I always enjoyed, he is an exception to the trance genre, although he seems to be producing more and more electro tracks hah, he was a fun guy to see but more because i think he is a great person and wanted to support him, PVD followed him and wow, Ferry i could stomach but if PVD hadn't dropped a few techno tracks I woulda probably walked out on him like all my friends did, I've heard PVD do some excelent sets, other times totally tripe this time it was a so so, except he ended with TOOL yuck, he couldn't of thrown on an old track could he, still one of his. Either way donald glaude created more energy than both of them did, Adam Freeland packed the friggen house and after ferry got off alot of people exited hah. Ferry is awesome though still got a lot of respect for the guy and would see him again, PVD only if other acts were before or after him to draw me there. Trance did have its days of glory for me, but like many people after i got way more into the electronic music scene as a whole, trance was quite bland and lackluster, in addition i find it to be one of the poorer types of music for dancing, how do you dance to a minute long hoover flood with a 0/0 beat? As i got more into DJing trance first became an unpractical genre to spin for a club sense, nowadays my ear is very attuned to electronic music and contents of music, I annalyze fully all aspects of the track from a standpoint of quite a few levels, filtration is important, and balanced filters, over use is as bad as no use, creativity in percussion, not the same 5 loops for half the song, basslines, this is probably one of the big things that can make a song shine (avus real for example, picotto - verdi, the list goes on) synthesizer selection and implementation, All electronic genres utilize synthesizers, techno can have very intricate melodies tossed over a track but the melody is the least of the concerns, as it should be, the lead melody is not what you are dancing to, it is a semi important layer that requires much varyation, then of course there are many back ground synths tossed in, this adds the variety and uniqueness to a track, there are thousands and thousands upon thousands of synths out there, and with sampling unique percussion is attainable as well (aphex twins early works utilized him banging on pots and pans which he tweaked and tossed into tracks) that is the kind of things a great majority of todays trance producers do not do, I have sampled and dabbled in so many types of EDM from acid jazz, to expirimental powernoise (very little in the powernoise hah, heard a few tracks of this and read alot about what it is about) i enjoy Downtempo, IDM, House, Breaks, Progressive, Techno the most, but I also hear jungle tracks i don't mind either, and trance dating 01 and before I don't mind or enjoy, IE: Rapid Eye - Circa Forever (Rapid Eye Remix), cafe del mar (not the marco V mix hah) and the tracks from even before that. it is my oppinion that as your knowledge of electronic music grows you are likely to branch away from trance, and possibly never return, I know i will never again feel how i used to for it, but I find even greater pleasures in other music types these days, also as your exposure grows what you once called trance you realise actually is not trance at all, i know many people with a lower knowledge of what seperates trance and techno mistake techno trakcs for trance and other genres as well,

I am not trying to troll, or flame, just stating pretty truthful comments about all EDM, now yes there are genres that require way less talent acrossed the board IE hardcore, very little skill is involved in any aspect of this music including HHC (I don't even consider this music, just annoying noise) But the reason techno heads probably seem snobby is because there music is more elaborate, and thus they look down upon trance, If you want to witness the distaste for trance people get after a very prolonged and well versed knowledge in music hop to the discogs forum and ask them what they think of trance haha, www.discogs.com, some of the most hardcore flames you'll ever see in your life come from there, IDM junkies, House Addicts, and Techno Heads, all dispise trance there haha, and rightfully so some have been spinning house and acid jazz since before trance existed (yes over 20 years hah) I don't discourage anyone from listening to trance, many people do for a while and love it, but I hope this kinda clarifys the "elitism" as it appears to many trance addicts that many people into other genres seem to hold. For me it is all about the groovin rhythm, and a bit of spice if you will, i love tracks with that salsa feel, trance just doesn't really embody those, even the trance I enjoyed hah.

All in all, trance is a great place to get your feet wet in EDM, It is humble beginings for many but there is so much out there, don't be suprised if you venture from it in a few years hah.

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Originally posted by Nou Dig, I never knew you posted on here When you gunna be up north again? I agree with you too on some points, but it all depends on what people are playing, there are quite a few good tracks out/coming out that is good trance, but like any genre (or anything) crap > then good stuff. Trance though has definitly turned in a new direction compared to what was going on in the late 90's I know that most of the records that I have from then dont play very well in the same set as newer stuff. I dont know if its just less work on producers part or what, but older 99 and that era of trance seemed to be alot more full. *EDIT* wow I havnt checked out the discogs forums for a while, but they seem to flame anything on their... techno included.

True true, Trance just has so much cheese, There is plenty of shitty progressive as well, but there are quite a few off breeds of house and techno that cheese is more of a rarity hah, if at all present,

As for discogs it is a warzone yes haha, but they all unite in their hatred for trance hah

i like both.

it just depends on my mood... when im feeling one or the other i simply just at it!

btw fast techno songs are dangerously fun while driving

Hey DJDigDug! Thanks, I appreciate your extensive opinion and understanding more about your perspective.

I have quirky tastes, but an ear to the popular as well. I come from a strange place... and I come from a world of classical music snobs too. No one is telling me that Ferry Corsten and BT are the same in the trance arena, but I recognize them both for being luminaries in their own unique ways. Also, I do not relate to some of the oft-cited divisiveness present, but perhaps that is because I am autistic.

Good topic, guys. Keep it up.

definitely love both!!... I absolutely love hearing both being dropped in the same set....but still prefer Trance over Techno.

heh

TECHNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As :
Chris Liebing,Dj Rush, Umek, Adam Beyer

saw adam beyer for the first time this weekend (well, 2nd time, just last time it was 7am and i was in no state to use my ears constructively) and he was fantastic!

the strange thing is, he actually looks like i would imagine techno to look like if it was a person.

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Originally posted by tu_face the strange thing is, he actually looks like i would imagine techno to look like if it was a person.

he's a cyborg?

I see your points. Using the term "Techno to describe this genre is my way of explaining it to people who have no idea about any of the types of techno. I would not try to explain the differences and the styles to someone who does not know anything about the music. The word techno is obviously derived from technology, thus explaining all the maechanical-like sounds you can hear (lasers, beeps, etc). That is nowhere near the same as trance r any other style. So I would not say that it is an umbrella to call it all Techo, but it is much easier to just let people call it Techno and be done with it. I agree with DjDigDug, it is much harder to make a quality Techno sound without sound cheesy, like some kind of Nintendo game. The other styles seem to be able to flow and mix easier, but thenagain I am not a DJ so I am probably wrong about that.

Trance all the way.

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