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Oakey was never the best mixer, but he used to rock the crowds, and that is probably the same for Tiesto, a lot of people, you might call them mindless, but probably more purists is the better word will enjoy the 'enthusiasm' they show.

Others like a lot of people here see past that & expect technical brilliance all the time, It's not a lot to ask I know, but you could get too much on that side, and take a guy like Zabiela who technically I rate as one of the best, but trackwise he makes me want to cut off my balls with a rusty 50 pence coin.

Think for a minute, Forget DJ Lists, popularity bullshit, every dj is different in their own way, and there are thousands of DJs who've been in the business for years without any of the big publicity, who are twice as talented as the ones who get the main headlines. DJ Sy is a great DJ/Scratcher but since he's spun hardcore for years, no1 will appreciate that, DJ Hype & Andy C are great D&B DJs but again their styles won't be appreciated by everyone. Mark EG has the energy of Tiesto x about 20 times, and plays weird sets, and got me into a lot of the trancey sounds in the late 90s, but he's never had the full superstar treatment guys like Tiesto take for granted.

I believe it's time that people just got off the back of DJs, if you find armin boring or Schulz the master of mcprog, tiesto an assclown, or think ferry spins too much of his own stuff lately (mainly cos a lot of other stuff sucks ) Just spare a moment for the guys who yes, get paid shitloads, but have been doing it for years, and in many cases started out doing it cos they loved it, djing, producing, and spare a thought for them when we're in an age of people who download a software and expect to make a track and be signed within months. All this does is pollute the airwaves with sub-standard crap which if some DJs play it, will never give us artists who technically wipe their ass on about 30 of this 'new wave' of producers... like Oliver Lieb for a prime example, He did things ahead of it's time, he's produced many styles, and done it all exquisitely. Maybe it will happen in time, but I doubt for example Airbase or Thomas Datt or Envio or Endre will ever be able to accomplish in their careers what he has in his.

Respect where it's due, but I do believe there are too many 'fish in the pond' as far as productions go anyway atm, sure theres real talented guys, Espen Gulbrandsen (Recluse etc) is one who springs to mind, Phynn is amazingly talented, and Factoria is another who technically spends ages on tracks & writes good melodies, but they will be relatively unnoticed if so many people make tracks just to get signed rather than cos they have the talent that guys like ferry armin etc did at their age.

disclaimer - if that doesn't make sense in writing, it does in my head, and im tired

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Originally posted by Ian^ I believe it's time that people just got off the back of DJs, if you find armin boring or Schulz the master of mcprog, tiesto an assclown, or think ferry spins too much of his own stuff lately (mainly cos a lot of other stuff sucks ) Just spare a moment for the guys who yes, get paid shitloads, but have been doing it for years, and in many cases started out doing it cos they loved it, djing, producing, and spare a thought for them when we're in an age of people who download a software and expect to make a track and be signed within months. All this does is pollute the airwaves with sub-standard crap which if some DJs play it, will never give us artists who technically wipe their ass on about 30 of this 'new wave' of producers... like Oliver Lieb for a prime example, He did things ahead of it's time, he's produced many styles, and done it all exquisitely. Maybe it will happen in time, but I doubt for example Airbase or Thomas Datt or Envio or Endre will ever be able to accomplish in their careers what he has in his.

*bows to you*

Very, very, very well said.

chears ian that saved me having a rant....

and in defence for oaky he is more intresting to go see than alot of other dj's due to his croud interaction. alot of dj's stand mix then go home without even noticing there is a crowd in front of them.

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Originally posted by Gordy hey, DIP SHIT, if u read what i put, then maybe, and just maybe (assuming u really can read) u will realize i put nothing of what makes a good DJ. so ur entire comment, was a waist of time. im just saying people didnt get big by being bad producers/djs. also the comment was more along the lines of a joke than it was serious. but seriously, i appreciate your input oh wait no, no i dont

That was a witty retort, full marks for your attempt at humour, but you're comment was clearly a shot at the people that were expressing their opinions on what Dj's should call it a carreer, so let's not pretend like it was a joke.

Your comment indicated that we, fans of EDM, don't have a right to comment on what DJ's should stop, because we don't have a tour schedule like they do. If you'd like a reminder of what you said you can find it on page 3 of this thread:

to all u people saying all this, i have just one question, could you possibly PM me the next time ur going to be touring so that i might catch you? or maybe you could PM the name of your last mix cd or artists album.

thx ahead

So again, thanks for your input on the subject you ass.

Definitely agree with your thoughts on "new" trance producers, Ian.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Definitely agree with your thoughts on "new" trance producers, Ian.

i agree too. i'm still waiting for that next real producer. i mean yeah a couple of these people are jumping a good tune or two...but most aren't gonna have the presence that an airwave, and oliver lieb, or any of the other top producers have had...especially oliver lieb. i mean the man is so damn versital...and he's been doing it for a DECADE...the talent he has is just amazing.

THAT my friends is what's missing at the moment. everyone is making there little one of two tracks, but no one is stepping up to replace the big boys production wise. i would say that the closest anyone is coming to that would be probably like Luke Chable and in the future...Derek Howell, but they got the prog sound going on...no one is around to step up and replace the trance producers.

if above and beyond are the future...then we're all doomed

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Originally posted by Floorfiller if above and beyond are the future...then we're all doomed

Sad but true...

I think serious progressive trance will eventually come back. It's just a matter of how long a wait.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Sad but true... I think serious progressive trance will eventually come back. It's just a matter of how long a wait.

yeah hopefully. i really wish someone would come up who could make that old prog house oakie sasha sound...i wish that person was me hehehe...but i don't have skills hehehe

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Originally posted by Floorfiller yeah hopefully. i really wish someone would come up who could make that old prog house oakie sasha sound...i wish that person was me hehehe...but i don't have skills hehehe

I'd really love to try production. I experimented with some software, and have some good ideas, but if I were to seriously produce I would want to work with hardware. I don't have the time, money, or equipment at present to do that. But eventually I'm going to, one way or another.

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Originally posted by Cobalt I'd really love to try production. I experimented with some software, and have some good ideas, but if I were to seriously produce I would want to work with hardware. I don't have the time, money, or equipment at present to do that. But eventually I'm going to, one way or another.

exact same situation hehe...plus i suck at making the sound that i want

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Originally posted by Floorfiller exact same situation hehe...plus i suck at making the sound that i want

I kinda work with what sounds I end up with. I have a rough idea of what I want to go for, but the technology also has a say in what you get. It's almost collaborative, in that way.

I get frustrated when some people post "well if you don't like what's coming out, make it yourself!" Gah, yeah, pay my bills, buy me some synths and I'd be happy to!

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Originally posted by Cobalt I kinda work with what sounds I end up with. I have a rough idea of what I want to go for, but the technology also has a say in what you get. It's almost collaborative, in that way. I get frustrated when some people post "well if you don't like what's coming out, make it yourself!" Gah, yeah, pay my bills, buy me some synths and I'd be happy to!

omg put me in Oliver Lieb's studio and have him teach me whats up...good things would happen hehehehe

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Originally posted by Floorfiller omg put me in Oliver Lieb's studio and have him teach me whats up...good things would happen hehehehe

Yes!

DJ Tiesto
Marcus Schultz
Gabriel & Dresden

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Originally posted by Cobalt Definitely agree with your thoughts on "new" trance producers, Ian.

I just worry what will happen with Lieb barely producing now, Tiesto well past his better days of the late 90s/early 00-01 years, Ferry experimenting more, Armin losing 10x the class production wise he had before the end of 2002, Push/M.I.K.E. seemingly slipping downhill and L-Vee ripping off xpander several times more, as to what we will have to hear in maybe 5 years time. Obviously I don't mind who produces it, as long as it is good & Innovative, and atm I find a lot to be stale & far from the quality of production we used to get from the names i've mentioned above.

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Originally posted by Ian^ Respect where it's due, but I do believe there are too many 'fish in the pond' as far as productions go anyway atm, sure theres real talented guys, Espen Gulbrandsen (Recluse etc) is one who springs to mind, Phynn is amazingly talented, and Factoria is another who technically spends ages on tracks & writes good melodies, but they will be relatively unnoticed if so many people make tracks just to get signed rather than cos they have the talent that guys like ferry armin etc did at their age.

I'll say! Phynn, Factoria, Recluse and Airbase are really REALLY hot...and great! Phynn has a somewhat unique style - a thing even higher ranked DJs sometime miss.

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Originally posted by Ian^ I just worry what will happen with Lieb barely producing now, Tiesto well past his better days of the late 90s/early 00-01 years, Ferry experimenting more, Armin losing 10x the class production wise he had before the end of 2002, Push/M.I.K.E. seemingly slipping downhill and L-Vee ripping off xpander several times more, as to what we will have to hear in maybe 5 years time. Obviously I don't mind who produces it, as long as it is good & Innovative, and atm I find a lot to be stale & far from the quality of production we used to get from the names i've mentioned above.

i agree. i mean there isn't really enough diversity to the sound of songs recently. they all have that same sound to them...i can't explain it any different than the heavy reverbed proggy sound that it seems all tunes have nowadays. i mean its a great sound for a track, but EVERYONE is doing it. i listen to the sets in the ametuer sections and they are filling entire sets with that stuff...it gets really mundane and lifeless for a whole set, but that what people wanna hear i guess.

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Originally posted by Ian^ I just worry what will happen with Lieb barely producing now, Tiesto well past his better days of the late 90s/early 00-01 years, Ferry experimenting more, Armin losing 10x the class production wise he had before the end of 2002, Push/M.I.K.E. seemingly slipping downhill and L-Vee ripping off xpander several times more, as to what we will have to hear in maybe 5 years time. Obviously I don't mind who produces it, as long as it is good & Innovative, and atm I find a lot to be stale & far from the quality of production we used to get from the names i've mentioned above.

Well, this is how i see it. If Phynn stays this good or even improves himself, i believe he could reach if not even surpass the big T. True about Ferry, he does sound a bit lost nowadays...

But truly, guys, as i mentioned above...except those boys, WHO - WHO will replace the trance producers?

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Originally posted by Floorfiller omg put me in Oliver Lieb's studio and have him teach me whats up...good things would happen hehehehe

Yeah, i'd really like someone to teach me how to create music...to teach me in such way i could create anything that comes in my head...and i already have some tracks playin in my head, a remix of Wouldn't It Be Good (Nik Kershaw - has a really god melody) and a possible trance anthem, featuring the voice of Tina Turner. I hope you guessed that would be a wild uplifting trance tune

Dreams are dreams...but i'll try to make them come to life

P.S. yeah i might sound like full of shit, but hey - no one's perfect

Re: Re: DJ's that should call it a day?

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Originally posted by jp true, he can't mix, so what? he rocked dance valley! that man is a hero

or structure a set for shit. he is a hero because he has a load of peopel stuck in the past who are chuffed to see him influenced on hsi reputation fo the past, you put a big dj on and no matter how dodgy they play (eg tiesto) the crowd will go mad coz its just a big name with a big following.

this thread has become another "we hate oakie" thread.. lol. well, my opinion on this is.... he WAS great, and now he is trying to come back... the thing is, oakie never really had amazing mixing skill's..even from back in the day. but he is still revolutionary in the scene.... hes kinda like a retired sports player that tries to come back and play again.

the thing i don't get about all the oakie bashing is that is playing a lot of the same music that tiesto is...so is it just teh mixing that is the problem...because doesn't tiesto have that SAME problem...i dont understand

hearing tiesto mix tilt - the world doesn't know at like 145 BPM horribly into traffic, and then mixing Sam Sharp - Deep into G&D's unplugged mix of Southern Sun kind of solidified in my mind that it's all over with.

Shame, really.

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Originally posted by Luke Cartwright Fergie

agreed.

I thought he was disgraceful last time I seen him. he just did't give a fuck. Wasn't mixing tunes, knocking the needles of the deck, stopping the music to shout. What a fucking dick. He left 10 minurtes early and let some random guy behind the decks finsih out his set.

A friend of mine said he left one of the needles completely unusable, so gabry fasano - the next dj - had to play from a cd deck and 1 turntable until they could get another needle from a different room.

arsehole!!! His tunes are shite too.

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Originally posted by UWM hearing tiesto mix tilt - the world doesn't know at like 145 BPM horribly into traffic, and then mixing Sam Sharp - Deep into G&D's unplugged mix of Southern Sun kind of solidified in my mind that it's all over with. Shame, really.

dont you mean oakenfold?

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