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Originally posted by her throat cut yes? well how come Tiesto is number 1 for two years on the row? he is like the lamest dj i know, but just because he spins trance(which many people dig) and makes show, people will like him. i actually think some of the best djs were way behind. so, its all about the show as it seems and knowing what people like in this business. not how much work you put on the turntables.

hes number one because DJ mag Top 100 is a popularity contest. And what does that have to do with the thread.

And that second sentence makes no sense

"Dave Clarke is giving up on vinyl now because CDs simply have a better sound quality."


Tahts bollocks!!

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Originally posted by her throat cut lame. i hope those vinyls get raplaced soon with some digital vinyls or some shit. i am tired of them.

well final scratch is basically digital vinyl

You know, I find it odd that everyone still goes on and on about the convenience of carrying a CD wallet instead of a box of records, while completely missing the REAL advantavges of the CD/digital format.

Just look at what James Zabiela does - there's simply so much more creative potential with CD's than there is with vinyl. This is definately its biggest advantage. Why don't people realize this?

The other big advantage is that new, unreleased tracks are dirt cheap to produce and put in the DJ's hands. Five years ago, some kid in his bedroom with the next big track would have to first promote himself to a swarm of record labels, get signed, and wait for the first promo records to be pressed. Today, he can burn a million copies himself and send them off to anyone and everyone. If he's a DJ, he can finish his track that afternoon and be spinning it that evening.

Don't get me wrong, vinyl is great. The sound is still better, technics are still rugged and dependable. But refusing to accept CD's simply for nostalgia's sake is ignorant. Both have their advantages and theres zero reason why both records and CD's can't coexist in our record bins.

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Originally posted by Wacky Hacky Well, you don't think CDs will be sticking around forever now do you? In about 50 years there is supposed to be almost no oil left to make all these CD's and vinyls from. Time to move on to "liquid music"

We were supposed to run out of oil long ago, according to past predictions. But we keep finding more and developing new technology to extract it. Not that it's an infinate resource - not by any means. But we aren't just going to look down all our wells one day and say "oh shit, we're out." As reserves get low the price of oil will go up, until eventually people realize their SUV's are just too expensive to keep driving and will use alternatives.

Besides, unless I'm mistaken, vinyl is made of wax.

that website is funny because they said this "Fellow Brit Dave Clarke is giving up on vinyl now because CDs simply have a better sound quality"

we all know that isnt true. i dont know what the link is, but there is a massive flame ware someplace on these forums about quality and you can see for yourself that thats is just not true.



My biggest issue with all this switching to CD and laptops is not so much with CDs but with laptops. talk about taking the easy way out. can you say lazy. i dont care if the best DJ in the world plays the greatest set at the most amazing location. if im there and i see him/her mixing on a laptop i will BOO my ass off. i love technology but thats just r'diculous... if you dont really know what im talking about lemme explain.

back in my earlier and more naive years, before i was really into EDM or DJing/Producing, i was thinking to myself, hmm i wonder what it would be like to mix. now since i was young i didnt even know that DJs used turntables and mixers to mix. i just figured it was all done on computers. i was searching for programs to use and i stumbled upon on such program that was supposed to be so amazing. it was really expensive too. i cant think of the name but if i remember i will post it up. now i downloaded a trial version of this "oh so amazing" program and loaded up two mp3s and i tried to mix. now i found it rather difficult, but then i realized i was only in the advanced mode. i switched to basic mode and i found a button that was called automixer or soemthing. i clicked it, and it matched the beats, messed with the midtones, and mixed the two tracks perfectly.

now if all these big namers started using laptops, chances are they could afford to buy a program similar and CHEAT THEIR WAY THROUGH THE FUCKING SET!!!

thats why the whole idea of mixing with a laptop makes me want to kill. its just cheating and stupid. stick with whats natural. vinyl cant be topped, and nothing will change my opinion.

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Originally posted by PVD & T[]C thats why the whole idea of mixing with a laptop makes me want to kill. its just cheating and stupid. stick with whats natural. vinyl cant be topped, and nothing will change my opinion.

agree with you 100%
laptops rip out the heart and soul out of DJing

hey, i've mixed with my comp for about 1.5 years now, using traktor mainly and ableton live, i don't do any gigs and i can't afford to buy tt's, but i love playing with it and i find it a great stress reliever, as well as a great creative outlet.

i've spun vinyl, but not for any length of time or very seriously, so i can't really say yay or nay to vinyl. however, without mp3's, i would have NEVER gotten into electronic music as much as i have, nor would i have been able to listen to some amazing sets or find some of those rare tracks that are unavailable on vinyl where i live (or are sold out on the net).

i feel grateful to have been able to experience EDM through digital media, and i may be criticized for not being 'true' to the music, but i think music is all about how you get your 'high' on it, and how it affects you personally.


btw, i may actually be getting a gig at a lounge here in indy, and i will be using a laptop with traktor and ableton if i do!



peaceness

MP3 mixing programs are helpful, though some will disagree with me.

It can teach you how to make songs flow better, and how to build-up a set. I have nothing against them being used for that purpose, I think it's a great and easy way to learn those two methods of DJ'ing.

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Originally posted by Azz3D Her throat cut is an idiot that's all I have to say about that

yeah and you got a signiture only an idiot will have.

Whats dumb about laptops is that they're useless. Digital vinyl? Honestly, why not just use REAL records in that case? Saves you $1500 for a laptop/software. Laptops are also fragile, hard drives can die, the software can crash, etc.

If you're going to go digital, go CD, you can do much much more with it. If your CDs are lost, stolen, etc, just re-burn them. If someone gives you a fresh promo on CDR you can play it as soon as you want.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Whats dumb about laptops is that they're useless. Digital vinyl? Honestly, why not just use REAL records in that case? Saves you $1500 for a laptop/software. Laptops are also fragile, hard drives can die, the software can crash, etc. If you're going to go digital, go CD, you can do much much more with it. If your CDs are lost, stolen, etc, just re-burn them. If someone gives you a fresh promo on CDR you can play it as soon as you want.

good points about the fragility of laptops, but their greater use comes from sampling, on-the-fly editing and visual interfaces that allow the user to concentrate on creating more complicated music within sets. i disagree that laptops are useless. why not take your digital studio (in the form of your 'laptop') with you? you could even create a track on the way to a gig and play it right off the comp that same night...just some thoughts.
also, why burn a cdr when that someone could just send you the mp3 via the web?

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Originally posted by nrjizer Whats dumb about laptops is that they're useless. Digital vinyl? Honestly, why not just use REAL records in that case? Saves you $1500 for a laptop/software. Laptops are also fragile, hard drives can die, the software can crash, etc. If you're going to go digital, go CD, you can do much much more with it. If your CDs are lost, stolen, etc, just re-burn them. If someone gives you a fresh promo on CDR you can play it as soon as you want.

Yes laptops are expensive...but vinyl is waaayyyy more expensive in the long run, also you can do SO much more with a laptop. Djs are getting bored, so they want to be more creative. Laptops let them do this. Laptops can die, sofware can crash, and laptops are somewhat fragile...this is true, but vinyl isnt ALWAYS a walk in the park either...

Vinyl will never die just because it's stylish and mysterious - the dancefloor majority has no clear idea of how the DJ creates his mix.
DJ with a laptop pushing buttons looks boring...

Well I should probably have been specific. When I say laptops I mean software like FinalScratch.

Laptops are definately handy and useful, but I don't think they're useful for actual mixing at all. I'd rather have my hands on a record or a CDJ wheel than a mouse while I'm mixing and scratching, or on a knob or pad while I'm adding effects.

Is there anything worse than being on a dancefloor when the DJ is using cds or a laptop?

For mine, you might as well stick a blow up doll up there with ear phones and it would be more exciting.

Off to see Steve Murano @ FAMILY tonight, yip yip.

- you dim your lights in the room to a nice soft glow. The room is quiet with anticipation. With ready hands you take out that piece of vinyl, which glistens in the light. It's almost ceremonial the way you put that first record on. Some may ease it on, some may flop it on and give it on good turn...everyone has their own way, but which ever way we do its always done with a sense of respect. Once that strobe is lit, and the frist revolusion turns its way around, you feel as if new life will be given to this record you are about to play. The slight hiss and crackle are happy reminders of the many joyous times you have let this record play. When that first note drops you are always reminded that this is the way music should be played...

Its this warm and intimate feeling that REAL DJs get when they play with vinyl.
Yes technology is great, in fact I own two CD decks and final scratch. But there is no feeling like spinning on vinyl. Some of us know it well, and others may never know... I'll leave it at that.

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Originally posted by TwoPlow Oh shit, the big boys are doing it, we better all hunker down and follow suit. The future is not CD over vinyl or sticking to vinyl alone, you have to combine all the available mediums. And who the fuck cares what you're spinning on, as long as you throw down a great set.

I agree completely. Although I must admit I have also been gradually sliding in favor of CD's...far more portable and also in conjunction with the fact that record labels are going digital.
Vinyls are definitely NOT lame though

I heard alot of stupid shit on this thread that I just needed to post.

First.

Spinning 100% or 100% CD's is not going to make you a better DJ. Beat Matching is done the same with either medium. If your using a program then why dj. Beat matching is only 1 of the many skills you need to mix. EQ'ing, levels, programmming,etc. are skills you have to develope reguarless of the muisc medium.

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Vinyl will not disappper nor will CD's. Both have the advatages and disadvantages. But DJs will always buy wax and cds.More importantly wax is more applicable to DJ's (DJ's in their heart prefer the feel and act of touching vinyl, pulling out a record, etc.) and as a result price is not a big issue with us rahter if it were sold to the publc ( thats why they have cd singles).

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Music. If I can find it on vinyl Ill buy it there first. If I cant Ill try cds. I think this is the rationale with most DJ's. But the important point is the music not the medium. If I like the track I dont care what its on. ( for example a up and coming producers give me a cd-r becuase he has no label and the tune is killer no shit Ill play it)


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I found that trance and alot of other EDM genre distribute newer music first on vinyl. Yes there are some good MP3 pay site but they dont carry all the artists and new releases as say chemical records or juno records does. Vinyl is stricly for dj;s as a result producers and label produce vinyl to reach audiences first though a dj viz via vinyl. Yes their are CD's too but Vinyl is still king for new distribution to mass djs(i.e. white labels). Yes armin and tiesto get cd-rs but seriously they are world class dj's who get to meet with the producers and get those very very limited cd-r promos. The rest of us djs have to rely on white labels.


solution

You need to have turntables and cd player if you want to be a dj. the computer thing is dangerous because of techncial probelms (i.e wiring, crashes, etc) Dont listen to me jsut look at any big venue or club and you will see 2-3 technics and 2 pioneer cdjs.

Vinyl is expensive. Equipement is expensive. CDs cost money too. The result is that being a DJ means having deep pockets and doing it for the right reasons. It's cool that you want to mix mp3's jsut to f$ck around but if you want to be a dj you need to throw out your "kiddie stuff" and do what pros do. This is the only way you will learn how to mix, whats the difference between vinyl vs. cds, and how to use differnt equipment. For example this is what I have in my basement:

2 Technic 1210 MK5's in black <--------------For my wax
Denon DN-D4000 <---------------------For my CD's
Rane MP 44 Club Mixer
PROFESSIONAL SLANT RACK CASE-BLACK
SONY MDRV700DJ DJ/REMIX HEADPHONES
2 Electro Voice SxA250 Powered 15-inch two-way
2 JBL JRX118SP POWERED PORTABLE 18 INCH SUBWOOFER
4 Ortofon needles (Night club)
2 Grundorf TURNTABLE CASE
Pioneer EFX 500
4 Odyssey LP Cases
CHAUVET CH01 9 FT TRIPOD STAND
2 Par-64 Spotlight ( Blue Light)
2 CHAUVET Corona
1 ADJ Moonflower Projector
2 ADJ Star Ball ( set this up Tiesto In Concert Style i.e. one on each side of my decks)
FURMAN RR15 8 OUTLET POWER CONDITIONER WITH LIGHTS

OH No! It's the late 1980s again, vinyls are going out of style and will disappear into obscurity forever.

Or maybe not.

Her Throat Cut, you're a idiot. There be a movement in this world thinking that anything analogue is shit and that digital is better in every situation. It's good to see that television and marketers have won you over.

I have a vinyl collection and I don�t even have a second turntable. They're not just for djing. I like to 'listen' to music, not wank about what format it's on. Vinyl slut Eh? you sound like a tech whore. You love your CDs but do you know that CDs are already superseded by DVD-Audio/SACD.

You're also stupid because you put words into the DJs mouths, show me anywhere where a dj actually says 'vinyl sux bro@!!!!!!!!!!!' Sucks to be you with the vinyl hate, vinyls will never, ever disappear.

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Originally posted by nrjizer You know, I find it odd that everyone still goes on and on about the convenience of carrying a CD wallet instead of a box of records, while completely missing the REAL advantavges of the CD/digital format. Just look at what James Zabiela does - there's simply so much more creative potential with CD's than there is with vinyl. This is definately its biggest advantage. Why don't people realize this? The other big advantage is that new, unreleased tracks are dirt cheap to produce and put in the DJ's hands. Five years ago, some kid in his bedroom with the next big track would have to first promote himself to a swarm of record labels, get signed, and wait for the first promo records to be pressed. Today, he can burn a million copies himself and send them off to anyone and everyone. If he's a DJ, he can finish his track that afternoon and be spinning it that evening. Don't get me wrong, vinyl is great. The sound is still better, technics are still rugged and dependable. But refusing to accept CD's simply for nostalgia's sake is ignorant. Both have their advantages and theres zero reason why both records and CD's can't coexist in our record bins.

completely agreed - except for the "sound is still better" of vinyl, that is highly subjective but i still like them

i also think one day mixing on software will become acceptable. dj'ing these days in genres like uplifting trance where most dj's just do the transitions and barely no tricks is just focused on beatmatching and eq'ing, apart from track selection. why should dj's be 100% dependent on beatmatching by ear when there's computers that can help a bit? it's just the tradition, the "the dj has to know how to beatmatch" basical skill. on uplifting trance this becomes overrated cause that's a huge part of what the dj does. on more versatile genres like techno i think there's is a door for computer-aided beatmatching cause it allows the dj's to be creative without having to worry about it.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 i also think one day mixing on software will become acceptable. dj'ing these days in genres like uplifting trance where most dj's just do the transitions and barely no tricks is just focused on beatmatching and eq'ing, apart from track selection. why should dj's be 100% dependent on beatmatching by ear when there's computers that can help a bit? it's just the tradition, the "the dj has to know how to beatmatch" basical skill. on uplifting trance this becomes overrated cause that's a huge part of what the dj does. on more versatile genres like techno i think there's is a door for computer-aided beatmatching cause it allows the dj's to be creative without having to worry about it.

Yea agreed! As long as the DJ is actually doing something (looping, sampling, beatmatching etc) it doesn't really matter to me what kind of medium he's using, but when he's just sitting there and gives a few mouse clicks every 5 minutes then thats really lame :/

�I think it is going to reinvent the role of the DJ and sort the men from the boys�, Sasha explained to the Independent.

More like its going to make it easier to mix because the computer can do it for you now (beat matching, fx, etc etc etc....)

Personally I think it takes way less talent to CD mix, and Vinyl sounds a hell of a lot better...nothing sounds as good as a slightly worn vinyl with a somewhat fuzzy crackle to it.


But thats just personal opinion...

Oh, and with CD mixers and computer mixers, how the hell do you even know if a DJ is mixing, or just standing there playing with the volume levels and bouncing around, acting as if he is doing something when he could just be playing a cd he made at home last weekend?????

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Originally posted by Tranceguy1 Oh, and with CD mixers and computer mixers, how the hell do you even know if a DJ is mixing, or just standing there playing with the volume levels and bouncing around, acting as if he is doing something when he could just be playing a cd he made at home last weekend?????

BT has done this before, and it sounds great. I love seeing a live performance, however, I can still appreciate hard work on a nice sounding mix.

Cd mixing is a great new technology that can be used in conjunction with vinyl. To say one or the other is better or worse is rediculous. Who cares how the Dj makes the set sound incredible? the fact is, they are making good music for us.

I really don't understand why people get in such a huff over this subject. How can you say that Cd's don't sound as good as vinyl? If you're using a CD-R with high quality MP 3's (PURCHASED MP3's ), the sound is fine.

Let's give it a rest eh? CD's, Vinyl, Mp 3's, fuck, who cares. If the beats sound good, that's all I care about

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Originally posted by Cataclysmic How can you say that Cd's don't sound as good as vinyl?

Technical fact. Pure unbroken waveform, not restricted by sample rate or bit rate. More information than any digital source will ever have. even if you had a sample rate on a cd of 300khz its still binary and not analogue.
Granted the differences are there but cds are still *good* -except mp3s which are utter balls.

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Let's give it a rest eh? CD's, Vinyl, Mp 3's, fuck, who cares. If the beats sound good, that's all I care about

I totally agree with this however.
From a personal perspective i still swear by vinyl, even tho i have been using cds alongside vinyl in a professional capacity for some years now. Using CDs i find cold and boring. And they go wrong. Or the cd player has a fit or doesnt like the disc. Or theres a finger print on one etc etc

p.s
There is a god-knows-how-many-page thread on this in the dj booth section.

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