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Originally posted by Radagast So much for doing it for the sake of art. All he cares about are the dollar signs.

what a fuckin stupid comment. if someone was stealing a chunk of your paycheck on every month by doing nothing more than clicking a mouse button for money that you actually need to pay the bills, money you have earned, you'd be fucked off to. do you do your job for the love of it? i doubt it. these people enjoy their work obviously, but hey need to eat to. small labels like andy's struggle to survive these days enough as it is. blah blah blah, you know the rest. and FYI we don't have dollars in Britain you ignorant ****.

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Originally posted by Nell what a fuckin stupid comment. if someone was stealing a chunk of your paycheck on every month by doing nothing more than clicking a mouse button for money that you actually need to pay the bills, money you have earned, you'd be fucked off to. do you do your job for the love of it? i doubt it. these people enjoy their work obviously, but hey need to eat to. small labels like andy's struggle to survive these days enough as it is. blah blah blah, you know the rest. and FYI we don't have dollars in Britain you ignorant ****.

I concur

apparently the mp3's are of real high quality, appears to of come from a CD or a digital source, definately not a vinyl rip. i can't confirm this myself, ill check it later. does this have any significance of the people taht have the promo.. were they all given vinyl copies?

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Originally posted by Nell apparently the mp3's are of real high quality, appears to of come from a CD or a digital source, definately not a vinyl rip. i can't confirm this myself, ill check it later. does this have any significance of the people taht have the promo.. were they all given vinyl copies?

a little tangent here, but aren't vinyl rips higher quality than cd rips?

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Originally posted by Azz3D I would get a real job then in addition to DJing/ producing. Most DJs don't have a schedule as busy as sasha or pvd for that matter, I'm sure there's some spare time for another job.

i don't know what your original reply was, but to comment on this one.... if you're doing what yuo love and trying hard, you shouldn't have to get a second job to support yourself because someone is stealing your paycheck... that's not very fair, now is it? and who knows how long some of these songs take to produce...

and andy is running a record label... much more time/expense involved in that... it's actually running a business!

-keith

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Originally posted by nrjizer Like others have said, you must take a share of the blame as well, because it was your label that put the promo copy into the ripper's hands to begin with. Unless you keep your track completely locked away until its release, you run the risk of it being leaked. That may not be fair, but that's just the way things work. Of course, the ripper is the real one to blame. As for downloaders, this is the filesharing age, there's simply no way around it. But I honestly beleive that mp3s help the industry a lot. It's pretty much free exposure. People who would have otherwise never heard the track might hear it, like it, and go buy it. They might not like it enough to buy it then, but whenever that artist/label puts out another release it might grab their attention and they'll buy that one. It was mp3 sharing that introduced me to EDM. Prior to then, I never really bought any CDs because there weren't any that I cared for here in Bumfuck, USA. But thanks to filesharing, I'm now hooked on this crazy computer music. I've bought many more CDs in the past few years than I have in my entire life. I've also plunked down about $1200 on turntables and $700-800 total on vinyl, which I buy on a regular basis. The industry wouldn't have seen one cent from me if it wasn't for rampant mp3 sharing. How do you know DJ Celica wouldn't have been first in line at the record store to buy it the day it came out? It's unfair to assume that everyone who downloads doesn't buy. I've been rocking my mp3 copy of James Zabiela - Alive for 2 weeks now. Just came out in the US today. After I post this I'm going to check my bank acct, then swing over to Amazon and pick it up. The real theives are DJs who download tracks, burn them, and then spin them at gigs for profit. But I see nothing wrong with kids in their bedrooms downloading tracks and mixing them in traktor to share with their buddies. The real problem here is lack of alternative. It's unrealistic to expect the average joe listener to purchase vinyl these days. Most don't even own turntables. Companies like BeatPort are already leading the way - if more would follow suit, sharing would be less of an issue.

good plee (y)

like the other guy said, internet is a double edged sword, you gain and loose from it.

funny thing about this thread is i don't even read americans posts

not necessarily... while a vinyl ultimately can have a better quality due to the fact that it's analog, when you "rip" something (into a mp3 for example) you're compressing it into whatever format you choose.. so whether it came from a vinyl or cdr if you compressed it to 192kbps, the difference is going to be negligible

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Originally posted by keithos27 a little tangent here, but aren't vinyl rips higher quality than cd rips?

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Originally posted by InfiniteSquare funny thing about this thread is i don't even read americans posts

there is an intelligent reply

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Originally posted by E-vangelist not necessarily... while a vinyl ultimately can have a better quality due to the fact that it's analog, when you "rip" something (into a mp3 for example) you're compressing it into whatever format you choose.. so whether it came from a vinyl or cdr if you compressed it to 192kbps, the difference is going to be negligible

okay, thanks.

Think a few more people have illegal copies of this now from this thread ???????

Not heard it yet myself but I think its about ready for release now, before the whole world gets an mp3 of it.

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Originally posted by keithos27 okay, thanks.

you dont get pops crackes etc from CD's though, AND the idiots who record vinyls like to feed it through their mixer with all the equalizer settings changed for their sound system so the recordigns come out with the bass booming. With CD ripping, you rip via your CD ROM drive and the levels are at the same settings as the original masters therefore. It's pretty easy to tell the difference. CD Rips are better to have imo quality wise.

The author of this thread has a dinosaur attitude. Kuffdam has the right idea. MP3 technology is here to stay, and the industry must learn to embrace it. The reason labels are struggling is because they are being so inflexible in their approach to promotion.

I don't know what, but they have to start offering something extra that makes the CDs and vinyls worth buying. Or start offering mp3s with some attached means of earning a profit. I want to see the music I love succeed, but if the promoters don't start adapting to the 21st century then we're going to be in trouble.

i hate to say it, but the canadian is right!

labels that don't offer their tracks on CD don't get my business, it's that simple. CD's or CD-R's are fine, but i refuse to overpay for a self delipidating format such as vinyl.

i only thing i hate about CDs is that they scratch so easily. i know that vinyl isn't the best at that as it slowly deteriorates, but i alwas have scratches all over my cds and then they suck! what do you do about that Nell?

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i only thing i hate about CDs is that they scratch so easily. i know that vinyl isn't the best at that as it slowly deteriorates, but i alwas have scratches all over my cds and then they suck! what do you do about that Nell?

CD Dr. works pretty good at fixing minor stuff.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i only thing i hate about CDs is that they scratch so easily. i know that vinyl isn't the best at that as it slowly deteriorates, but i alwas have scratches all over my cds and then they suck! what do you do about that Nell?

stop using them as frisbees should do the trick.

half the crap never makes it to cd though, and the other half never makes it to vinyl... your damned if you do, damned if you don't. i'm just going to stop collecting soon, lol.

truthfully..... eventually i see digital download with copyright protection as the way of the future... eventually DJs will be using final scratch (or some variant) because it will be mastered to a point, and producers will just e-mail new tracks, and dj/producers will edit on the road, etc. vinyl and cd are expensive to distribute, deteriorate, scratch, etc. unforuntately digital download isn't "mastered" yet but eventually i see that as the medium of choice for many....

God, when i think that i've spent 6k or vinyls in the past year, that could have bought me approximately 6k mp3s!

-keith

-keith

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Originally posted by keithos27 stop using them as frisbees should do the trick. half the crap never makes it to cd though, and the other half never makes it to vinyl... your damned if you do, damned if you don't. i'm just going to stop collecting soon, lol. truthfully..... eventually i see digital download with copyright protection as the way of the future... eventually DJs will be using final scratch (or some variant) because it will be mastered to a point, and producers will just e-mail new tracks, and dj/producers will edit on the road, etc. vinyl and cd are expensive to distribute, deteriorate, scratch, etc. unforuntately digital download isn't "mastered" yet but eventually i see that as the medium of choice for many.... God, when i think that i've spent 6k or vinyls in the past year, that could have bought me approximately 6k mp3s! -keith -keith

oh man...no freesbies

but seriously...if vinyl wasn't so cool i'd probably just buy cds hehehe...but i want both!!

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Originally posted by InfiniteSquare funny thing about this thread is i don't even read americans posts

I'm curious how it is that you know that the only posts being made by Americans are the ones with the American flag in their profile? You assume that everyone is from the country listed in their profile. My birth given name is trancebrat. Of course you should assume that...it says so in my profile.

i agree with what was said earlier on.
i like to rip all my cds in 320 kbps to have as much of a quality as i can
and i love cd albums that are unmixed, because you can listen to them on your cd player, use them in your cd decks and rip them perfectly

more stuff should come out on cd imo. i think things are slowly going in the right direction with more people embracing cd/FS mixing

another thing that pisses me off. digital downloads at less than 320 kbps.
i mean whats the point of offering downloads for sale at 192? i would pay for high quality downloads (320) but im not gonna pay for something at 192 that i can download for free

excuse my ignorance, but is there really a noticable difference between 320 and 192? or only in a large place like a club? just curious...

-keith

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Originally posted by keithos27 excuse my ignorance, but is there really a noticable difference between 320 and 192? or only in a large place like a club? just curious... -keith

yes alot.

the higher the bitrate, the more high frequencie the mp3 contains.
best way to compare is focuing on the percussion, hihats and other hats mainly.

thats why a 64 bitrate mpp3 sound so muddy , because all the sounds are not clear.

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Originally posted by InfiniteSquare funny thing about this thread is i don't even read americans posts

funny thing about this board is everyone dislikes you

downloading is evil mmmmkay

I havent read all of this thread but i have this point to make ...

How many of the people that d/l'ed it actually have decks and would have been able to purchase the track anyway?

If you're only putting a track out on vinyl then you're not really losing sales from someone that never has/will own decks.


I think the whole mp3 thing has a totally different agruement when it comes to EDM .. it's fair enough to see why 'normal' CD sales are massively affected but compared to that there's such a small percentage of EDM listeners with the equipment to actually listen.

mp3's are much more of a tool to dj's these days imo ... i know i d/l a hell of a lot but if something's good it gets picked up on vinyl without fail.

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