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Originally posted by Boomer187 isn't that a matter of personal perspective? what you call brainwashing, they call learning to do that job. and being controlled by the government, i would hope they woudl control theri employees.

Personal perspective? You're gambling your life on a scholarship or the ability to travel the world or to make new friends. Is that hard to comprehend?

And when did I say brainwashing?

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Originally posted by Radagast Personal perspective? You're gambling your life on a scholarship or the ability to travel the world or to make new friends. Is that hard to comprehend? And when did I say brainwashing?

oops, mixed you and spec up. cut out the brainwashing part.

and its not hard to comprehend at all, in fact I think we can all agree that it is a gamble, much like life is. You gamble on things all the time, wtf is the big deal with the military?

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Originally posted by Boomer187 we shoudl have been a lot more humaine and just killed them. and I love the use of "potential psychological impact". I woudl think these guys would expect this kind of treatment since this is what they are trained to administer. i keep forgetting what your point is here. What are you trying to say, that the american military is bad? or that militaries in general are bad?

Guilty until proven innocent hey? That sounds like a fair system.

It sounds like you have the required ignorance and stupidity to join the army? Ever considered it?

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Originally posted by spec Guilty until proven innocent hey? That sounds like a fair system. It sounds like you have the required ignorance and stupidity to join the army? Ever considered it?

the system adn fair never go well together.

i actually have considered joining the military. the thought of me going to your country and killing you while getting paid sounds delightful. but I didn't join.




plus, could you answer my one question, what is the point of this thread? is it a complaint against the us military, military in general..or what. I am confused.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 You gamble on things all the time,

Things? What things? Be more specific?

In the military you're trained to kill in situations where it's kill or be killed. No choices. Just kill or be killed. And you hope it doesn't come to that. Oh yeah I guess everyone is gambling with their life every moment of every day. I mean accidents happen. A stray bullet that someone shot into the air could come down on your head for instance, or some equally uncommon thing. But joining the military is willfully decreasing your chances of winning your everyday gamble with life.

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Originally posted by Radagast Things? What things? Be more specific? Something more common and more dangerous than the military I hope.

businesses, jobs, what your gonna eat, etc, etc.


if you break it down far enough, you'll notice a lot of gambles. when you get into businesses you'll notice they can be very dangerous, you could lose your ass.


but I think we are getting off on a tangent....a tangent from some topic I am sure.

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Originally posted by spec Guilty until proven innocent hey? That sounds like a fair system. It sounds like you have the required ignorance and stupidity to join the army? Ever considered it?

I know plenty of people who joined the military. So they are now stupid, just for the sole fact they joined? God that has to be the dumbest comment ever. IF YOU JOINED THE MILITARY YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD!!! You site sources from Amensty Internatationl. In no way am i saying that they lie, they inflate the truth. Why don't you site some sources that is neutral. That's like me trying to prove points by statments given by the Pentagon. I'm sure you take at face vaule. What do you have against the indivual solider anyways? It's funny how you can label a person who is patriotic as brainwashed, yet i'm sure you'll label somebody against the goverment a rebel. It's the same shit, differnt pile.

Yeah forget it. Too tired to talk about anything.

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Originally posted by spec It sounds like you have the required ignorance and stupidity to join the army? Ever considered it?

i know this was directed to Boomer, but do you also think everybody in the military is stupid and ignorant? without these so called "stupid and ignorant" people you wouldnt have the life you do today,.. we dont create war... we keep the peace

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Originally posted by Radagast Things? What things? Be more specific? In the military you're trained to kill in situations where it's kill or be killed. No choices. Just kill or be killed. And you hope it doesn't come to that. Oh yeah I guess everyone is gambling with their life every moment of every day. I mean accidents happen. A stray bullet that someone shot into the air could come down on your head for instance, or some equally uncommon thing. But joining the military is willfully decreasing your chances of winning your everyday gamble with life.

truthfully i think the military makes the gamble of life a wash b/c its true i might have to be put in a situation to kill or be killed, but it's not like im just off the street and in that situation... i have had plenty of training to up my chances of winning that battle

and militaristic training aside it has made me a better as a leader, with group cohesion, confidence, manners, respect, courage etc...

i forget who said the part where we are controlled by the government,... Boomer is right, of course we are,.. its my employer just like any job,..

Personally, the military does not sound like a good idea to me and probably not to most people because they sorta have to bribe people to go. But their are good points and bad points to it, just as there are good point and bad points to anything. For the bad points first. You can die, complete loss of will to the government, intense training, and time away from family and/or significant other. The good points, pride, protection of your homeland, building of character, military benefits, you may get to travel, you may get money for college, you most likely will make new friends. Now to some people, this may be enough. But for me and for most people it's just plain not. I will not join the military unless I am forced to through the prospective military academy that i may go to, or if there is a draft and, if the war that there is a draft for I do not support I probably still won't go. But regardless of if i want to go to the military or not, I still support the troops because they generally have no choice in where they are sent or what they have to do (unless it violates the code of war ethics).

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Originally posted by smokeape Getting out in a year? Chapter 13,14, or 15? You're beyond the entry level separation. [[[smoke]]] Audio Sweet - Sunshine After the Rain (Club Mix)

I'm seperating in a year.

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Originally posted by Radagast If they actually had a brain of their own to think with they wouldn't be in the military in the first place. It's their own fault if they join a military which has policies that might severely conflict with their moral beliefs.

Myself and other people currently in Iraq thank you for calling us all idiots.

Enjoy sleeping in tomorrow.

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Originally posted by Seventil Myself and other people currently in Iraq thank you for calling us all idiots. Enjoy sleeping in tomorrow.

Dont humor it with replies. Spec started this thread to start arguments. Rise above it.

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Originally posted by Radagast Joining the military isn't about college scholarships, making friends, or travelling the world. It's about gambling your life and being directly controlled by the government. Everyone should go into the armed forces with this in mind. Yes those people are stupid spec. They see a Marines AD on TV showcasing its scholarship plan or a Navy AD showing how great it is to travel the world. Then they join the military thinking that that's what they are going to have to look forward to. Wrong. I guess people in the situations you describe found this out the hard way.

This is complete ignorance.

Next year - when I'm out - here is what I will have accomplished:

3 years living in the US (Mississippi and Idaho)
1 AA in Information Technology
1 BA in Theology
6 total months of time deployed in a hostile location (Kuwait 3 months, Qatar 3 months)
4 1/2 years living in Italy
Money I will have when I get out: over 50K in investments (this isn't including my nice car + furnishings + everything else I've bought... I live well)
Countries I've been to because of being in the military: over 30
Amount of European girls I've slept with because I've been in the military: a mute point really

Get my drift? The military isn't that bad. I've done so many things, met so many people and had enough experiences that I could die today and have more interesting stories and have lived a more adventurous life than 90% of the people in America.

Don't talk shit about something you don't know. The military isn't full of mindless retards like you make it out to be. There are good and bad people everywhere. Try getting educated on something before you spread your ignorant propaganda to the good people on this board.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie Dont humor it with replies. Spec started this thread to start arguments. Rise above it.

Had to set the record straight. -- Sorry sweetie.

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Originally posted by Seventil Had to set the record straight. -- Sorry sweetie.

Its hard to argue with you.

Thank you to the ones that serve! I have the upmost respect for each one of you. You are the ones that are protecting us normal people.

I guess you guys don't get it. It's not the military's fault about what we do, it's the government. I hate it when people bash the military when it's the governments fault because of the mistakes they made.

It's just like any other job. If your boss makes a dumb decision you do not blame the employees.

I think this conversation is mostly the ones who want to experience something new vs those who haven't been to army and like it that way.

I say it's hard to say what the army is like until you've been there. Here in Finland armed service/or longer civil service is compulsory, so to me army is just one of the many things in my life. It is true that Finland doesn't send it's soldiers to wage war whatever the cause may be, we only have peacekeepers.

How does army change people? Well I can say that my friends that are atm in the army or have did their service are more tolerant towards other people (they know they are not the centre of the world, which is good I think), overall they are more mature. Most of my friends don't like army, but if it has changed them it has done so in a good way.

It's a common problem here in Finland that people don't like the army, and the reason isn't guns etc, it's the deprivation of freedom and the schedule in the army. They just aren't used to that sort of thing. So in my opinion people these days could be a bit more patriotic, many here in Finland forget that without our army we'd be speaking russian now (no offence russian is a nice language) and we would not be as rich and civilized nation as we are now.

One has to remeber there are only losers in war, but still I'm looking forward for my time in the army which begins in January. I'm glad that the politicians in Finland are wise enough so that I do not have to experience combat.

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Originally posted by Michael19 not really, considering they are very few peacekeeping missions. and only happen in a few african coutries and elsewhere.

actually it seems to me that we ignore some of the needed peace keeping missions in africa. like genocide in the sudan, for example.

i dont kn ow why (seriously) but i dont have a high opinion of the military. like i would do everything i can to not serve and the idea of the wars we are fighting disgusts me. i dont know if i perhaps have been brainwashed the wrong way or what but there has to be some reason i have such negative feelings about the military.

I personally have the US Armed forces to thank for my life.

I was in Kuwait during the Inavasion, and had anyone interceded, I doubt that I would have survived.

I don't have to agree with what the ideaology what drives the wars or what have you, but I will not demean or insult those that serve in the armed forces. Whether it is against their will or not, they are still providing services in hostile areas that most civilians will never see.

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Originally posted by Seventil This is complete ignorance. Next year - when I'm out - here is what I will have accomplished: 3 years living in the US (Mississippi and Idaho) 1 AA in Information Technology 1 BA in Theology 6 total months of time deployed in a hostile location (Kuwait 3 months, Qatar 3 months) 4 1/2 years living in Italy Money I will have when I get out: over 50K in investments (this isn't including my nice car + furnishings + everything else I've bought... I live well) Countries I've been to because of being in the military: over 30 Amount of European girls I've slept with because I've been in the military: a mute point really Get my drift? The military isn't that bad. I've done so many things, met so many people and had enough experiences that I could die today and have more interesting stories and have lived a more adventurous life than 90% of the people in America. Don't talk shit about something you don't know. The military isn't full of mindless retards like you make it out to be. There are good and bad people everywhere. Try getting educated on something before you spread your ignorant propaganda to the good people on this board.

Well at least you sell your soul for money, and not just misguided nationalism.

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Originally posted by spec Well at least you sell your soul for money, and not just misguided nationalism.

yeah...better then selling your pride for c0ck, Spec

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Originally posted by spec Well at least you sell your soul for money, and not just misguided nationalism.

hahaha man. It's funny how you critize people what they do. As hard as it may be for you to understand, there are many people do it for their country. They don't do it because they are stupid, they don't do it to become rich, they don't do it to become famous, they don't to "kill babies". They do it for the guy next to them and for people with stupid remarks (notice i didn't say opinions)

I'm currently serving in the US Army and in Iraq for the second time. Actually the only differences in me that people that know me have told me are that I'm

a. more accepting
b. more patient
c. not as lazy anymore

Although I've had to go through some rough stuff I'm thankful that I've been able to serve and be a part of the military. I suppose you can redicule people all you want and just lay back and never find out for yourself what something is like. Although I'd rather be the person that can say I've been there and been able to experience it. As soon as I joined I figured out most of the stuff people say about the military is false. Lots of misconceptions and myths go around and some are perpetuated by prior service members that have a grudge for some reason or another. Lots of the training we go through is to make you understand and accept the possibility (for me the fact) that you will see and undergoe some very stressful and horrible times, and that you will have to rely on your buddies and the training you've had to survive in any enviroment. I suppose there should be a "phasing out" process for those of us that have been to combat. So that you can transition back to civillian life afterwards. You've go to understand its a hell of a transition from civillian to soldier. I'm sure that for some the transition is just as hard going back to civillian after something like this, or any prolonged time int he military.
*shrugs* I've got to go.. my time is up I'll continue in a bit.

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