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^^^^oh good god!

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Originally posted by Kytracid Some of the best comedians in the world are actually very astute social commentators. They have to be, to find the humourous in the everyday things that most of us overlook. George Carlin and Chris Rock are just a few examples. But I digress...

I agree...Margaret Cho, Al Franken, Dennis Miller (although he's gone crazy lately), etc.

take a poll then...see how many people on this board actively listen to hip hop and rap...and please include ages...cause I bet it will be the younger members too who probably listened to hip hop and rap before EDM anyway

P Diddy is a "legend"??? Give me a *#@$! break...he's a very astute businessman and producer, no question, but I reserve terms like "legend" for people who will be remembered and talked about long after their careers end...Bob Marley, Public Enemy, Oakenfold, etc. P Diddy is no "legend"...but the people who think so probably see at Tupac as having been a "prophet", I suppose

Angelgirl, I'm with ya...give me old school hip hop and rap over today's (mostly) garbage anyday. Face it...when Eminem and 50 cent are carrying your scene, it's in trouble Sure there's the underground scene, but that's another story. Every genre has it's underground scene that does it's own thing. Ask any of the intelligent rappers, speaking of things OTHER than violence, bitches and money and see where they rank on the charts. I have great respect for several hip hop and rap artists...but little respect for the general mainstream scene itself and the images it often embraces and projects...

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Originally posted by MarkT I agree...Margaret Cho, Al Franken, Dennis Miller (although he's gone crazy lately), etc. take a poll then...see how many people on this board actively listen to hip hop and rap...and please include ages...cause I bet it will be the younger members too who probably listened to hip hop and rap before EDM anyway P Diddy is a "legend"??? Give me a *#@$! break...he's a very astute businessman and producer, no question, but I reserve terms like "legend" for people who will be remembered and talked about long after their careers end...Bob Marley, Public Enemy, Oakenfold, etc. P Diddy is no "legend"...but the people who think so probably see at Tupac as having been a "prophet", I suppose Angelgirl, I'm with ya...give me old school hip hop and rap over today's (mostly) garbage anyday. Face it...when Eminem and 50 cent are carrying your scene, it's in trouble Sure there's the underground scene, but that's another story. Every genre has it's underground scene that does it's own thing. Ask any of the intelligent rappers, speaking of things OTHER than violence, bitches and money and see where they rank on the charts. I have great respect for several hip hop and rap artists...but little respect for the general mainstream scene itself and the images it often embraces and projects...

hold up a minute, there is a problem when eminem is carrying the scene, you have got to be kidding me! Amazing rapper. sorry if someone forgot to tell ya, but listen to the guy. THe guy is a step above most rappers

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Originally posted by Orko hold up a minute, there is a problem when eminem is carrying the scene, you have got to be kidding me! Amazing rapper. sorry if someone forgot to tell ya, but listen to the guy. THe guy is a step above most rappers

I don't like offensive lyrics...and not just random offensive lyrics cause those are okay...but when it's personally directed and so violent, it doesnt sit well with me. I guess that's why I never liked Eminem.

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Originally posted by Orko hold up a minute, there is a problem when eminem is carrying the scene, you have got to be kidding me! Amazing rapper. sorry if someone forgot to tell ya, but listen to the guy. THe guy is a step above most rappers

I agree...I never said he wasn't talented...in fact, I think he's got an interseting style, great flow, etc...his material is not what I'd call "brilliant" though.

Give K-OS a listen (if you already have not done so) and tell me if you still think Eminem is *that* good

P. Diddy is the worst rapper, I'd boo him off anywhere

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Originally posted by MarkT I agree...I never said he wasn't talented...in fact, I think he's got an interseting style, great flow, etc...his material is not what I'd call "brilliant" though. Give K-OS a listen (if you already have not done so) and tell me if you still think Eminem is *that* good

i do think that eminem is THAT good. the violent lyrics and such dont bother me a bit, i guess im just desensitized.

but i think he makes very good points in an unconvential way, the same way a comediam makes a good point by making jokes.

In my opinion Eminem is a very good battle emcee, who freesytles well, and has good flow when he spits. I Wouldn't say he's the greatest of all time, but he's an above average rapper, and defiantely a lyricist as well.

Love him or hate him, you can't deny the man has skills.

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Originally posted by Orko hold up a minute, there is a problem when eminem is carrying the scene, you have got to be kidding me! Amazing rapper. sorry if someone forgot to tell ya, but listen to the guy. THe guy is a step above most rappers

someone who exposes kids to violence is amazing eh!
eminem should be jailed for life!

And now we are going to honour such role models and hope our scholarship worthy kids qualify for this...

http://www.eurweb.com/articles/head...82908112004.cfm

I like that Nelly is giving back to the community but PIMP scholarship...could they not come up with something less predictable.

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Originally posted by angelgirl And now we are going to honour such role models and hope our scholarship worthy kids qualify for this... http://www.eurweb.com/articles/head...82908112004.cfm I like that Nelly is giving back to the community but PIMP scholarship...could they not come up with something less predictable.

link no the work

only thing i can really add is that P. Diddy is a legend (or will be) and will be talked about for years.. thats all.

This thread is amusing but not surprising. The people who pay big bucks to go to Ibiza should be protected from the mindless cheese of today�s Hip Pop. As for PD being legend � maybe, but not in the music industry. He may be remembered as fashion Ikon

For the record, the only Hip Hop production outfit that I stil listen to are the Beastie Boys.

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Originally posted by MarkT Give K-OS a listen (if you already have not done so) and tell me if you still think Eminem is *that* good

K-OS is great! I'm really diggin his jazzy tune Crabbuckit and I liked that old rascalz tune ft K-OS "around the world".

never really liked puff daddy or his music. he's a very flashy guy with his clothing line and all that crap.

those who think hip hop is to blame for violence need to think a little more realistically. Just because a handful of listeners commit crime doesn't mean they all do. not all paul martin voters are thieves, not all harper voters post political threads on TOTA, not all tranceaddicts pop pills.

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Originally posted by walkindude Who made you the "FU_CKING SOCIOLOGIST"??..... dont answer that!!!

Jesus H. Christ made Jon Jon who he is. Ok? ok.

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Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC K-OS is great! I'm really diggin his jazzy tune Crabbuckit and I liked that old rascalz tune ft K-OS "around the world". never really liked puff daddy or his music. he's a very flashy guy with his clothing line and all that crap. those who think hip hop is to blame for violence need to think a little more realistically. Just because a handful of listeners commit crime doesn't mean they all do. not all paul martin voters are thieves, not all harper voters post political threads on TOTA, not all tranceaddicts pop pills.

nobody said that every rap song is... all this thread bascially states is that some rap, I repeat, only some rap music does have a negetive effect on some individuals of society as might EDM in "some way" promote the use of ecstacy and other drugs. (i know Im going to get into trouble for that one...)

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Originally posted by walkindude nobody said that every rap song is... all this thread bascially states is that some rap, I repeat, only some rap music does have a negetive effect on some individuals of society as might EDM in "some way" promote the use of ecstacy and other drugs. (i know Im going to get into trouble for that one...)

I know what you're saying but i think the problem lies more in the listeners than the artists. some people are just messed up regardless of what they listen to.

some edm songs do promote drug use. As the rush comes is about the feeling when E takes into effect.

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Originally posted by dj_Vendetta hehehehe That is great, best news ive heard for a while....Diddy is a joke, and atleast over the ocean people realize it and put him in his place....I don't understand why he can't f*ck off and stick with his own shit...what a magit.

EXACTLY, no one in europe - or VERY few - wanna hear that punk say ANYTHING, let alone rap at such SICK places like space or dc-10.


GET OFF OUR ISLAND U FUCKIN RETARD!!!
(no offence to any1)

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Originally posted by djshan someone who exposes kids to violence is amazing eh! eminem should be jailed for life!

its not like he is going out on the street and saying "hey kids, look at me beat up this women"

he is releasing his songs in a controled manner, through stores, where you have a choice to buy the album or not. there are warnings on the albums.

remember, what he raps about, its not the truth, its a story to make a point.

and if you believe that Em is the cause of kids being exposed to violence, get real. What cartoons did you watch as a kid? every one of them has violence in it. Every cartoon has a conflict, which is usually resolved with some sort of battle/violence. Yes its fantasy, and therefore we know its not real, but so is his music, Eminem always states that in his interviews. he says stuff just to get a rise out of people. Think outside the box buddy, and stop listening to the media.

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Originally posted by bucky only thing i can really add is that P. Diddy is a legend (or will be) and will be talked about for years.. thats all.

Do you honestly think so? What are they going to say about him..."nice clothes"? "oh yeah, he did J-Lo"? lol

No offense intended, but how old are you? How long have you followed hip hop and rap? Do you really consider him anywhere *near* as influential as people like Public Enemy, NWA, MC Lyte, Queen Latifah, Tribe Called Quest, Dre, Snoop, Beatie Boys, KRS-One, etc?

Unlike most people on that list, P Diddy's popularity revolves more around things unrelated to being a hip hop or rap artist (fashion, J-Lo, names changes, production, etc). He's immensely popular, no question...but a "legend"? um...no.

Find me a respected top 10 list (or top 20 or 30?) that includes P. Diddy as an artist...good luck!

^^^ keep the argument consistant. DRE has been regarded as a legend, not cause of his lyrics, but because of his production! He helped to make NWA, snoop and west coast.

Diddy helped to do the same with the East coast of rappers. good production is an important to rap.

i dont think anybody on this board is defending his lyrics. lets face it they stink! and for the longest time he didn even write them. but he did help to establish a lot of talent with his productions. thats why i say he should be respected. definalty not cause of his rapping.

btw...isnt an artist someone who expresses emotion/feeling through something they made which can be experienced by one of the 5 senses?

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Originally posted by MarkT Do you honestly think so? What are they going to say about him..."nice clothes"? "oh yeah, he did J-Lo"? lol No offense intended, but how old are you? How long have you followed hip hop and rap? Do you really consider him anywhere *near* as influential as people like Public Enemy, NWA, MC Lyte, Queen Latifah, Tribe Called Quest, Dre, Snoop, Beatie Boys, KRS-One, etc? Unlike most people on that list, P Diddy's popularity revolves more around things unrelated to being a hip hop or rap artist (fashion, J-Lo, names changes, production, etc). He's immensely popular, no question...but a "legend"? um...no. Find me a respected top 10 list (or top 20 or 30?) that includes P. Diddy as an artist...good luck!

Anyone who consider Puffy a legand doesn't know squat about Hip Hop. Puffy is an example of a commerically succesfull business man. Like Master P, he built something and made a name for himself, while earning tonnes of money by signing good talent to his label. That's his accomplishment. He was able to get the right people to work for him, and made money off them -- and for them. A legand ? Not by a long shot. People don't remember the rich execs that made money off the hard work of artists. They remember the artists themselves, because it's the music that stands the test of time.

The only thing puffy's gonna be remembered for is, that wack dance of his...and his sense of dressing -- which i have to admit, itsn't half bad.

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Originally posted by Orko and if you believe that Em is the cause of kids being exposed to violence, get real. What cartoons did you watch as a kid? every one of them has violence in it. Every cartoon has a conflict, which is usually resolved with some sort of battle/violence. Yes its fantasy, and therefore we know its not real, but so is his music, Eminem always states that in his interviews. he says stuff just to get a rise out of people. Think outside the box buddy, and stop listening to the media.

i am not only accusing eminem, but also other sources that promote violence. and when i was a kid, i didnt care wat kind of violence i was exposed to, because i knew wat was right and wrong, so i could make my own decisons. even in elementry/high skool, whenevr there were fights i didnt join the crowd who cheered "fight fight fight", i just walked away. so therefore i dont get exposed to anything that i think is wrong.

even with the warning signs on the albums, it has no effect on children, they get to listen to it anyways. so not only eminem, but also other sources that expose violence etc. to children, must be taken away from them. most parents dont know what their children do behind their backs, which is another problem. but anyways thats my opinion on eminem, rap, and other sources liek such.

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Originally posted by djshan link no the work

sorry..try this..kind of an amusing read
http://www.eurweb.com/articles/head...82908112004.cfm

It's not a good track!!

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Originally posted by DigitalMP Not to take any credit from Deep Dish, but PD's vocals made that track what it is.

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