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Originally posted by torontotrance Listen to what you want and stfu

Wow... someone who actually understands how pointless flaming each other is, even though 70% of the topics [are/end up] in flaming wars.

I've given that up for the most part. I'll listen to what I want and if people hate it, so be it.

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Originally posted by torontotrance I've given that up for the most part. I'll listen to what I want and if people hate it, so be it.

Yeah I noticed you seemed to give up on arguing w/ people. I browse this forum a lot, but choose not to post because well, there are too many idiots here that ignore what you say and start flamin ya just because they like something else or don't agree. I personally listen to everything [in the EDM scene that is], trance a bit more than anything else, but still everything.

I'm not denying my past, it was pathetic at times but we've all done things that we regret. I'm tired of lameass arguments, my threads won't change based on other's arguments.

Oh I'm not sayin' that what you're doing is a bad thing, it's probably good, saves you some time.

I'm with Radagast. I just don't see a point in listening to what we call trance. Most of it is kiddie uplifting bollocks that follows the same pattern. But that's just my opinion.

(btw, yes, I'm a proghead after listening to EDM for just 1 year)

I'm also with radagast.

After listening to trance for 4 years the recent stuff just doesn't interest me in the least

I've found a new love, it's called....techno

Yet I'm still on this forum

Oh yes! TECHNO!

The stuff Carl Cox plays anyway. :P 3-deck layered bliss.

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Originally posted by Radagast If you want to call me musically elite, knowledgeable, or alternative because I listen to many genres of EDM and non-EDM, you're welcome to do so. I'm done arguing though. You can have the last word if you want.

No, you think you are those things because you've had the sudden revelation that trance is formulaeic, kiddy and whatever the hell else you want to think. You're not just saying "trance no longer appeals to me", you're saying "trance is crap because it's simplistic and formulaeic". And that's quite frankly bullshit. You don't stop liking a type of music because you realise it isn't fucking Mozart, unless you're elitist, which you evidently are.

I personally listen to all sorts of music, from epic-trance to ambient, to nu-metal and classical, with just about every form of EDM thrown in. Some genres I don't like, but I'll happily admit to listening to Sash!, Limp Bizkit, Eminem and 2 Unlimited, not because I think they're inspired music-making, but because I enjoy their music. And anyone who thinks I should be flamed for liking those artists can go fuck themselves right now.

I don't know where you've been, but I remember when there were threads popping up rather consistently about how trance sucks and progressive is what true EDM lovers listen to.

i listen to prog trance, prog house, deep house, trance, drum & bass, progressive breaks
and i've heard a good electro song in a cd shop in Japan, and i've heard a good D&B song on xm radio and I actively seek out songs of all genres

oh yeah, I also found out about an uplifting pop/rock song when I was in Taiwan. It's pretty good.

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Originally posted by Omegasox I don't know where you've been, but I remember when there were threads popping up rather consistently about how trance sucks and progressive is what true EDM lovers listen to.

True EDM lovers listen to EDM and don't pigeonhole themselves.

check out...

lawnchair generals, jacob london, mark farina, diz, derrick carter, dj heather...

Also, check out...

Richard "Humpty" Vission, Luke Slater, Erol Alkan, Tiga, Freaky Flow, Bad Boy Bill, DJ Bam Bam, Miguel Migs, Felix Da Housecat, Olav Basoski, Roger Sanchez, Dave Clarke, Richie Hawtin, Mixmaster Mike, Q-bert, DJ Shadow, Kid Koala.

?why? I don't know.

theres elitists in every type of genre its just narrowminded being like that.
for some reason people that like techno dont like trance
people that like trance bash hard house theres no need for it.

Re: elitists

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Originally posted by mndeg what is it with elitists that think trance is like pop? Do they NOT listen to trance or what? They couldn't name a real trance song and still think its pop. how can they listen to only techno/house/psy/D&B ? imo elitists are worse than newbies because they are both equally ignorant

Whats wrong with pop?

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Originally posted by torontotrance Listen to what you want and stfu

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Originally posted by aspergian I like a lot of music, including mainstream rap. I liked Wu-Tang Clan when they were "underground" and I like them after they "blew up" and got the "bling whales" . He he. The other day, I was gr00vin' to a subliminally-played version of Nelly's "Iz U" -- you know, that song that makes catchy use of a sample of The People's Court theme. And it made me think of... the plaintiff and the defendant! As in, are our musical tastes on trial here? Why can't we have more freakin' fun?? I don't like the attitudes of technosnobs or classical music snobs or whatever, but they do serve a role -- warning the rest of us to be more openminded and diverse in our approaches to music or end up cranky and whiny like them! I'd like to hear more trance-hop and I think maybe Hybrid will do this on their next album. We already have trance 'n' bass and breaktrance, and slowing down the BPM and infusing some of that hypnotic goodness as slightly been touched on by Timbaland and a few other producers. We gotta remember that these musical divisions are largely arbitrary, and a "necessary evil" of accessibility and convenience. You can't just bash a whole genre because like the infinite worm, where does it end and where does it begin? We're all interconnected and house with added arpeggios is trancey or techno with a supersaw riff comes *too* close anyway. "Trance" itself may be likened to all the kinds of dogs . . . they come in all sorts of sizes & shapes. :P

Word man. You and I have the exact same outlook. Especially in your other post where you said you love to find that diamond in the rough.

I am a firm beleiver that, with ALL the music out there, there is a son gin EVERY genre that EVERY person would like. (As long as they give said song a chance). I guarantee there is a polka song out there that, if you were to listen to it with an open mind, you;d say "Wow... that's pretty damn good." It's just that most people won't even give that genre a chance, whether it be polka, country, rap, trance, etc. There are thousands of genres and billions of songs out there. And there are some people who only listen to 1 or 2 genres? Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Word man. You and I have the exact same outlook. Especially in your other post where you said you love to find that diamond in the rough. I am a firm beleiver that, with ALL the music out there, there is a son gin EVERY genre that EVERY person would like. (As long as they give said song a chance). I guarantee there is a polka song out there that, if you were to listen to it with an open mind, you;d say "Wow... that's pretty damn good." It's just that most people won't even give that genre a chance, whether it be polka, country, rap, trance, etc. There are thousands of genres and billions of songs out there. And there are some people who only listen to 1 or 2 genres? Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

Amen

I gave country a chance but I cannot stand it. There is something about it that just bothers me. I have no problem with people liking it but if someone plays it in a room, I normally just get up and leave.

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Originally posted by torontotrance I gave country a chance but I cannot stand it. There is something about it that just bothers me. I have no problem with people liking it but if someone plays it in a room, I normally just get up and leave.

However, I'd be correct in assuming that you have not heard EVERY country song, right? So you really don't know if there is a country song out there that you'd dig. I for one like that Leann Rhymes song... don't know the name of it, but I dig it. Yes, I'm sure there's even a FL breaks tune out there that you'd dig.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 However, I'd be correct in assuming that you have not heard EVERY country song, right? So you really don't know if there is a country song out there that you'd dig. I for one like that Leann Rhymes song... don't know the name of it, but I dig it. Yes, I'm sure there's even a FL breaks tune out there that you'd dig.

Well if there is one of each genre that I would like, I still have not heard it. I'm not trying to be l33t, country bothers me, it's something about it that I have yet to explain (kinda like coupland's idiocy, don't know why but you know he is).

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Originally posted by Radagast Also, check out... Richard "Humpty" Vission, Luke Slater, Erol Alkan, Tiga, Freaky Flow, Bad Boy Bill, DJ Bam Bam, Miguel Migs, Felix Da Housecat, Olav Basoski, Roger Sanchez, Dave Clarke, Richie Hawtin, Mixmaster Mike, Q-bert, DJ Shadow, Kid Koala. ?why? I don't know.

Richard "Humpty" Vission = shit house.

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Originally posted by torontotrance I gave country a chance but I cannot stand it. There is something about it that just bothers me. I have no problem with people liking it but if someone plays it in a room, I normally just get up and leave.

The thing with country music is you need to be in the proper setting to get into it. For example, I find it very hard to enjoy country music in the urban areas and in town where I live. You almost need to live in the rural farmlands or way out somewhere remote like that. My grandma lives on a farm and when I would go down there, I'd listen to a little country music and I seemed to enjoy it better out there. Not that I'm a hardcore country fan, because I'm not. I like the odd song here and there, but I thought I'd just share that.

my 2 cents (basically worth nothing anywhere in the world)

I find elitist stuff always revolves around "what's best?"... it's like a status thing: "music isn't worthy of being loved (or liked, or whatever u wanna say) unless it's meaningful". I've found myself doing that a few times in the various music's I've been into, but it's always meant I'm losing interest in the music and getting more interested in my opinion of it...

Anyway, if I like something, what's the point in not liking it just cuz someone said "it sucks"? or vice versa? One of the things I REALLY love (or like, or whatever u wanna say) about Trance and most EDM is that the dancefloor has the final say for me... if it works, I just KNOW it, regardless of my "opinion".

That said, I gotta admit I usually listen to most Trance when working... but even then I'm listening more with my body than my ears, unlike most music. that sure looks stupid as i re-read it; oh well...

Some elitists would probably say they're just selective... hmmm... "selective" is one word for those who criticise people's taste in music... but there are others.

0rb

ps ~ i remember some jazz guy saying "i can't hear this note"... wasn't meaning it was bad note, just that he couldn't put it in context of the melody... i think that's how i am with most country and folk... i just can't hear it, even tho others have no problem with it.

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