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Originally posted by Special_K ummmmm. Sounds to me like you ARE baseing that statement on what you read on tranceaddict. thats exactly what it says, unless you worded that last comment wrong. but whatever. and to the comment made by wraith, I really hope you dont see TA as the be all end all when it comes to info on international electronic music scenes, cause it dosnt even come close.

What I meant to say was that I have read enough threads to compare the USA to Holland, in matters of people liking trance or not.

I never claimed that I know exactly what's going on in the USA, because I don't.

Hope this clears things up a bit...

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Originally posted by Special_K and back to the DJ issue for a second i said it before but im ganna be a bit more harsh now, If you get asked to play at a top 40 club, and you spin trance, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU TAKE THE GIG??. One thing i have learned in the many years i have been playing is that forcing music on people, no matter what the genre will NEVER WORK. This is the fisrt time i will say how SHOCKED i am to read so many threads about amature trance or house dj's going to a gig and playing hip-hop or top 40 at the last min. This entire summer i held a residency at one of the nicest lounges in the city i live in, the place was VERY expensive so i was playing for very wealthy 40'somthing crowd (very hard crowd to read) Most people loved it, some hated it, not once did i comprimise my style, not once did i play somthing i didnt want to. If at any point the owner would have asked me to play some hip-hop or top 40 or anything i didnt actually play i would have packed up and left. You got to stay true to your shit, otherwise whats the point?

I agree 100%. Beautifully said.

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Originally posted by Special_K Oh ya and most of you who are all against "grinding" (god knows why) ya its probably cause you've never even done it before, Im sorry but if im on the dance floor and a hottie wants to grind.....no fucking way im saying no, i dont care what kinda music is playing. haha because having hot girls dry hump you is such a horrible experience LOL......

I explained how grinding and it popularity has beeen a cause for certain forms of EDM to flourish. In particular, why trance can not be embraced by horny white boys in middle america.

Please re-read what I said. You are not reading carfully and as a result are drawing improper conclusions from the statements.

Dave, maybe if you quit throwing around the phrase "horny white boys in middle america", people may respond in a different tone. There are no need for comments like that and you know it. Also, telling people they have a "warped" mind gets you nowhere either. That sounds like junior high school name calling. I think it is you who needs to think about what they write a wee bit more. I cannot fully respect you or your replies until you learn to stop the irrelevant and assumption-based comments. You must not have seen the Bad News Bears. "Gentlemen, do not ASSUME anything. That way, you won't make and ASS out of U or ME."

A lot of what you just agreed with, I had mentioned, with logic, a few pages back, so do not tell me I can't give thought-out responses (I know that comment was directed towards me).

Anyway, I do agree that clubbing should be about the music to an extent, but it is also about having a good time. If you go simply to listen for that perfect song and that is all you do, no dancing, no nothing, then why go clubbing at all? If this is the case, tune into ASOT or download the sets and listen at your leisure at home. However, please realize that not everyone gets as logically deep in the music as you. To them, music is music, not a 14 page classical piece with all the accidentals and key changes to mind boggle a person. To them, the club experience is about having a good time in whatever ways they choose.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue I cannot fully respect you or your replies until you learn to stop the irrelevant and assumption-based comments.

Conversely, I can not AGREE with you or your replies until you learn to to think about what EDM and being a DJ means. [ PERIOD ]


*NOTE* THE TERM I USED WAS AGREE NOT REPSECT BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERYONE DESERVES RESPECT.

ONCE AGAIN, YOU AGE IS SHOWN IN YOUR POST. WHEN YOU ARE MATURE ENOUGH TO POST INTELLEGENTLY, BUT UNTIL THEN, STICK TO YOUR MATH HOMEWORK, AND LEAVE THIS CONVERSATION TO ADULTS.

[ End of Discusion ]

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Originally posted by davepiazza Conversely, I can not respect you or your replies until you learn to to think about what EDM and being a DJ means. [ PERIOD ] [ End of Discusion ]

You are so full of it, it's ridiculous. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TRANCE DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES. You are being so naiive in your assumptions that your head is up your ass tight. Maybe you should think about relocating to Europe if you honestly feel this way. Just because you worship the big trance dj's on the highest pedastal possible, does not make you knowledgable about other genres of dance music and other types of dj's. GROW UP, KID.

Also, what right do you have to tell me about my knowledge of dj'ing and dance music. You have none. So, your excuses are weak and need some adjustment.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Just because you worship the big trance dj's on the highest pedastal possible, does not make you knowledgable about other genres of dance music and other types of dj's. GROW UP, KID.

And your PhD in Electronic Dance Music certifies your opinion.


And please stop talking to me like a child because we all know who is a really the teenager here. I think I hear the school bell ringin johnny....

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Also, what right do you have to tell me about my knowledge of dj'ing and dance music. You have none.

No. Based on your replies to this topic we can all see you limited knowledge of dj'ing and dance music. Unlike the others who have posted intellegent and thoughful comments you continue to try to attack me and not the issue.

AS a result:

I can not AGREE with you or your replies until you learn to to think about what EDM and being a DJ means. [ PERIOD ]

If you two actually care about someone else's opionion, here's mine:

I think the both of you need to relax. This way, everybody thinks nobody is right and there will never be an understanding.

People are different, and will always be different.

And Dave: Please think about what you are saying...

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I can not AGREE with you or your replies until you learn to to think about what EDM and being a DJ means. [ PERIOD ]

There is more to EDM than just TRANCE. House is EDM too, just like electro, techno, etc...

And house can bring up the same emotions as trance, although that seems to be a bit hard for you to understand.

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Originally posted by djxtension There is more to EDM than just TRANCE. House is EDM too, just like electro, techno, etc... And house can bring up the same emotions as trance, although that seems to be a bit hard for you to understand.

I never said lets eliminate everything execept for trance. I dont understand this inmpression derived from my statements.

What I tried to explain was why I beleived trance was not as accpeted as other forms of EDM. NOT why trance is king and everything else sucks.


I beleive that certain genres of EDM provides a unique feeling and emotion. Yes. House can lift you up but there is something disticntivly differnent, imo , in the characteristics of the eupjoric feeling in house vs. prog. vs trance vs hard trance.

Yes they are all good, but in my mind each is like a different color of the rainbow. each experession a diffenent sound, different message ect. Yes like colors there can be variation ; such as dark blue or light blue ( i.e. uplifting house , vocal house , etc.) However the color remians the same.


As I said before my comments were to explain why trance is not big in clubs within the USA. I tried to explain the cultural and social values present in these clubs. I also tried to explain why certian forms of edm work well in this context.

I did not say that trance is king and everyhting else sucks.


Please let us debate the issue I brought up.


Thank you

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza I never said lets eliminate everything execept for trance. I dont understand this inmpression derived from my statements. What I tried to explain was why I beleived trance was not as accpeted as other forms of EDM. NOT why trance is king and everything else sucks. I beleive that certain genres of EDM provides a unique feeling and emotion. Yes. House can lift you up but there is something disticntivly differnent, imo , in the characteristics of the eupjoric feeling in house vs. prog. vs trance vs hard trance. Yes they are all good, but in my mind each is like a different color of the rainbow. each experession a diffenent sound, different message ect. Yes like colors there can be variation ; such as dark blue or light blue ( i.e. uplifting house , vocal house , etc.) However the color remians the same. As I said before my comments were to explain why trance is not big in clubs within the USA. I tried to explain the cultural and social values present in these clubs. I also tried to explain why certian forms of edm work well in this context. I did not say that trance is king and everyhting else sucks. Please let us debate the issue I brought up. Thank you

I think it might have been just the way it was stated earlier. However, what you are saying does make sense. It may not really be accurate (at least in my opinion) but they are well drawn out conclusions. So anyways, to each their own

and oh yea, I'm right

Mna i love going to skeezy top 40 bars with big groups of friends, so much fun, Just get wasted and watch the skanks wooooooooo!!!

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza No. Based on your replies to this topic we can all see you limited knowledge of dj'ing and dance music. Unlike the others who have posted intellegent and thoughful comments you continue to try to attack me and not the issue. AS a result: I can not AGREE with you or your replies until you learn to to think about what EDM and being a DJ means. [ PERIOD ]

Is that so? Give some examples, because I fail to see why you seem to know this so clearly. I'm not attacking you personally, understand that, I'm attacking what you say in your posts, which have little coherence to me.

You think simply because you listen to trance and want trance accepted in clubs more, that you have a plethora of knowledge that I don't have. Can I please enter whatever dreamworld you are living in?

I have talked to you like a child because your posts reflect just that. You call people "horny white boys from middle america" and say that certain people can't dance. How mature dude. I may be younger than you, but I'm not the one who tries to pigeonhole people with comments like above. Being a teenager has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Why do you bring nonsense like that up?

Your last paragraph about not agreeing with me makes no sense. Who are you to dictate what EDM and dj'ing means to me? I would really like an answer to that. If you can't answer that, either put up or shut up. It's your choice, bud.

Honestly, I think you are getting WAAAAAYYYYYY too deep and melodramatic into such as simple subject. What you want to get across and what is typed down in your posts seems to get lost somewhere.

You did try to explain why trance is not accepted so much at clubs in the US, and I applaud you for your efforts. However, you make so many general assumptions about people, music, and lifestyles that come out sounding negative and narrowminded to me.

I've already offered my 2 cents to the ORIGINAL topic a few pages back and people seem to agree with me. I'm not re-typing it for shits and giggles, so if you want to know my views on the topic, go back and re-read. It's been laugh out loud hilarious to debate back and forth with you and for some of the things you pulled from God knows where, but it no longer is worth it. I'm done debating because frankly, you refuse to take into consideration my criticisms of your arguements and obviously you can't take a step back and re-read your own discussions, as many people have pointed out.

P.S. - I'll say it again, the moral of this thread is that house owns trance both in the groove department and in the danceablility factor, and that is why in the US at least, house is preferred for clubs over trance. People like to enjoy themselves when clubbing, so naturally, they want a music that can do just that.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Honestly, I think you are getting WAAAAAYYYYYY too deep and melodramatic into such as simple subject. What you want to get across and what is typed down in your posts seems to get lost somewhere.

If this is your feelings on this topic than I should cease to discuss this matter any further. Obviously the difference in our maturity and knowledge on the subject has made you believe this.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue You did try to explain why trance is not accepted so much at clubs in the US, and I applaud you for your efforts. However, you make so many general assumptions about people, music, and lifestyles that come out sounding negative and narrowminded to me.

You have yet to convince me of the inacccuracies in my statements. Again you make a simple 1 sentence rebutal ( as seen above) to a 1 page statement of cause and effect.

In the adult world of communication/debate a vaild defense of ones arguements stems from a detailed deconstruction of another[s]. Thus if I say " horny white boy" you must prove me wrong in stating such. However, you fail to do so. Obviously a boys desire to grind on a womens body is the definition of not an example of being horny. If there is anyhting wrong with this statement it is the inclusivity I made towards one race ; white boy.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Being a teenager has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

It does because it gives me reason and/or understanding to your comments, your point of view, and your maturity on this subject.


I have given you the opportunity to debate the subject and change my mind. I was trying to be fair and open minded. However, you failed in this reguard. The only thing you did accomplish, though, was to anger me personally with your attacks on me.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue P.S. - I'll say it again, the moral of this thread is that house owns trance both in the groove department and in the danceablility factor, and that is why in the US at least, house is preferred for clubs over trance. People like to enjoy themselves when clubbing, so naturally, they want a music that can do just that.

I di not understand how this statment relates to the topic. Maybe your reading comprenshion is not at par. Let me summarize for you the topic

trance is a very difficult music genre to be accpeted in the clubs in USA.
I gave 3 detailed reasons as to why.



Your role, as an intellegent EDM fan , should have been to deconstuct my three reasons and prove to my the inaccuries.

You did not.

You only stated what you beleived and attacked me. And than further attacked trance music ( why I dont know ).


Again please read this slowly

I can not AGREE with you or your replies until you learn to to think about what EDM and being a DJ means. [ PERIOD ]

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza If this is your feelings on this topic than I should cease to discuss this matter any further. Obviously the difference in our maturity and knowledge on the subject has made you believe this. You have yet to convince me of the inacccuracies in my statements. Again you make a simple 1 sentence rebutal ( as seen above) to a 1 page statement of cause and effect. In the adult world of communication/debate a vaild defense of ones arguements stems from a detailed deconstruction of another[s]. Thus if I say " horny white boy" you must prove me wrong in stating such. However, you fail to do so. Obviously a boys desire to grind on a womens body is the definition of not an example of being horny. If there is anyhting wrong with this statement it is the inclusivity I made towards one race ; white boy. It does because it gives me reason and/or understanding to your comments, your point of view, and your maturity on this subject. I have given you the opportunity to debate the subject and change my mind. I was trying to be fair and open minded. However, you failed in this reguard. The only thing you did accomplish, though, was to anger me personally with your attacks on me. I di not understand how this statment relates to the topic. Maybe your reading comprenshion is not at par. Let me summarize for you the topic trance is a very difficult music genre to be accpeted in the clubs in USA. I gave 3 detailed reasons as to why. Your role, as an intellegent EDM fan , should have been to deconstuct my three reasons and prove to my the inaccuries. You did not. You only stated what you beleived and attacked me. And than further attacked trance music ( why I dont know ). Again please read this slowly I can not AGREE with you or your replies until you learn to to think about what EDM and being a DJ means. [ PERIOD ]

Yap, Yap, Yap. There you go again. Round and round the world turns, and we have no idea when little Davie will stop talking or reply to posts sensibly.

This is all so funny to me because of how defensive you get on the topic. I like house over trance, get over it. My maturity level has absolutely nothing to do in this discussion, and I am probably more rounded than you are. It is about you trying to grasp what I am saying. Obviously, you cannot do this. You seem so fucking selfish and ignorant on this whole issue it is ridiculous. Get a life, meet girls, go party, get drunk, do something other than mope because your precious "trance" is not getting the recognition you think it deserves.

I asked you, WHO GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO THINK YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT I KNOW AND WHAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT DANCE MUSIC AND DJ'ING? I also asked you to put up or shut up, but you chose directly not to answer that question and replied with a bunch of bullshit again.

I don't have anything to prove to you. Your comments have absolutely no sensible reasons involved. You are now simply throwing shit out of your ass with the assumptions.

Damn, I guess we can really see what sort of an elitist you are, as you blatently bash other genres and people. You like to judge people, and you've made that abundantly clear.

Like I said before, you are way overthinking this simple topic and it's getting you nowhere. Jesus, it's not a rocket-science concept, but it must be to you.

WHY CAN'T YOU ACCEPT THAT PEOPLE DISLIKE TRANCE AND THAT PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH YOU? That is your problem and you need to get over it real quick. You talk about your maturity, how is that mature?

I LIKE HOUSE, YOU LIKE TRANCE, and that has nothing to do with maturity and knowledge. Any gimp could figure out that it is about tastes and preferences.

I still take offense to the "white boy" cracks. Can you not see how ignorant and stereotyped your statements on that are? There was no need for such comments and you know that.

AGAIN, PLEASE READ THIS SLOWLY:

What makes you think you have the right to tell me what understanding of dance music and dj'ing I have and what I don't have. That's the question right there and you can't seem to conjure up an answer to that.

Dammit, my role in this thread is now done. I agree to stop this debate, unless of course Dave wants to continue? My points are not getting through and they probably never will and vise versa.

Dave, all I have to say is good luck with your dilemma of trance music and clubs in the US.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue I LIKE HOUSE, YOU LIKE TRANCE, and that has nothing to do with maturity and knowledge. Any gimp could figure out that it is about tastes and preferences.

Again you are not understanding what I am saying.


I like all forms of EDM!! ALL. Please show me where I said house or other forms of EDM suck. Please, becuase I am getting exhausted of you making claims about something I did not say.


My post was to explain why trance does not work well in clubs in america.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue What makes you think you have the right to tell me what understanding of dance music and dj'ing I have and what I don't have.

Based on your posts I and others can infer your understanding and knowledge of EDM; one which seems to be very limited. I say this becuase you have yet to debate me on the issue at hand. Which is my ratioanle for WHY I BELIEVE TRANCE DOES NOT WORK IN CLUBS IN THE USA. This is inaddition to your unabaiting habit of attacking me whilst not addressing the topic.


I will give you one more chance.

Prove me wrong and explain to me why my 3 points in explaining why trance not being suitable in a US club are false and/or inaccurate. Please take as much detal as needed.


I eagerly await your response.


Thank you

Please clarify the 3 reasons you've set forth. I will not re-read all the above bullshit to find them. I have better things to do, unlike you. If you want me to answer, provide them again and state them as clear and concise as you can get.

You still cannot tell me what I know and don't know about dance music. How can you base your entire arguement about that on what I post on a message board. God, you really are naiive. You don't know me personally, you don't know my musical background, and you have no idea what kinds of music and artists I have in my collection. That discussion is closed. You know what, why don't you buy yourself a plane ticket and fly yourself out to PA and we can discuss this face to face? Are you up for that?

^^^^^^

I am actually flying into philly on Sept.20 to meet up w/. my sister becuase we are both going to go see tiesto in central park in NYC.

Please PM me if you want to meet up in downtown philly

Dave, you know what? Ignore my last post completely.

No, I will not continue this debate. I am done, but apparently I've pissed you, your dog, and your mom off enough for you to want to continue. I don't have the time to write a 50-fucking page essay explaining myself. I feel SO DAMN SORRY for you that you cannot let this debate die. It takes a man to explain myself to the level you apparently require, but it takes an even bigger man to back down and say no. That is something even your maturity level cannot handle and I hope you can eventually get over what ever your little problem is.

Like I said, I do not have to prove myself to you and especially you. You my man, I'm assuming you are one anyway, are not worth the hassle. That doesn't mean I can't debate you, and that's not to say I'd lose or win. I simply don't have the time or the energy to continue this discussion with you. However, with the existing arguement, I'm will not say you win because you haven't. I will not say I win because haven't either. The statements being tossed around by both of us are not getting through on either end and I really don't think either of us cares anymore what the other thinks.

You keep harping on about maturity this, maturity that. Well, if you are so hellbent on being mature, lets see you step it up and end this pointless discussion. I am being a mature adult here. Are you?

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Dave, you know what? Ignore my last post completely. No, I will not continue this debate. I am done, but apparently I've pissed you, your dog, and your mom off enough for you to want to continue. I don't have the time to write a 50-fucking page essay explaining myself. I feel SO DAMN SORRY for you that you cannot let this debate die. It takes a man to explain myself to the level you apparently require, but it takes an even bigger man to back down and say no. That is something even your maturity level cannot handle and I hope you can eventually get over what ever your little problem is. Like I said, I do not have to prove myself to you and especially you. You my man, I'm assuming you are one anyway, are not worth the hassle. That doesn't mean I can't debate you, and that's not to say I'd lose or win. I simply don't have the time or the energy to continue this discussion with you. However, with the existing arguement, I'm will not say you win because you haven't. I will not say I win because haven't either. The statements being tossed around by both of us are not getting through on either end and I really don't think either of us cares anymore what the other thinks. You keep harping on about maturity this, maturity that. Well, if you are so hellbent on being mature, lets see you step it up and end this pointless discussion. I am being a mature adult here. Are you?

Obviously I am dealing with a child here ( you argued with me about pointless sh!t rather than debate me on the issue and had the nerve to even attack my character).

I am done talking to children.

Thank you for your time and wasting mine.


Best of luck to you.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Obviously I am dealing with a child here ( you argued with me about pointless sh!t rather than debate me on the issue and had the nerve to even attack my character). I am done talking to children. Thank you for your time and wasting mine. Best of luck to you.

Whatever dude, if that's what you think, to each their own. Oh, I'm very glad I wasted your time, someone had to and I did. Again, good luck with your dilemma about trance music and clubs. I'm sure you'll need it, judging by what you said. Hell, maybe your sister can give you a few pointers and help you cope with whatever problem you are obviously going through. And I am done talking to people who refuse to respond logically and who make bastardizing generalizations and assumptions. Child? Nah, but hey, real nice guess though.

Oh, and since you obviously think I am a "child", do not reply to any of my posts or threads in the future since I "can't" debate up to your elite standards. Again, good luck with that problem of yours, and I hope you can fix your attitude for future posts.

You guys have way to much time on your hands.

Hey how about you both get a job or do something creative instead of pissing away all your time arguing over opinions. Seriously, the argument has spun way off of the topic and the last 8 post have been b/w you two. If you guys want to continue this "LIVELY" discussion that you seem to think is so worthwhile exchange numbers or MSN names and take it up there.

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Originally posted by Wraith Hey how about you both get a job or do something creative instead of pissing away all your time arguing over opinions. Seriously, the argument has spun way off of the topic and the last 8 post have been b/w you two. If you guys want to continue this "LIVELY" discussion that you seem to think is so worthwhile exchange numbers or MSN names and take it up there.

...Which is exactly why I decided to stop debating him. BTW, I do have a part-time job and have been employed for a year now. Tonight just happened to be a night off for me. I've said all I have to say on this matter, so no further discussion will be done on my part.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza ^^^^^^ I am actually flying into philly on Sept.20 to meet up w/. my sister becuase we are both going to go see tiesto in central park in NYC. Please PM me if you want to meet up in downtown philly

There, see, he will be in Philly. Yall can hang out, shake hands and go hit up a techno club. Everybodys happy.

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