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Originally posted by Tordan Most of them expect to be treated like princesses by everyone, like the world owes them something.

You just hit the nail right on the head there, Ben. 90% of girls between the age of 15-20 think this way. And people ask why I have a hard time establishing a long term relationship.

Looks like I'm going to be single until I'm 25.

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Originally posted by Tordan Yeah, maybe it's time they taught men how to be men again.

It's too true to be funny! For all the bullshit talk that we hear about improving children's self-esteem, we're programmed at a very early age to have none whatsoever. We're told that we're all unconsciously sexist racist bigots and no matter how hard we try to overcome these emotional obstacles, it's hopeless. No matter what we say, there is always someone who might be offended, and if they're offended then we are in the wrong. We must always be careful what we say and who we say it too because it just *might* somehow be inappropriate.

Years ago I talked to this female psychologist who tried to give me a 30-minute lecture on how men are all fucked up because they're taught not to express their emotions as openly as women, and it all builds up and turns us into mental patients. Nowhere did she leave room for the possibility that perhaps we don't HAVE these emotions to express, that perhaps there is - oh my god! - some sort of BIOLOGICAL difference between men and women that might account for our emotional differences!!

All I could keep thinking for as long as this garbage went on was, my god, I feel so sorry for the men that have actually listened to this, and continue to become even more fucked up but still think they're being "cured" of some "disease". This one university-educated, career-motivated woman's inane drivel coupled with her total inability to put together any rational argument to support her conclusions despite her obviously extensive education was, I think, what really opened my eyes to the horrible junk science of the social workers and the academic world at large. It's always the do-gooders that hurt us the most.

Maybe some day, people will start to realize that boys and girls need each other and aren't really engaged in a war of the sexes. We can only hope...

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Originally posted by DigiNut It's always the do-gooders that hurt us the most.

Exactly, which completely ties into the junk food post and why i'm against banning it.

(tatgirl speaking)

Whats wrong with society today is the whole 'if u smack your kid you're commiting child abuse' crap. These kids today grow up with NO discipline at all, and we're seeing the result of it now. We grew up with lots of discipline, and even tho it sucked, we grew up knowing our place and respecting our elders.

Yup, most people these days need a good smack in the mouth, not just the kids.

So true. Where are the beatings w the baseball bat that I used to get? KIDDING.
Discipline IS needed though, fucking brats running around with no sense of control...

you know who dropped the ball on this one. Its the majority of the parents in todays society and the courts. These kids today need a kick in the head.

I wasnt an easy kid to raise. My parents kept me in line though. If i did anything bad, i took a beating. Now, in retrospect, i thank my parents for it. They got me where i needed to be by any means necessary. Everything i accomplished i owe it to them.

Today, hitting your child is considered child abuse. You have to make your kids sit in the corner for 10 minute. WTF is that. Kids arent scared of sitting on a chair. They are scared of a backhand or an italian mom with a slipper or wooden spoon.


Bring back the back hands!!!

hrmmmz.. should we implement this here.. ?

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Malls Nationwide Setting Curfews for Teens Fri Sep 17, 4:57 AM ET By ANITA CHANG, Associated Press Writer COLUMBUS, Ohio - It's 10 o'clock on a Friday night and all 15-year-old Sylvia Fallon wants to do is hang out with her friends at the mall. But she'll have to dodge security: Easton Town Center, like many shopping centers across the country, has a curfew for unchaperoned teens. Here, the witching hour is 9:30 p.m. At other malls, the curfew is as early as 6. Photo AP Photo "I think it's, like, annoying because what am I going to do anyway?" said Sylvia, striding briskly across the food court at 10:10, her eyes scanning the plaza for patrolling guards. "We just try to go by really fast. If you don't look them straight in the eye, it's OK," Sylvia pointed out before excusing herself. The mall, for many teens, is more than a place to spend money � it's a place to see and be seen, a place to entertain themselves, sometimes just a place to escape Mom's nagging. "Teens don't really feel like there's a lot of places for them. They don't want to hang out at home. They can't go to a bar or nightclub, obviously," said Rob Callender, senior trends manager for Teen Research Unlimited, a marketing research firm. Some malls set curfews after fights broke out among unruly teens; at other centers, it was a way to unclog the hallways for paying customers. "Hanging out in large groups, that is what we're not looking for," said Jim Craycroft, the facilities manager at Newport on the Levee in Newport, Ky., across the Ohio River from Cincinnati. The mall requires escorts after 8 p.m. except for teens going directly to a movie theater. The International Council of Shopping Centers does not keep track of how many of the country's 46,990 malls and shopping centers have curfews, but they are enforced at malls in not only Kentucky and Ohio, but also Minnesota, New York, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Georgia, Tennessee and North Carolina. According to Teenage Research Unlimited, 68 percent of 12- to 19-year-olds spend time at the mall in any given week. On average, teens spend 3 1/2 hours at the mall each week. The Mall of America in suburban Minneapolis, the country's largest retail and entertainment center, began its "parental escort policy" in 1996. "They like to hang out in big groups, they like to see their friends, but then customers couldn't walk through the hallways," said Maureen Bausch, the mall's vice president of business development. Teens 15 and younger must be accompanied by a parent or guardian 21 or older after 6 p.m. Fridays and Saturdays. One adult can escort up to 10 children. In the year before the curfew went into effect, Mall of America had about 300 incidents involving youths under 16 that required mall officials to either issue trespassing citations or call police. The year after the policy was put into place, there were two incidents, Bausch said. "You don't just say you're not welcome because they are welcome," she said. "We just welcome them with a parent," she said. Mall of America had about 10,000 youths under 16 on any Friday or Saturday night before the policy, Bausch said. Now, there are even more shoppers on those nights. Some retailers at Easton said the rule helps them maintain a more professional atmosphere. "A curfew benefits retailers mainly because we don't have a bunch of kids running around," said Matt Radici, 23, who works at the mall's T-Mobile cell phone store. "There's a lot of loitering, and cell phones are such a fashion item that they'll take the model phones, the plastic ones that don't work, because they think they're cool," he said. Some teens � 15-year-old of Sarah Creelman, for one � aren't bothered by the curfew. Sarah, who lives in the Columbus suburb of New Albany, spent the day at Easton recently, shopping and watching a movie with her neighbor and their little sisters. As lines of cars rolled by her on the bustling Friday night, Sarah said she goes to Easton about twice a month. She likes the mall, curfew or not, because it has everything � clothing stores, McDonald's, coffee shops. "I think it's fair enough," she said, "because most parents want you home at a certain time anyway."

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...us/mall_curfews

I don't think that giving kids a beating these days will help anything. If anything I think that a beating would make a kid even worse. I can understand spankings, but other that, I just think hitting your kid is totally intolerable. I just think discipline like curfews, setting rules like no phone after 9 o'clock as well as internet, those kind of things are what kids need now-a-days. I have a daughter (she's only 16 months) of my own, and the last sort of discipline that I would resort to would be beating her. No matter what she did.

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Originally posted by Ashley I don't think that giving kids a beating these days will help anything. If anything I think that a beating would make a kid even worse. I can understand spankings, but other that, I just think hitting your kid is totally intolerable. I just think discipline like curfews, setting rules like no phone after 9 o'clock as well as internet, those kind of things are what kids need now-a-days. I have a daughter (she's only 16 months) of my own, and the last sort of discipline that I would resort to would be beating her. No matter what she did.

Umm, coming from someone who's parents tried that method on me -- it doesn't work. "no phone after 9pm" "fuck you mom!" . The kid is 13 years old, what are you going to do, throw him/her out on to the street?

Not to say that was the response I gave to my parents, I actually obeyed them because I respected them. But I know many other kids who have total disrespect for their parents and that's the response they give when their parents try to "punish" them in that way.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Umm, coming from someone who's parents tried that method on me -- it doesn't work. "no phone after 9pm" "fuck you mom!" . The kid is 13 years old, what are you going to do, throw him/her out on to the street? Not to say that was the response I gave to my parents, I actually obeyed them because I respected them. But I know many other kids who have total disrespect for their parents and that's the response they give when their parents try to "punish" them in that way.

I agree with you on one front. You're right a lot of kids now do not respect their parents which is really sad. Therefore some do give the response "fuck your mom" ? But I think that respect has to be learned. If your parents are beating the shit outta you, how are you suppose to respect them? There's a little give and take with repect amongst parents and their children. But I do totally see what you're saying too. Just another aspect on things.

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Originally posted by Your Mother If there's fluff on the muff, she's old enough... -Your Mother

If there's grass on the field, play ball!

The curfew is pure bullshit. It's descrimination. If kids are loitering, then kick them out. If seniors are loitering, kick them out! Why would I as a business owner want to force potential teen customers to stay away from my store unless they had a guardian? Not ALL kids just loiter after 6.

Also, why not address the reason these kids are there in the first place? Could it be because there is absolutely nothing else to do? Why not set up all ages clubs or lower the drinking age? I dont see too many 19 year olds hanging out at malls in Canada like I do when I go to the US.

Deal with the troublemakers and keep the rest as paying customers. 95% of the kids that come into my store are great repeat customers that cause absolutely no trouble and many come in right up until close. If i were to have this rule i'd lose a few hundred dollars a day.

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Originally posted by Ashley I don't think that giving kids a beating these days will help anything. If anything I think that a beating would make a kid even worse. I can understand spankings, but other that, I just think hitting your kid is totally intolerable. I just think discipline like curfews, setting rules like no phone after 9 o'clock as well as internet, those kind of things are what kids need now-a-days. I have a daughter (she's only 16 months) of my own, and the last sort of discipline that I would resort to would be beating her. No matter what she did.

Yeeaaaah, that's going to work.



Let's hope your attitude changes within the next 2 or 3 years.

Beatings are no good... spankings are ok. I was spanked as a kid cuz i did stupid shit, and apperantly after a good spankin i would never do the same again.

when you're young, asses are meant to be spanked. pain = bad.

when you're old, asses are meant to be spanked. pain = pleasure.



come on people, i wanna see RED !!!

The funniest thing is those campaignes I see on the TTC - "Help a kid stay out of trouble, etc - join this/that group, be a mentor"... ha! Funny shit... What they really need is just ease up (by quite a lot) on that law of child abuse, spanking your child and what not and bring in the old school parenthood. That'll keep 99% of today's teens in line, and will save us zillions of dollars each year that are spent on these special programs!

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Originally posted by Nemireck If there's grass on the field, tell her to shave!

fixed

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Originally posted by DigiNut Yeeaaaah, that's going to work. Let's hope your attitude changes within the next 2 or 3 years.

So you hope that I change my attitude towards beating my child??

Right

You'll understand when you have your own children.

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Originally posted by Ashley So you hope that I change my attitude towards beating my child?? Right You'll understand when you have your own children.

There's a not-so-fine line between beating and disciplining. If your idea of discipline is cutting off phone privileges.... man.

I'm not trying to tell you how to raise your kid, but I'm also not going to smile and nod to someone who thinks that anything more than a tap on the ass is abusive. Leave that to the social workers.

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/...sexy/index.html

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/...sexy/index.html

*shakes head*

tsk tsk tsk

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Alexia brings up another tween fad: "sex bracelets." They�re cheap, colourful jelly bracelets that Alexia says carry sexual connotations: �Pink means �kiss,� blue means �blow job� and white means 'lap dance' ... If a guy pulls it off you, it means you have to do it. But most girls don�t do the stuff. They just wear them for fun. I think they look cool and they�re like fun to play with.�

I have a 12 year old niece who goes to "cyberdances" out in Alliston (they have rules like no one over 15, no re-entry, they get searched, etc.). We tease her and say, "you got your glo stix? you got your E?" Har har.

I gave my sister shit because she lets my niece go looking like a freakin' tart (I don't even look like that when I go out!). Her hair's all teased and TONNES of sparkly makeup, and my sister says, "that's how they all dress and look." I grew up with strict christian parents, so I know what it's like to be told "NO" you can't wear make up or dress like that. I think my sister is letting my niece do things she couldn't do, but this is not the day or age for that with disease rampant! When my niece comes home pregnant by 14, I will have to hold my tongue to not say "I told you so".

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