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Re: Pc

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Originally posted by Dj Spiel Well I am a PC-Tech. I suggest *Looking on Ebay* I got my best-friend a GATEWAY 1.Ghz 340 Megs Of Ram 32MB Video Card I belive a 40gig Hard Drive (or 60) I forgot. CD-Drive/CDR Total Price inculding shipping. $211.00

Umm- This one is brand new with a 1 year warranty

and it's not a gateway

Last time I will reply to any of this- sorta dumb.

340 megs of ram? lol

I would rather have 256 on a AMD 1800 or Celeron 2400

Did i mention this isnt a gateway?

anyways- Sly will make up her own mind-

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Originally posted by Slylee no i meant like the whole package...lol is that being unrealistic? ok what's the least amount of money i can spend on a decent computer?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/prod...3A86796%3A86798

238.00 for the cpu from Walmart.
You'll need a monitor so you're looking at a total of 350$

I really appreciate everyone�s advice, and coup, you are definitely right about sticking to one person. I wouldn�t know how to take advantage of all the extra stuff on some big fancy computer, so to me, spending extra $ on that stuff is a waste to me. I don�t know why, but my instincts are telling me to go w/ xkaos...I can just tell that he is on the same page as me, and knows what I want (in a computer)! lol plus he can hook it up with the software and it�ll be ready to go when I get it

it's like MERLIN said...his deal will suit my needs perfectly. I just want to have something that i can use for school work, surf the web, download stuff, burn cds....and that's it! i'm not into computer games and stuff like that.


also, i went to this student orientation recently and all of the computers at my school are apples...one of the professors was kind of joking about the whole apple vs PC and you could tell that they think apples are better for the kind of work that is done at my school. i go to the Art Institute which is obviously an art college that offers Bachelors & Associates degrees in areas like graphic design, photography, advertising, fashion & interior design, etc... so anyway, I�m going for a BS in Advertising and my area of study deals w/ the graphic design department, so I know that I will have to learn a lot in that area of study as well...I�m not sure yet which kind of programs I will need or use, but which programs do you guys predict I will be using, and how much do computer programs for stuff like that usually cost?

thanks!

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Originally posted by Slylee and how much do computer programs for stuff like that usually cost? thanks!

*cough*

I think you can get something that emulates macs on the PC-
Dont know how far along they have come now-
Dont know if you would want to do much graphic work using a mac emulator though. If you're going to be working with a lot of graphic intensive stuff you probably want to up the memory to a gig or so later.

Build your own. Its as easy as playing with legos.

Im serious too.

well i already know that i want an 80 gig HD to begin with...i know i'll need it later anyway.

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Originally posted by Slylee well i already know that i want an 80 gig HD to begin with...i know i'll need it later anyway.

Well if you have an education that will be based around a specific OS I think it would make more sense to go for the same thing.

Not to start on the whole Mac vs PC but if that's what you'll be using in school it could really be best for you to go the mac way considering the simple fact you'll have to figure out the whole Os and if you ever go in design you'll be surrounded by Mac's most of the time.

Also taking into account the education factor, considering getting a laptop should be something to consider. Unfortunately your budget would be totally different but it can be realistically close to what you are trying to achieve right now, well yes and no. You have to consider the fact you're trying to get something good for extremely cheap so that's a bit hard.
On the desktop side you could get an all integrated eMac for a starting price of around 800. A laptop around 1000.
That it for new.

You could also go the ebay route and get a :
Powermac G3 ( the older generation cpu's ) 350 Mhz you're looking at around 250 for the Cpu
Powermac G4 ( the generation previous to the current G5 ) you're looking at a 450 Mhz for around 350 400 for the cpu.
You may be wondering what the hell? The speed?
Macs have much lower processing speed but they process much more efficiently so their speeds are similar to a pc twice their speed.

To give you an idea, on a daily basis I use a G3 266 Mhz for all my design ..... it works nearly faster then some pcs that are 1 Ghz. Oh and the added advantage is that macs age real well. You don't ahve to worry about getting a new os all the time as software is generally always available for older Os's ( but there's been a jump in recent years from the regular Mac operating system to Mac Os X ).




On the pc side if you're looking at a decent machine you could cut corners and get something around 4~500 but something really usuable you're looking at about 700.

My comments are pointless to some extent as you've nearly made your decision but just thought I should share my opinion.

Oh and yes do NOT consider using a mac emulator on a pc as a viable option. The other way around maybe!

You may want to consider waiting till your program starts and see what they expect you to have computer wise.

thanks for all the info jdat...


the thing is, my school lets the students use the computers there whenever/wherever, and there are like a million labs. it�s a fairly new school and it�s very modern, so that�s why I want to get a pc..it�s more for my own personal use...the school work part I meant for like when I have to write papers, etc... my major courses that will involve designing and using the macs, I can always just stay at my school and use them there, I dunno. I�m kinda mixed now. my classes start Oct. 4 so I wasn�t planning on buying one until around then anyway, so yea, I�ll wait and see what�s up w/ my school before I buy one.

Recently ive been thinking of building a new pc, eventhough my current one still does the job. I'd sell you mine for $100 but, I have a feeling you want something new.

CyberPower is a great custom pc builder
http://www.cyberpowersystem.com/default.asp
systems start around $400 (without monitor)

About the mac, today you can get almost all the same software for both platforms and files are compatible with each other. Mac's are nice especially with OS X, but out of your price range.

Have you seen the new iMac G5 simplicity at its finest!
http://www.apple.com/imac/

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Originally posted by igottaknow Recently ive been thinking of building a new pc, eventhough my current one still does the job. I'd sell you mine for $100 but, I have a feeling you want something new. CyberPower is a great custom pc builder http://www.cyberpowersystem.com/default.asp systems start around $400 (without monitor) About the mac, today you can get almost all the same software for both platforms and files are compatible with each other. Mac's are nice especially with OS X, but out of your price range. Have you seen the new iMac G5 simplicity at its finest! http://www.apple.com/imac/

While I'm not discrediting the fact that both platforms tend to have the similar software, one must keep in mind that you are working on an environment as a whole.
I have both macs and pcs and it's extremely confusing when switching from one to another. It's odd I know but it's a question of habit. Some things I am more comfortable on windows and others I prefer on the mac.
You have to look at the bigger picture!

Re: Pc

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Originally posted by Dj Spiel Well I am a PC-Tech. I suggest *Looking on Ebay* I got my best-friend a GATEWAY 1.Ghz 340 Megs Of Ram 32MB Video Card I belive a 40gig Hard Drive (or 60) I forgot. CD-Drive/CDR Total Price inculding shipping. $211.00

lol what a shit machine. deary me. i wouldnt give that to my dog.

do they even sell 1 gig processors anymore?

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Originally posted by tranceaholic do they even sell 1 gig processors anymore?

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Originally posted by jdat While I'm not discrediting the fact that both platforms tend to have the similar software, one must keep in mind that you are working on an environment as a whole. I have both macs and pcs and it's extremely confusing when switching from one to another. It's odd I know but it's a question of habit. Some things I am more comfortable on windows and others I prefer on the mac. You have to look at the bigger picture!

you're right, i use both and I'm always hiting the ctrl key on the mac Unfortunately mac doesn't fit her budget. If she went used she could pick up a decent emac $400-600 and thats not bad considering it has a built in monitor.

Try CyberpowerPC, same as ExtremePower computers. They build to your specs (you have to consult a nerd to know what you need). Never buy something off of the shelf, they're underpowered, overpriced, and often come with proprietary hardware and software instead of compatible hardware or OEM software, like memory or actual Windows disks that you can buy much cheaper to upgrade in the hardware category or which is essential in the software category. I saw a Dell or Compaq laptop computer last year for instance which had a proprietary mouse port which means you had to buy any mouse from the MFing manufacturer instead of one off the shelf because the plug was different. I thought that was pretty extreme.
Just my feelings after buying about 25 computers.


[[[smoke]]]

Aptness - Dreamer

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Originally posted by smokeape Try CyberpowerPC, same as ExtremePower computers. They build to your specs (you have to consult a nerd to know what you need). Never buy something off of the shelf, they're underpowered, overpriced, and often come with proprietary hardware and software instead of compatible hardware or OEM software, like memory or actual Windows disks that you can buy much cheaper to upgrade in the hardware category or which is essential in the software category. I saw a Dell or Compaq laptop computer last year for instance which had a proprietary mouse port which means you had to buy any mouse from the MFing manufacturer instead of one off the shelf because the plug was different. I thought that was pretty extreme. Just my feelings after buying about 25 computers. [[[smoke]]] Aptness - Dreamer

Dell's use usb for connecting mice. My old dell xpsd333 uses the ps2 port. And your right about the proprietary software; I just hate how Dell loads all their shit onto the pc, which imo just makes the pc run slow .

dells suck - no upgradeability

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Originally posted by -=M=- dells suck - no upgradeability

Upgradeability is overated. The only upgrading the average consumer will ever do is add a hardrive, pci card, or ram. I'd be hard pressed to find any pc that doesn't allows for these modifications. In order to "upgrade" to the next generation cpu you need to replace everything inside.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Upgradeability is overated. The only upgrading the average consumer will ever do is add a hardrive, pci card, or ram. I'd be hard pressed to find any pc that doesn't allows for these modifications. In order to "upgrade" to the next generation cpu you need to replace everything inside.

werd.

oh boy .. are we getting into the pc vs the mac .

i swear .. if a pc had a mac's specs, the pc would definately rule the computer world forever ..

unfortuanetly, nothing is compatible with the mac basically .. about 30% of all programs are not compatible with the apple file system ..

what type of file system does apple have?

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Originally posted by -=M=- dells suck - no upgradeability

werd!

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Originally posted by itsTrueSonic werd!

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Originally posted by igottaknow Upgradeability is overated. The only upgrading the average consumer will ever do is add a hardrive, pci card, or ram. I'd be hard pressed to find any pc that doesn't allows for these modifications. In order to "upgrade" to the next generation cpu you need to replace everything inside.

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Originally posted by itsTrueSonic what type of file system does apple have?

under osX i think some flavor of unix

i hope no one misinterpeted my upgradeablity comments that I'm a fan of dell, sure they substitute generic parts to bring down the price and included proprietary software junk, but so do the other major manufactures.

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