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Originally posted by sisterbliss like he said, it hurts his release reputation it's his work and he should be able to have control over it. if he hasn't released it yet he has the right to be mad at someone for using his work without permission. i'm sure if you were in max's shoes you'd be saying the same thing he is

Yes of course, like i say im not condoning the releasing of illegal mp3, but i know there isnt a lot that can be done about it. It WILL happen. I just dont get why people can come on and say how its so terrible when they are sitting on a pc with probably hundreds of 'illegal' mp3. Its very strange.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee As far as the artist is concerned, and you can see it from the horses mouth here, he is concerned with HIS work. I dont think max graham gives two shits about this other guys career. He is bothered that a track which he hasnt released has been 'released' on the internet. The reasons for concern have also been outlined by him, for example he may not have totally finished working on the track, and its not ready for release in the state that its in. the means by which people come across the track is of no concern. Its the fact that people have them in the first place.

I like how you say that the reasons have been outlined by Max and then you say "for example" right after that. I think he is concerned where the track came from. He believes it was ripped from a set. BUT let's say it wasn't...wouldn't you care if someone that you sent a promo to released it? I think he would too.

This is exactly why I don't forward anything that is ever sent to me.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee I just think someone should actually point out why its so bad that this happens to max graham? anyone with even one mp3 on their computer need not attempt an answer. you ALL have mp3's on your computer, the only difference is that you dont spread it around. You still have them though, and this is what the artist is actually concerned about. So you shouldnt come on saying 'omg thats so bad' when youre sitting on a pc with a shitload of mp3 on it

Not to keep the flamewar going, but there's a difference between listening to sets and set-rips on your own personal computer, and throwing reconstructions into a mix and claiming that it's on vinyl and that you're an actual DJ.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee I just think it should be noted that all these people who are saying omg max thats sooo bad all have about 100000 mp3 on their computer. What makes it so bad that its a max graham track, just the fact that he came on complaining? There is so much hypocrisy here.

It doesn't matter if it is a track from an upcoming producer like Haak, an established producer like Max Graham, or someone like Paul van Dyk who has a lot of money already...it is wrong for someone to use an illegal rip in a set in which they are trying to promote themselves as a dj. Who knows what that guy's motives are for posting his sets. It is not that unlikely to think that he might be doing it to get his name out there considering there are a few representatives from online trance radio stations checking out the boards for new dj talent.

I don't know how Max feels about using mp3s for personal use, but I don't see any problem with it so long as you support the artist by buying the vinyl, purchasing a cd on which the track appears, or paying to see that artist live. But when you are using an illegal rip of a track to promote yourself, then I definitely think a line has been crossed.

I should of put money on it, i knew some fuckin half wit would start the whole 'It's the producers at blame' line.

Guys this isn't about standards of users on here.

This is about a producer whose music is out there and some guy is using the producers hard work (which he hasnt paid to legitmately use) to promote himself.

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Originally posted by idoru Not to keep the flamewar going, but there's a difference between listening to sets and set-rips on your own personal computer, and throwing reconstructions into a mix and claiming that it's on vinyl and that you're an actual DJ.

Yes i totally agree. I think its something to do with intelligence. We all have mp3 but most have the intelligence not to spread this fact around too much like this guy did. By all means laugh at him for being an idiot, but DONT say how its so terrible that its happened, because youre all sitting on pc's with mp3.

I bet there is someone in this thread with the max graham track in question on their pc, yet still saying how bad that is.

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Originally posted by Frase I should of put money on it, i knew some fuckin half wit would start the whole 'It's the producers at blame' line. Guys this isn't about standards of users on here. This is about a producer whose music is out there and some guy is using the producers hard work (which he hasnt paid to legitmately use) to promote himself.

Ive not blamed the producer at all. In fact ive consistently said how there is probably nothing the producer can do to stop this kind of thing from happening.

Im just amused by people saying how bad it is when they are all guilty of having mp3 on their pc.

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Originally posted by Frase I should of put money on it, i knew some fuckin half wit would start the whole 'It's the producers at blame' line.

you were spot on

now, enough of this for me

thats the point
shit happens all the time you just have to deal with it
im sure the kids starving in rwanda arent very happy about the fact theyre starving are they?
its not ethical to use it in a mix, and the guy is a retard for doing so
but its 2004, things like this happen all the time
you dont see pvd moaning about all the reconstructions and bootlegs of his tunes that are made? if anything it provides free advertising

and suddenly this max graham tune that was hitherto not spoken about gets mentioned by everyone. you couldnt get better advertising if you tried

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Originally posted by Laushinameee Ive not blamed the producer at all. In fact ive consistently said how there is probably nothing the producer can do to stop this kind of thing from happening. Im just amused by people saying how bad it is when they are all guilty of having mp3 on their pc.

Your quick to right everyone off arent you.

I have about 30-40 mp3's on my pc. However these are legitimately purchased from legal download sites or come straight from the producer direct.

The only form of what could be classed as illegal is mix sets. But i dont see them as bad as such as your not having the full track (i dont really need a full track to tell me if i like it or not) I don't agree with downloading illegal mp3's either hence why all the mp3's i have are legitimate.

But lets point it out bright spark, its not the file format its the legitimacy of the content on that file

I still fail to see how someone having a track on their PC is the same as putting it into a mix...acting like it was a purchased vinyl...and then postwhoring it all over TA in order to self promote.

I'm not open for debate on this, Laushinameee, because the basis for your debate falls on deaf ears.

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Originally posted by Frase Your quick to right everyone off arent you. I have about 30-40 mp3's on my pc. However these are legitimately purchased from legal download sites or come straight from the producer direct. The only form of what could be classed as illegal is mix sets. But i dont see them as bad as such as your not having the full track (i dont really need a full track to tell me if i like it or not) I don't agree with downloading illegal mp3's either hence why all the mp3's i have are legitimate. But lets point it out bright spark, its not the file format its the legitimacy of the content on that file

yes of course, but you would never in a million years say to me that you are in the majority on this issue. You know for a fact that 99% of TA users download illegal music and will contine to do so, even after saying how bad it is in this thread.

The guy was a spastic for using the tracks like that, i agree 100% and he deserves pretty much anything he gets just for being stupid, but I dont think what is necessary is a load of people so keen to run around spouting about how anti illegal music they are and how its such a bad thing.... maybe its to look good in front of the artist

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Originally posted by trancebrat I still fail to see how someone having a track on their PC is the same as putting it into a mix...acting like it was a purchased vinyl...and then postwhoring it all over TA in order to self promote. I'm not open for debate on this, Laushinameee, because the basis for your debate falls on deaf ears.

the artist is concerned with people having an illegal copy. Whether this be just sitting on your pc for your own 'private' use, on a file share device or on a 'set' is of little difference to the artist.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee yes of course, but you would never in a million years say to me that you are in the majority on this issue. You know for a fact that 99% of TA users download illegal music and will contine to do so, even after saying how bad it is in this thread. The guy was a spastic for using the tracks like that, i agree 100% and he deserves pretty much anything he gets just for being stupid, but I dont think what is necessary is a load of people so keen to run around spouting about how anti illegal music they are and how its such a bad thing.... maybe its to look good in front of the artist

Maybe im in the minority on this issue and i still really dont see the point in full mp3's. I buy records weekly and have severe addiction to buying vinyl, all i need is a 2 mins sample of the intro, break and outro and thats all i need.

But to be honest, if people do have illegal mp3's on their HD they don't promote about it. Unlike the person in question who thought he'd try to proove to the rest of this forum how big his balls were by having an 'exclusive' track.

Re: grrr

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Originally posted by max graham http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...%22#post3301645 not all gotten yet...

Just noticed this idiocy now. It has been cleaned up, plus I edited his sig since it was too big.

http://www2.tranceaddict.com/forums...threadid=210223

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Originally posted by Laushinameee the artist is concerned with people having an illegal copy. Whether this be just sitting on your pc for your own 'private' use, on a file share device or on a 'set' is of little difference to the artist.

So you can't respect Max's opinion, but have to flame him for having just that; his personal opinion on what's being done with his own track?

Laushinameee

give it up already. who gives a fuck. the links have already been removed and what not. just leave it alone.

this thread turned from, hey guys just to let you know, this guy used my songs from a set to promote himself
into this:

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Originally posted by Laushinameee the artist is concerned with people having an illegal copy. Whether this be just sitting on your pc for your own 'private' use, on a file share device or on a 'set' is of little difference to the artist.

I don't have a copy of this track and if I did it would ONLY be because Max sent it to me himself. Thank you very much. I have far too much respect for the man than to download his music and then spam it everywhere on the internet. Please quit assuming that you know everything when you have no idea.

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Originally posted by idoru So you can't respect Max's opinion, but have to flame him for having just that; his personal opinion on what's being done with his own track?

''this ****** is now offering to download for anyone else who wants it''

the artist is concerned with people owning the track 'illegally', not so much what they do with it ^

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Originally posted by trancebrat I don't have a copy of this track and if I did it would ONLY be because Max sent it to me himself. Thank you very much. I have far too much respect for the man than to download his music and then spam it everywhere on the internet. Please quit assuming that you know everything when you have no idea.

i wonder why the RIAA get so fucking worked up ... i mean, once there is any sort of controversy brought up all of a sudden no one touches illegal music

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Originally posted by Laushinameee ''this ****** is now offering to download for anyone else who wants it'' the artist is concerned with people owning the track 'illegally', not so much what they do with it ^

Thank you. It's his track, and he's concerned with what's going on with it. He has the right to be offended if people illegally own his work.

So what if you don't share the same opinion? He made it, thus he can be offended. Deal with it.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee ''this ****** is now offering to download for anyone else who wants it'' the artist is concerned with people owning the track 'illegally', not so much what they do with it ^

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Originally posted by max graham you know its not even the money...our whole career is based on us putting out good records...if a record comes out wrong or isnt promoted right we lose that opportunity, people ripping it and putting it on the net causes that to happen...i have played this in sets that have been made public...i guess i was too optimistic to think people would rip it out of the set... mg

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Originally posted by Laushinameee i wonder why the RIAA get so fucking worked up ... i mean, once there is any sort of controversy brought up all of a sudden no one touches illegal music

How tight is that belt around your arm?

Stay off the fuckin drugs sunshine

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Originally posted by Laushinameee the artist is concerned with people having an illegal copy. Whether this be just sitting on your pc for your own 'private' use, on a file share device or on a 'set' is of little difference to the artist.

Actually I would like to bet that an artist doesn't really care if I am listening to one of his/her tracks on a wednesday night... But I am sure ANY producer would be absolutely PISSED if I was using one of their unfinished tracks that hasn't been released to me, in a live set of my own to promote myself to anyone who may listen to my live set...

Yes, I do have a number of MP3's on my computer, and Livesets... But I don't use them in any of my DJing, nor do I ripped unreleased tracks from the livesets and use them to my benefit...

Most of the MP3's I have on my PC, I also have on Vinyl in my record box... MP3's for me are a way to sample if I like something, and if I like it, I go buy it on record... if I don't I delete it from my pc... as I am sure ALOT of TA's do aswell.. Not all, but Alot....

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Originally posted by Frase How tight is that belt around your arm? Stay off the fuckin drugs sunshine

why do people always feel the need to bring the drugs into it?
wanker

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