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Originally posted by Dateline NBC - Bin Laden half-brother breaks silence ...The bin Ladens have been called the Rockefellers of the Middle East. Yeslam and Osama's father, Mohammed bin Laden, built a $5 billion empire in one of the world's great rags to riches stories. Mohammed was an illiterate bricklayer with an innate genius for engineering, who became chief road builder to the oil rich king of Saudi Arabia. The family's fortune was secured in 1973, when the king awarded Mohammed's company, now called the Saudi bin Laden Group, one of the biggest construction contracts of all time, rebuilding the holy cities of Mecca and Medina -- a $17 billion project that is still underway. Journalist Craig Unger researched the bin Laden family for his book, "House of Bush, House of Saud."...

Weird someone would mention the Rockefellers since they had a hand in the World Trade Center.


Shadows of BCCI

yeah, no shit Rockefeller has Illuminati and NWO written all over him. start pinging on that guy.

Senator John D. Rockefeller[D] has done everything but throw the kitchen sink at Bush and wants nothing more than to boot him out of office.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X And you're not a very good punctuator, are you?

how do you mean?

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Honestly though, while you don't appear to be able to refute many of the facts laid forth here in regards to Bush and the current administration, you do seem very proficient in your ambiguity.

do you want me to refute Resonantdrag's accusation that Bush is responsible for bankrupting California? is California bankrupt?
Ken Lay, naturally, opposed rate caps. thats what makes his accusation so stupid. ResonantDrag is contradicting his own argument.
Bath's 5% stake in Arbusto means nothing. what do you want?
flying the the Saudi Royal Family out of the country has a clearer and simpler meaning than what you are looking for.

i mean keep posting garbage like that Andreas Von Buellow crap some more and shoot those down as well.

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Do you truly agree with everything that Bush and Company stands for? I just can't fathom how ANYONE (besides his sycophants) could consider Dubya to be so beyond reproach.

can you "fathom" the latest CNN/Gallup poll?

okay, well i talked to my barber today and he feels about the same as i do. this trumps your co-worker argument.

seriously, i am very guilty of over simplifing the california problems. Gray Davis was an incapable twat who had no business in that position of leadership. Sorry if i'm not the liberal you were hoping for on that subject.

but i'm curious how an energy policy that refused to place rate caps on electricity contradicts lay's desire to not have rate caps. I think you got a little ahead of yourself as well.

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California, Oregon and Washington were told, in diplomatic but clear terms, that the Bush administration will not offer any meaningful assistance with its short-term energy problems. None of the help needed by the state was offered by the President. For example, temporary price caps were not mentioned. Mandatory requirements that generators sell power were not offered. Financial relief was not proposed.

okay, i think i remember posting this

now, kenneth lay and company took advantage of an existing consumer price cap in california. this may seem strange to you, but that's okay... i'll explain. again, i'm feeling the need to keep this simple (which isn't good debating, it's closer to educating )

when consumers are not facing demand-curve pricing for electricity, they tend to not conserve power. when the largest state in the US doesn't conserve, a lot of power is used... generally creating brownouts. or wait... i already posted this stuff.

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But, according to federal regulators who studied the issue at length, it is a combination of poor regulation and crooked traders. Those with ill intent were able to capitalize on supply shortfalls and a fatally flawed market design that had curtailed power generation development and required utilities to buy from volatile spot markets. Meanwhile, regulators had capped prices to consumers, which left the state's utilities unable to recoup all of their costs, which skyrocketed with exorbitant wholesale prices. By insulating customers with fixed prices the situation was further exasperated because there was no price signal encouraging customers to conserve during high price periods.

the part placed in bold is the example of the lack of a temporary price cap. that's where california got fucked. One of Gray's problems was his inability to see clearly during these brownout emergecies. and no, california isn't bankrupt; at least as much a the US isn't bankrupt with bush's operating costs. I was speaking with regards to general business practices. You can't run a successful business with supply costs greater than returns. But you can run a government that way (the details on how we can continue to do this escape me... fuck it, that's for our children to figure out).

well, i think i've at least established that i'm not contradicting myself. this is enough for now, me thinks. I'm tired and want sleep.

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can you "fathom" the latest CNN/Gallup poll?

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
- Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by ResonantDrag The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. - Winston Churchill

and I was just about to say,

"Baahhhhhhh"

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Originally posted by Q5echo how do you mean?

to further aggrandize your mental patty-cake...

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Originally posted by Q5echo you're not a real good debater, are you?

It was a moot point, but whatever.

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Originally posted by Q5echo is California bankrupt?

Technically, America would be bankrupt if it had to follow Regulation T.

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Originally posted by ResonantDrag but i'm curious how an energy policy that refused to place rate caps on electricity contradicts lay's desire to not have rate caps. I think you got a little ahead of yourself as well.

you are over simplifying it.
you should have made yourself more clear b/c if the providers had it the way they wanted it, California would probably be bankrupt sans price caps. but they didn't. price caps were established. price caps, ultimately, are not conducive to healthy free market. your basically screwed either way. demand sure as hell wasn't gonna go down. and supply sure as hell didn't go up. who's fault is that?

look, you seem to know a lot about this. more than i.
but its still a huge leap to say

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what he did do was use his family connections to sieze power and change fiscal policies to allow for companies like enron to bankrupt california.

its like six degrees to Kevin Bacon.

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Originally posted by Q5echo its like six degrees to Kevin Bacon.

thank you... we just circled back to my original attempted point. You did in fact post sources that stated that saddam's misuse of the oil for food program went to aiding terrorists. You reinforced your claims with examples of his involvement with financial institutions that have had questionable dealings in the past. I therefore conclude, based on your reasoning, that

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its like six degrees to Kevin Bacon.

it's been a hard circle to draw, and i thank you for your help.

Have a nice day.

it's a convenient argument to equivocate Saddam's state sponsoring of terrorism and California's energy crisis. its brilliant! it speaks volumes about your character and political ideology.

like i said, its pretty easy to be a liberal blame shifter. six degrees of separation exist between you and i and you probably don't even realize it.

your welcome for wasting our time.




oh, and Trancer-X, punctuate this pal.

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Originally posted by Q5echo your welcome for wasting our time. oh, and Trancer-X, punctuate this pal.

"your" should be "you're" or "you are." That is, unless he somehow owns "welcome."

I enjoyed our time. now you're using terms like "state sponsered terrorism". you sound like a liberal

don't be mad, i was just trying to prove a point regarding the double standards practiced by the serious bush supporters. and BTW, i'm a republican, so curve your tongue naive.

cool

have a happy birthday

hope you don't have to work

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