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Posted by Chookie on Sep-29-2004 02:43:

I'm sure I read a second ago it said left side.... I was gonna make a joke about left testicle but no need to now


Posted by sezzy on Sep-29-2004 02:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Joshva
No I am not sick of uplifting trance. Sorry I do think their are plenty of new and interesting tracks out there. Especially right now


agreed


Posted by jizza on Sep-29-2004 02:50:

quote:
Originally posted by sezzy



Posted by Paulie on Sep-29-2004 02:53:

quote:
Originally posted by jizza
i love my house, my tech, my top 40 pop.



Get this man a beer!


Posted by AJS1 on Sep-29-2004 04:21:

Tend to agree with Stips on this subject.

And while I'm far from an expert. It's what I tried to avoid too much in my last set at UNIFY, (check the 'UNIFY THREAD' for my last track list).

I'll be trying to push this broader, less 'uplifting' but still driving sound at Ferry Corsten, in Nov.

Constantly mixing euphoric track after track is very draining on the crowd, you need to inject some groove and funk into it to get the floor chugging and rolling along again, it gets the crowd dancing hard and really feeling the beat, (well it does for me when I'm on the dance floor ;-)


Posted by A.J. on Sep-29-2004 04:34:

Where i disagree with people is when they say "oh, trance is so stale and original" when talking about trance in general. Let me explain. Everytime trance trys to innovate and involve, many people love the new direction but they call it something else.

For example, progressive trance and tech-trance are two different directions that trance has branched out to, and they have been very successful. Both still contain many elements of the old trance sound. I see this as an evolution of trance, a change in the typical sound. However, i have found that many people continue to see "trance" as only meaning "melodic/uplifting", and they ignore the new sound or they classify it as a different genre completely. In my opinion, trance as a genre encompasses all of these different sounds.

Melodic
Uplifitng
Tech
Progressive
Psy (to a lesser extent).


I Hope that made sense.....


Posted by sezzy on Sep-29-2004 04:37:

quote:
Originally posted by JulesPLees
I bet my left testicle in a year you will be into something different.

-werd on the probspot to there waxology.


i doubt it


Posted by muli on Sep-29-2004 04:42:

yea i know what u mean AJ.

Trance as a whole, i still enjoy, i just prefer the mroe subtle melodies or rolling basslines found in the techy stuff.

In saying that i play pure prog and tech at home, i like to just variy it all.


I still love a lot of uplifting trance, i just prefer the olders stuff.

Some new stuff that is great is Re:locate - typhoon and Katana - i a silence


Posted by JulesPLees on Sep-29-2004 04:43:

quote:
Originally posted by sezzy
i doubt it


so you gunna be in the uPLifting trance room or the house/Benassi room at 6 oclock @GK? :P


Posted by AJS1 on Sep-29-2004 04:50:

quote:
Originally posted by A.J.
In my opinion, trance as a genre encompasses all of these different sounds.

Melodic
Uplifitng
Tech
Progressive
Psy (to a lesser extent).


I Hope that made sense.....



Agreed, so therefore perhaps what's seemingly getting boring, may actually be the listener not listening to enough variety?? Or is it dj's perhaps not playing enough variety?

While not all the directions of trance at the extreme ends of each spectrum appeal to each 'trance' fan, I'm sure there are elements of each aspect to the music that people can enjoy listening to more than just the one kind of trance genre.

I think Armins last set at QBH was a pretty good example of this. Starting very proggy, uplifting at times, then into a techish section and so on. Sure kept me interested....


Posted by Chookie on Sep-29-2004 04:55:

quote:
Originally posted by AJS1
Or is it dj's perhaps not playing enough variety?


I think it is sometimes the DJ's that aren't playing enough variety, however sometimes it isn't their fault as promoters etc often tell DJ's what they have to play.
I have heard a few DJ's that play the same stuff over and over and only change a few tracks every time


Posted by sezzy on Sep-29-2004 05:07:

quote:
Originally posted by JulesPLees
so you gunna be in the uPLifting trance room or the house/Benassi room at 6 oclock @GK? :P


i don't JUST love uplifting trance. I have a varied taste at times, but my favourite is and always will be UPLIFTING TRANCE


Posted by novastorm on Sep-29-2004 05:18:

quote:
Originally posted by AJS1

Constantly mixing euphoric track after track is very draining on the crowd, you need to inject some groove and funk into it to get the floor chugging and rolling along again, it gets the crowd dancing hard and really feeling the beat, (well it does for me when I'm on the dance floor ;-)


Very true... vinylgroover came over and played binary finary 1999 after for an angel after gouryella after strange world etc, list goes on, and it was like sheesh.. enough! its like dj's can try a little too hard and force euphoria and energy into the face of the crowd when what we want sometimes is just to be taken on the journey.

its so refreshing when Armin throws in tracks like Katana-One Solid Wave and Portishead-Roads (Sultan&Greek Mix) just to mix it up a bit. ask me last year and i never would have thought i'd say this, but there are prog songs whcih i find just amazing, and the Leama&Moor remix of Crayons comes to mind, and Ilana-505(Infernal Machine Mix). [edit] plus most trax from Probspot and Incolumis, with their unique blending of styles. i am SICK of the alphazone style (not necessarily alphazone themselves cos Nebulus was awesome, but more all the copycats recently) how many variations to the same "big riff" structure can be made?!

having said that, there are definitely still great uplifting tunes coming out.. just when u think there are no other melodies that can be used, along come inexplicably beautiful tunes like EnMass-CQ, and there's been too many lately to even mention, from the more understated tunes to the mindblowers like Sundawner-Flakes and Vascotia-Calibro(Sonicvibe Mix)

trance isnt dying, it is evolving and spreading into other sounds... i actually listen to *some* stuff from 99/2000 and think thank god trance has evolved from that.. its become so much fuller and more diverse.


Posted by novastorm on Sep-29-2004 05:20:

quote:
Originally posted by sezzy
i don't JUST love uplifting trance. I have a varied taste at times, but my favourite is and always will be UPLIFTING TRANCE


werd


Posted by Psygnosis on Sep-29-2004 06:57:

You may find it boring or stale cause your listening to uplifting trance hammered by the shit by everyone yet the artist keeps producing the same shit over and over cause they know people are gullible to some extent that they will kiss their ass and say they love it...

Go and listen to trance that isn't raped by the greats or anyone cause they can't be bothered to research the scene a bit, and find out that the new artists provide more quality that PVD, Ferry, Armin combined!!!

Aura - Intercity
Activa - Broken Morning
Enmass - CQ
Reinstate - Moonlit
Store 'N' Forward - Mauritius
Store 'N' Forward - Cause its Autumn
Sunquest - Just Another Day


little list, but it's song that have yet to be discovered or yet to be raped by Armin.. if you don't like these, you don't like trance. Cause uplifting trance is not dead, it's just people kiss the wrong ass just a bit too much resulting in "big head" outcomes.. resulting in the same shit over and over..

end rant..


Posted by Aesthetic on Sep-29-2004 08:13:

psygnosis = the new trance whore?

come on stips, get back into form =>


Posted by $tip$y on Sep-29-2004 08:25:

quote:
Originally posted by DaveBegic
psygnosis = the new trance whore?

come on stips, get back into form =>


that just the thing..... i AM in form
i know good music when i hear it....


Posted by eRRaTiK on Sep-29-2004 11:16:

quote:
Originally posted by novastorm
Very true... vinylgroover came over and played binary finary 1999 after for an angel after gouryella after strange world etc, list goes on, and it was like sheesh.. enough! its like dj's can try a little too hard and force euphoria and energy into the face of the crowd when what we want sometimes is just to be taken on the journey.


that's how i felt when matt darey came out last year.


Posted by novastorm on Sep-29-2004 23:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Psygnosis

Aura - Intercity
Activa - Broken Morning
Enmass - CQ
Reinstate - Moonlit
Store 'N' Forward - Mauritius
Store 'N' Forward - Cause its Autumn
Sunquest - Just Another Day


yeah all those are nice, tho Enmass-CQ has been caned a bit by armin.. he's put it on his new Universal Religion compilation still an awesome song tho.

Sunquest-Summertimes and Sunquest-Solid Flow could even be better than Just Another Day, talented artist


Posted by tubby on Sep-29-2004 23:39:

there's plenty of decent tracks being produced, just a lot more crap than in the past so you have to look a little harder. I think the biggest problem with trance is the number of average dj's playing in clubs who can't play a set that really goes somewhere, and can't play something suitable for the timeslot they're given. they can mix smoothly but just cannot design a decent set.
walking into a club at midnight to hear anthems being belted out doesn't leave much room for the night to progress. Hearing yoshi play hardhouse crap, then jumping jack try to rescue the night, then benjamin bates play tech-house, then marco v play a bit of everything, there's no flow in a night like that.
A lot of people rated tiestos NYE set pretty highly, plenty of anthems but the whole set had some direction, not just get it as euphoric as possible to start with and then plod along at that same level.


Posted by Philby on Sep-30-2004 03:37:

quote:
Originally posted by jizza
i wont say i hate current trance but by toutatis, i dont go out of my way to listen to the stuff like i used to.


i dont really have anything to add to this discussion other than w00t go asterix


Posted by jizza on Sep-30-2004 03:44:

im glad you got it phil. it makes it all worthwhile... almost.


Posted by eRRaTiK on Sep-30-2004 03:55:

Store 'N' Forward - Mauritius ~ it's ok but not major.
Activa - Broken Morning ~ i like this!

I'm feelin these atm...

8 Wonders - Morning After (Thrillseekers Remix)
GTR - Reason To Believe
Mat Silver vs Tony Burt - Waimea
The Thrillseekers - New Life (Lange Remix)
Usual Aspect - Mr Blue (Progressive Mix)
Whirlpool vs Octagen - Alaska


Posted by AJS1 on Sep-30-2004 05:22:

quote:
Originally posted by tubby
there's plenty of decent tracks being produced, just a lot more crap than in the past so you have to look a little harder. I think the biggest problem with trance is the number of average dj's playing in clubs who can't play a set that really goes somewhere, and can't play something suitable for the timeslot they're given. they can mix smoothly but just cannot design a decent set.
walking into a club at midnight to hear anthems being belted out doesn't leave much room for the night to progress. Hearing yoshi play hardhouse crap, then jumping jack try to rescue the night, then benjamin bates play tech-house, then marco v play a bit of everything, there's no flow in a night like that.
A lot of people rated tiestos NYE set pretty highly, plenty of anthems but the whole set had some direction, not just get it as euphoric as possible to start with and then plod along at that same level.


Still waiting for you too show up at UNIFY Stipsy to let me know what you think,;-) and though we aint expert dj's. I think we a having a good go at what you are talking about.


Posted by muli on Sep-30-2004 10:45:

Just listened to Oakenfold Live @ Gatecrasher 99!! LIVE AT LOFERTAN HALL!!

Fark what a set, those were the days!! Those really synthy sounds that just build and build.


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