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Posted by torontotrance on Oct-08-2004 15:56:

even tho I hate everything that the RIAA stands for at times, I let them know about this site.

They had Sony stuff for sale and you know big companies don't mess around with pathetic sites.

Posted by dj_alucard on Oct-08-2004 16:05:

tarts

need a good shitt kick in i think

Posted by [N]�k|��[Z] on Oct-08-2004 16:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Radagast
Insults are often resorted to when one is made a fool of and wishes to go down kicking and screaming. Logically, legally, and by the moderators own written rules this thread should have been deleted. Unless you can explain to me how this website is in any way more damaging to producers than a combination of others that offer the same thing for free and are not allowed to be spoken of.

FFS man, your always trying to start arguments, give it a rest FFS.. this thread aint for this.

besides.. im sure TA is given permission to have these tracks for download.. thats why they are very rarely updated

Posted by noikeee on Oct-08-2004 18:09:

http://trance.nu/v3/news_show.php?id=2789

seems like these guys (jetgroove) have a few lawsuits coming up...

Posted by M1cro5lave on Oct-08-2004 18:36:

quote:
Originally posted by paranoik0
http://trance.nu/v3/news_show.php?id=2789

seems like these guys (jetgroove) have a few lawsuits coming up...

It was predicted. Things like these just don't pass by.

I don't see how anyone would trust them after this, what were they thinking?

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Oct-08-2004 18:45:

quote:
Originally posted by M1cro5lave

I don't see how anyone would trust them after this, what were they thinking?

Indeed, they have a great idea and then they completely blow it with a stunt like this... it just doesn't make any sense.

Posted by ThomB on Oct-08-2004 21:05:

It seems amazing that they thought it was even possible for labels to release distribution rights to them after they have placed illegally obtained samples to tracks!!!

They obviously didn't think this through carefully.

Taking money from people with no tracks available is unbelievable!!

R.I.P. Jetgrooves......your one day of business may well have been your last.

Posted by trancebrat on Oct-09-2004 13:53:

Letter that I just received:

Dear Sirs and Madams,

My name is Ulukman Mamytov and I am the attorney for jetgroove.com.

I bring you apologies from JetGroove for making you worry about your copyrights infringements and your music repertoire being presented on our website. I want to assure you that jetgroove.com having started a new Online Music Download Service pursues the objective of making your music more wellknown and accessible and ONLY BY LEGAL MEANS.

That means we DO NOT SELL any of your music without obtaining a proper permission (License) from you or other respective rightholders. You can easily check this by trying to purchase any of you music. Everything that you choose to put in your cart will have status: "Not Available For Purchase Yet". It could only be put "ON HOLD". And we do not change that status untill the contract is signed and your permission is granted. In this case all of your music will be given "Allowed for Selling" status and people who have it in their shopping carts will be able to buy it.

The experince of showing your music on our website without distributing aimed to draw your attention to us, with further goal to make contacts with you on friendly terms with a perspective of mutually beneficial partnership. We�re glad to inform you that your music is getting popular indeed through our website and we can let you know at any time how many of your tracks were put on hold and which ones.

However, we deeply understand your concerns and would like to assure you, if you find our relationships impossible, we will IMMEDIATELY delete all of your music from our music collection.

Hope you�ll find our offer to make your music more popular through us rather reasonable and we can start that mutually beneficial partnership.

Very Truly Yours,

Ulukman Mamytov

Jetgroove LLP

Legal Department

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Oct-09-2004 13:55:

Heheh, that's the exact same email I got. They don't even read our emails.

Posted by trancebrat on Oct-09-2004 13:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Heheh, that's the exact same email I got. They don't even read our emails.

Nope...nothing but a form letter. They must be receiving a ton of complaints and when they see something that resembles a complaint from an artist they automatically just send that form letter.

I have told them to remove all of Terry's tracks. I guess now I have to wait to see if they do that.

Posted by Linx_da_cat on Oct-09-2004 14:01:

lol so their LEGAL DEPARTMENT is saying it was all a marketing gimmick to advertise their services to the public!?! what a load of bullshit.

and they expect producers to turn the other cheek and "develop a friendly beneficial partnership" after what has happened here? what a bunch of idiots.

Worst business model ever.

Posted by Serp on Oct-10-2004 00:37:

read this

http://www.jetgroove.com/news.html

after reading that it looks fine, so long as they stick to what they are saying although i still don't know how exactly they can contact you if they don't know who the song belongs to

Posted by torontotrance on Oct-10-2004 01:50:

That's wrong, you are making labels contact you after they did it to you. I'm still certain and some labels will sue.

Posted by flavdave on Oct-10-2004 05:39:

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
I'm still certain and some labels will sue.

As well they should. Even if JetGroove in defense says they weren't selling the tracks, they were only ON HOLD until the labels approved a deal, then the labels can still make a case of JetGroove posting samples of the tracks on the website for people to listen to. This whole thing was just a really, really dumb idea.

Posted by trancebrat on Oct-10-2004 05:51:

Regardless of what they wrote as a disclaimer on 10/9 it doesn't change the fact that they have made it publicly known that these tracks and/or remixes exist and used the words licensed and compensation on their FAQ page. They implied that all of the artist's authorized the tracks to be listed for DL.

Posted by neovalkyr on Oct-10-2004 08:50:

To ragadast: this site is making money off of other peoples work, while free websites are not making money, being the major difference.

Posted by Sean Walsh on Oct-10-2004 15:20:

'Time Lapse' is up there, and they sure as fuck didn't get permission from myself or Gesture Music =P

I let my label know, though I doubt much will be done.

Posted by torontotrance on Oct-10-2004 23:12:

Most little labels won't do a thing but I'm sure when the BIG 5 finds out or the RIAA decides to get up off their asses, something will happen.

Posted by trancebrat on Oct-13-2004 02:58:

Terry's tracks have been removed.

Posted by BshidoHEAT on Oct-13-2004 03:19:

Man FUCK JETGROOVES!

This pisses me off. All these talented producers getting they're masterpieces ripped off of.

Amber, way to show them. Rock on!

Posted by trancebrat on Oct-13-2004 03:24:

quote:
Originally posted by BshidoHEAT
Man FUCK JETGROOVES!

This pisses me off. All these talented producers getting they're masterpieces ripped off of.

Amber, way to show them. Rock on!

I got an email earlier advising they had been removed. I checked and everything associated with Terry has been taken down.

Posted by Radagast on Oct-13-2004 08:01:

quote:
Originally posted by neovalkyr
To ragadast: this site is making money off of other peoples work, while free websites are not making money, being the major difference.

Yes yes, how does that make it any worse for the producers.

And it seems we're almost finished with our first week of advertising this site which isn't going down judging by its latest news in which they explain why what they're doing is legal. I don't get it. Is TA against this site, or are they now simply trying to inform artists so that those artists can have their tracks removed if they so choose?

Posted by isoterra on Oct-13-2004 08:12:

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or are they now simply trying to inform artists so that those artists can have their tracks removed if they so choose?

I think that was the original intention. Infact I'm pretty sure it was.

Posted by trancebrat on Oct-13-2004 15:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Radagast
Yes yes, how does that make it any worse for the producers.

And it seems we're almost finished with our first week of advertising this site which isn't going down judging by its latest news in which they explain why what they're doing is legal. I don't get it. Is TA against this site, or are they now simply trying to inform artists so that those artists can have their tracks removed if they so choose?

What they were doing wasn't 100% legal. Can you not read? One of Terry's tracks was NOT licensed. It has never received clearance from the label that the sample is from. They had no right to promote it as a licensed track. Where the hell did they get it from? The label? Hell no. There is no label because it isn't signed. A lot of those tracks on there aren't licensed. Their intent was to make money. That's it. They realized they fucked up. Maybe if they would have taken some time to do some research they would have saved themselves the headache of all of this. They obviously didn't so to me they are idiots.

You don't think I haven't accomplished something this past week? Get a clue. Everything that is associated with Terry has been removed. Not a big deal to you obviously since you were probably on there trying to buy everyone's shit. Oh wait...that's right...you would never actually pay for the music that you download. Silly me.

Posted by Radagast on Oct-13-2004 16:22:

quote:
Originally posted by trancebrat
What they were doing wasn't 100% legal. Can you not read? One of Terry's tracks was NOT licensed. It has never received clearance from the label that the sample is from.

Well they removed it right?

quote:

They had no right to promote it as a licensed track.

Are they?

quote:
Where the hell did they get it from? The label? Hell no. There is no label because it isn't signed. A lot of those tracks on there aren't licensed. Their intent was to make money. That's it. They realized they fucked up. Maybe if they would have taken some time to do some research they would have saved themselves the headache of all of this. They obviously didn't so to me they are idiots.

Apparently all the tracks are there by permission, and the ones that they don't have permission from labels on are there for promotional reasons(i'm assuming not unlike online stores with audio samples aka amazon.com, cduniverse.com), and they ask those artists/labels for permission before selling anything to people. This doesn't seem logical or smart. So either they're lying or are idiots like you say. Is there any way you can tell they are lying? No.

quote:

You don't think I haven't accomplished something this past week? Get a clue. Everything that is associated with Terry has been removed.

All hail the internet superwoman. Do you people even have any proof that they have sold ANY tracks to ANYONE illegaly?

quote:
Not a big deal to you obviously since you were probably on there trying to buy everyone's shit. Oh wait...that's right...you would never actually pay for the music that you download. Silly me.

Don't hurt yourself now.

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