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| Originally posted by djarecebo Don't forget when he dropped Yahel - Voyage |
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| Originally posted by ctprincess the last tiesto was in town he was more interested in the dj hoes by the booth |
The Lucky Dutchman
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| Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! where in my post did it say i go for trainwrecks? IMO its not about chasing perfection. If Tiesto fucks it up a few times mid-set... i'd prefer to see him for three hours over armin. Why? Cos of the energy and charisma Tiesto embues. THAT is also a part of Djing... ANYONE can beatmatch given the natural talent or the endless hours of practice. No-one can take away style. For that Armin is a weak second to everybody. Taking parts of everyone else's act and merging them is just a shit way of saying u ain't got ur own style. One thing i'd admire from PvD (despite hating the sets) is that he's moved completely away from wishywashy shit armin fills his sets with. Tiesto plays similar tracks... and i'll always be a tiesto fan. Even if he quit tomorrow i wont suddenly jump on the Armin bandwagon like all u mofo's - whats the point. I get to see everything he does already at Tiesto shows. So mixing seamlessly perfect sets for a whole 2 hour radio show every week is now the focus of becoming a good dj? Well - people need to see the big picture. Armin can come onto the stage intent on mixing 10 progressive records into one another for the crowds ultimate build up - and i'd give him a clap... just wake me up first. |
,I also find AVB's sets flat out boring.Cant put my finger on why, I was wondering if you are going to Tiestos concert next weekend and what is your fav festival , I was looking at going to Sensation .I agree too, with the other quote about Johan Gielen and Ferry are on top now.
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| Originally posted by ctprincess i know that this shouldn't make a difference, but at least armin appreciates his fans - always signing stuff, taking pictures and coming to meet-up's to chit chat with the chicago TA's. the last tiesto was in town he was more interested in the dj hoes by the booth (i was by the booth, but i am DEFINITELY NOT a dj hoe for those who know me - its just my spot  ) and paying more attention to bad boy bill in the booth - there was no mixing - just slapping on a record. it seemed like tiesto was like "oh yeah - i am dj'ing so i have to at least appear to be doing something" and i don't think he stayed around to sign autographs etc. i think that is why armin continues to endear himself to his fans and why his shows have continually grown in numbers to where this past weekend it was at capacity. |
.Now if i were a major DJ i sure wouldnt drop my A-list stuff in a club in america either.There just would not be enough buzz/exposure about the tune.Dance music (fromwhat i can tell but never been to) Is a part of the culture in Europe but mostly the Netherlands.Until dance music becomes more mainstream which i know most of you guys probably wont like, We are not going to get the good performances.Just my sheltered opinion
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| Originally posted by XtremeNINja27 where thugs and gangbangers are celebrated for ridin on DUB's and pourin a forty for his fallen homie |
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| Originally posted by l�cid do you realize how ignorant you sound? |
IGNORANT?
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| Originally posted by l�cid do you realize how ignorant you sound? well, i guess you did say it's your "sheltered opinion" |
Turn on MTV for five seconds and tell me how many rap / hip-hop videos you see? how many gold teeth,Girls with big A$$es shaking it in the camera and how many exotic cars that the rappers rented for the shoot to glorify gansta life.You realize i have just described half of all rap videos.Ignorant? Come on, When i said sheltered opinion i was referring to the dance culture in europe. I know way to many kids who think they are tough s?!t because they listen to rap.There are a couple exceptions to this such as Outkast who do not rap about one topic in every song.Ignorant about Rap? You guys rip on Tiesto for his shameless self promotion (which i agree can be excessive) but compare him to someone like Puffy,Fabolous or Kanye West there is just no comparison,Every song they mention they are the one putting down the rhymes and spitting some mad lyrics.Now im not mad or anything but if you are calling me ignorant about something dont just say "you're ignorant" and leave it at that give me some reasoning to back it up, I'll admit if Im wrong but let me know why you think i am wrong, Oh your right i forgot to mention all the hoes and how pimpin aint eazy. Just remember gurl hayt tha gaym dont hayt tha playa,
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| Originally posted by MrSquirrel Ignorance is bliss? MrS |
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| Originally posted by l�cid ... anyway, what makes him a good DJ? he interacts with the crowd, he is a super-friendly guy, he knows how to bring the energy levels up and down, and it's just obvious he's having a great time behind the decks. watching the DJ have as much fun as all his fans in the crowd can really add a positive vibe to the entire night, imo. oh, and he can beatmatch too. pretty amazing for a DJ! heh. . |
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| Originally posted by XtremeNINja27 Not to sound defensive on tiesto's part, but his base audience as well as most DJ's is in Europe, The states is a hip-hop driven country loving culture where thugs and gangbangers are celebrated for ridin on DUB's and pourin a forty for his fallen homie,But its amazing mostly how popular Hip-Hop is because a majority of its audience is suburban white kids who think they understand a black person's struggle in the ghetto while they are listening to Jay-Z or Notorious BIG driving in mommies benz .Now if i were a major DJ i sure wouldnt drop my A-list stuff in a club in america either.There just would not be enough buzz/exposure about the tune.Dance music (fromwhat i can tell but never been to) Is a part of the culture in Europe but mostly the Netherlands.Until dance music becomes more mainstream which i know most of you guys probably wont like, We are not going to get the good performances.Just my sheltered opinion |
Take Two
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| Originally posted by wolverine16 Ummm, I'm wicked confused by this. I did pre-game prior to seeing Tiesto, but I still recall paying roughly $40 for admission and Vision was at capacity, but he shouldn't waste his time playing good tracks or try because EDM isn't as popular as other types of music in the U.S? I recall DJ Mag's bio that accompanied his #1 ranking noting that he was especially well received by crowds in the U.S. There's so much variety in music today and there are people who are as excited about seeing Brooks & Dunn or Eminem as I am about seeing Paul Van Dyk. Tiesto & others bring in large crowds who are greatly into EDM and to say it's not worth their time to put on a good performance because Nelly is more popular in this country is beyond me. Yeah I can see putting extra thought and care into preparing for TiC or the opening ceremonies at the olympics because they are rather special events, but that doesn't mean sold out events in the U.S. aren't worth any effort. Overall, most people have had very little exposure to EDM and if a big DJ/Producer plays before a capacity crowd here and puts together a solid set, those people not only will return the next time, but are likely tell their friends about it too. First time I saw PvD I went by myself, had a wonderful time and played some of his tracks for some friends afterward, who wound up going the next time, despite never hearing EDM before I mentioned how impressed I was. As Ludacris would say, while apparently he's riding on DUBs, it's about "Word of Mouf." |
I'm just as important as any fan in Europe and when I pay my $40 to see a dj perform I expect him to give me 110%. i don't care if trance isn't as popular as hip hop in the US (what an idiotic excuse to give the dj) - I paid my money and I expect him to be a professional and give 110% at EVERY SINGLE GIG. Sure, I don't like giving 110% at work every single day, but its called having some PRIDE in my work and giving my best when I show up for work. Tiesto not caring about his US gigs demonstrates to me that he's lazy, self-centered and has no pride in his work. And to think that people actually pay to see the guy trainwreck....
I think I've read somewhere that more people in the US vote in the dj mag 100 poll than Europeans, so really, Tiesto should give a fuck about his performances in the US.
And I'm not sure why we are still having this discussion - Armin is so much cuter than Tiesto
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| Originally posted by XtremeNINja27 By the way , Ignorance is bliss? should be a statement , NOT a question |
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| Originally posted by ctprincess I'm just as important as any fan in Europe and when I pay my $40 to see a dj perform I expect him to give me 110%. i don't care if trance isn't as popular as hip hop in the US (what an idiotic excuse to give the dj) - I paid my money and I expect him to be a professional and give 110% at EVERY SINGLE GIG. Sure, I don't like giving 110% at work every single day, but its called having some PRIDE in my work and giving my best when I show up for work. Tiesto not caring about his US gigs demonstrates to me that he's lazy, self-centered and has no pride in his work. And to think that people actually pay to see the guy trainwreck.... I think I've read somewhere that more people in the US vote in the dj mag 100 poll than Europeans, so really, Tiesto should give a fuck about his performances in the US. |
In the immortal words of a DJ who cares more about the crowd than Tiesto:
"Your and idiot"
MrS
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| Originally posted by MrSquirrel I was asking my friend Lucid if blissful ignorance was the reason for your ignorant comments, mendicant. MrS |
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| Originally posted by MrSquirrel In the immortal words of a DJ who cares more about the crowd than Tiesto: "Your and idiot" MrS |
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| Originally posted by XtremeNINja27 Agreed but Djing is almost an artform in its own right, Would you expect madonna to come up with a new song every couple weeks and never put out a greatist hits album? No sometimes she plays her old favorites , Im not giving Tiesto or any other DJ a pass , You think i want to see a second rate show , Of course not. Maybe i AM being subconsciously partial to Tiesto. DJing though is different than a normal everyday job as far as giving 110%. Now i dont know what you do so im not trying to slam you but flipping burgers or something similar is not the same as creating a new dance set. I just think Djing is mentally draining work and maybe thats why major Dj's hit their peak quickly and then fall quickly because they become too repetative in their sets.DJing is more of a creative artform than country , hip-hop or any major music form. A normal popular group may come out with a new cd every couple years with 12 songs on it then tour with it for a year or maybe two (While playing those same twelve songs every concert,if they even play an instrument . Such as Brittany Spears who doesnt even sing). If a DJ played the same twelve songs he would be the worst DJ ever in most people's eyes ,as well as mine.I dont know am i making any sense here or do i just sound like i am ranting? Maybe I just dont get it yet, Maybe i have not been listening long enough to get the GREAT story that a DJ spins over a four hour period . Or maybe you guys just forgot to just have fun? |
). I just don't understand why you people give dj's a free pass etc. - making up excuses for poor performances. Yeah - any and every dj have bad days, but it seems to me that Tiesto has more of them than any other dj out there right now. I have friends in Holland who go to Tiesto's gigs just to count how many times he trainwrecks.
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| Originally posted by XtremeNINja27 Do you mean "AN" idiot? |
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| Originally posted by ctprincess you don't get it - which isn't surprising |
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| Originally posted by ctprincess I'm a senior tax manager with a big 4 accounting firm and my clients are the Fortune 500 - so I think my job is just as mentally draining as dj'ing (and interpreting the tax code is not easy and I can be very creative ). |
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| Originally posted by XtremeNINja27 I was just wondering how you get CREATIVE on tax laws? Is it by finding loopholes around them? |
So let me see now.
According to you (the thread starter):
A: Those of us who were present at the Armin show in May (which was closest to the Tiesto set in regards to time spinning and calendar date), and the Tiesto show in June {both @ Vision) are not allowed to believe that Armin was better.
B: It is alright for a performer who is getting 20k+ a night to show up and not perform at the level advertised.
C: That MTV is the final word on what American's listen to musically.
Now, to respond to each point.
A. I do not go to a show to listen specifically for trainwrecks or even for perfect mixing, but there is a point when you cannot help but notice that in the span of a dozen transitions, not even a handful of the beats were lined up. Armin's show in May was his worst this year @ Vision, in my opinion, but he still kept the beats lined up so people who were there to dance could dance. Tiesto in June was not even trying to match them, he would even have long crossfades of 30seconds or more with the galloping beats. Now I suppose there are people who can dance to that, but no one I know can. This is of course, the opinion I came to through my experience, and others are allowed to have their opinions, this is a free country.
B. Being a DJ at the level of superstardom is an occupation. When you are a paid performer, you have an obligation to give the people who are paying to attend your performance what they paid for, which is to see you perform to the level you are capable of. If I were to go see an orchestra play, you can be damn sure I want the conductor to be doing his job and not getting drunk and getting touchy feely with some silicone mounds on the conductor stand during the performance. Now, if the conductor is capable of drinking like a fish and fondling fake breasts while still doing his job to the level expected, then more power to him. But in my opinion, and that of many others, Tiesto is NOT capable of swilling booze and fondling women whilst doing what we paid him to do.
C. I guess I am old, but I have not turned on MTV in almost a decade, so I have no idea what is on that channel. But most of the people I know who are over 21 (which is the clientele of Vision because it is a 21+ venue) neither watch MTV nor do they listen to Hip-Hop. If the music business was driven only by sales of hip-hop music there would be no Sarah McLachlans, Limp Bizkits, Korns, Tim McGraws, Duran Durans, or Avril Lavignes for people to buy. There are all different types of musical tastes, and if Duran Duran has enough fans that they can sell 5000+ tickets to shows in Chicago, than the #1 electronic dance music performer in the world should be able to sell 1800 tickets to a show in Chicago just as easily whilke not having to lower their level due to lack of audience familiarity with the kind of music.
MrS
This is getting intense.
Regarding the hip-hop culture thing, I'm not sure how Bartlett is, but I think Dave Matthews Band has a rather large following among younger audiences as well, not to mention that most people listen to more than one style of music.
As for playing in front of 25,000 people, I'm not so sure that every club in Europe holds that kind of capacity. Yes there are some enormous festivals in Europe and there's the Ibiza season, but TiC was supposed to be a big deal because it was set in a large arena, hence it's not the norm every week in Europe either.
Additionally, if you check out the CD/New Music Reviews forum, there's a lot of American flags next to posts regarding tracks. A lot of people in the U.S. in those 1,500 venues listen to radio shows on the internet or elsewhere and are just as familiar with new tracks as people in other countries and like the music just as much.
Also I'm pretty sure that DJs aren't expected to produce 4 hours of new music for every single gig they play. The majority of songs in Tiesto or most other DJs' sets are produced by other people and any trance producer would kill to have one of the top DJs play their track, so it's not like they don't have a shortage of tracks coming in to choose from. It does take some work, practice and creativity to put together a quality set, but a lot of songs are staples when someone goes on tour. I'm pretty sure that wasn't the first time Tiesto has played Traffic in public.
Finally, Tiesto has put together some good sets and productions, but when he was here recently, there's no way you can say that he did a better job of mixing than AvB unless you're one of the Republican Party members who claimed that George Bush presented his side better than Kerry in the 1st debate. If you don't like AvB, that's cool, but the kids who spin at the local bars here put more effort into their sets than just getting hammered and switching tracks just because the BPM counter matches. I don't care if you're playing in front of 2 people, if you're doing your job and you're considered to be one of the best at it, you can put at least as much effort into it as a kid at Goodbar who charges nothing for cover.
I GET NO LOVE
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| Originally posted by wolverine16 This is getting intense. Regarding the hip-hop culture thing, I'm not sure how Bartlett is, but I think Dave Matthews Band has a rather large following among younger audiences as well, not to mention that most people listen to more than one style of music. As for playing in front of 25,000 people, I'm not so sure that every club in Europe holds that kind of capacity. Yes there are some enormous festivals in Europe and there's the Ibiza season, but TiC was supposed to be a big deal because it was set in a large arena, hence it's not the norm every week in Europe either. Additionally, if you check out the CD/New Music Reviews forum, there's a lot of American flags next to posts regarding tracks. A lot of people in the U.S. in those 1,500 venues listen to radio shows on the internet or elsewhere and are just as familiar with new tracks as people in other countries and like the music just as much. Also I'm pretty sure that DJs aren't expected to produce 4 hours of new music for every single gig they play. The majority of songs in Tiesto or most other DJs' sets are produced by other people and any trance producer would kill to have one of the top DJs play their track, so it's not like they don't have a shortage of tracks coming in to choose from. It does take some work, practice and creativity to put together a quality set, but a lot of songs are staples when someone goes on tour. I'm pretty sure that wasn't the first time Tiesto has played Traffic in public. Finally, Tiesto has put together some good sets and productions, but when he was here recently, there's no way you can say that he did a better job of mixing than AvB unless you're one of the Republican Party members who claimed that George Bush presented his side better than Kerry in the 1st debate. If you don't like AvB, that's cool, but the kids who spin at the local bars here put more effort into their sets than just getting hammered and switching tracks just because the BPM counter matches. I don't care if you're playing in front of 2 people, if you're doing your job and you're considered to be one of the best at it, you can put at least as much effort into it as a kid at Goodbar who charges nothing for cover. |
. Both obscenely rich , Big Government , High Budget , Yale graduates , Skull + Bones members , Are typical propaganda oriented politicians who want nothing more than to continue the political party duopoly.Im voting third party candidate 
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