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Posted by Cataclysmic on Nov-10-2004 21:24:

Shaq moving to Miami had more to do with him wanting to be in a big market. You think he would have accepted a trade to Toronot? bwahahhahahha, not in this life time. Shaq had complete control over what team he was going to... He picked Miami because of endorsement possibilities.

Ray Allen for VC straight up... Bring in a pure shooter like Ray Allen or Allen Houston, that would make the raps a better team. Peja is also looking for a new home...


Posted by TheVrk on Nov-10-2004 23:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Cataclysmic
Ray Allen for VC straight up... Bring in a pure shooter like Ray Allen or Allen Houston, that would make the raps a better team. Peja is also looking for a new home...


ray allen is better than vince.... but allan houston?!?!?!
r u sick? talk about a guy with a HUGE contract and NOWHERE
NEAR worth it - PLUS he's aging and injury-prone nowadays.

peja would be great here tho


Posted by Sly_Guy on Nov-11-2004 03:25:

vince for peja, that deal's been talked about for so long. And usually when a deal's talked about for that long, it means it's not gonna happen. Sure, it'd be good for us, but I don't think sac-town would pull the trigger on it.


Posted by DigDeep on Nov-11-2004 04:00:

GREAT GAME GUYS!!!!!
Rogers Sportsnet

Jazz 84
Raps 82

7:00 remaining in the 4th q.


Posted by matty on Nov-11-2004 04:20:

Nice win for the Raps beating one of the best teams in the West (so far)


Posted by DigDeep on Nov-11-2004 04:23:

What an entertaining squad we have this year - and THANK GOD, since we have jackshit to watch hockey-wise.


Posted by Sly_Guy on Nov-11-2004 04:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Sly_Guy
I have higher hopes for them to win tonight, as long as they don't pussy out and play tired after travelling all night. Our run and gun game should play well against a defense first jazz squad.


This guy knows what he's talking about....
Yeah I'm thoroughly enjoying the start of this season. It's about time I broke out the old obnoxious cheer.

RAPTOOOOOORRRRRRRSSSSSSSAHHHHUUHHHH!

it sounds better live. Believe me, it's pretty rediculous


Posted by dEsidEL on Nov-11-2004 04:39:



w00t w00t ! 4-1 !


Posted by Pett on Nov-11-2004 05:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorwhore
What an entertaining squad we have this year - and THANK GOD, since we have jackshit to watch hockey-wise.


couldnt agree more.


Posted by discojoe on Nov-12-2004 18:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Sly_Guy
This guy knows what he's talking about....


did you just quote yourself?

ok its on to the sonics tonight. fuck its not like they are playing easy teams. detroit, houston, portland sacramento, utah and now seattle. jesus when are they going to play the clippers and nets. we need a break here


Posted by TheVrk on Nov-12-2004 18:31:

gotta admit i'm surprised (pleasantly) that they're 4-1.
the win at utah was a REAL good one, but dont think
that seattle will be a pushover - could have a letdown 2nite

but they really re an entertaining team - RAFER is the key
lets also hope donyell marshall's not out long


Posted by matty on Nov-13-2004 21:17:

Shit they lost a close one last night 89-88. The blew a 88-83 lead with 30 sec left. Hopefully they can rebound tonight at Portland....


Posted by starsearcher on Nov-13-2004 21:21:

quote:
Originally posted by che
Shit they lost a close one last night 89-88. The blew a 88-83 lead with 30 sec left. Hopefully they can rebound tonight at Portland....


Yeah that was shitty...1 point...ouch...But they are playing really well I'm sure they'll continue to pull ahead!

GO RAPTORS!


Posted by Yohan on Nov-13-2004 21:37:

Blame Vince for missing that open J on the last seconds. If you're half a good player, you gotta hit those shots! At least he had a dunk, his first of the season.
Where's the Vince that used to make 3s on one foot with a guy all over him? What happened to Vince that used to do 360 dunk when given a chance getting the opposition fans off their seats in their arena?

I'm all for trading Vince for Ray Allen.


Posted by Crazy Serb on Nov-13-2004 21:41:

Vince is useless for like 90% of the game. All he does on the offence is wait for the ball in the corner, and when he gets it he rarely drives it to the hoop... then again, whenever he drives to the hoop, he usually ends up missing a wide open layup or something. DUNK IT, for fvck's sake. The other 10% when he actually starts looking for the teammates, starts distributing the ball to others, makes a few assists here and there and some steals on the defence, that's where he shows his worth. Now, the problem is that it's only that 10%... if he did that during half of the time he spent on the floor, Raptors would be unstopable.

And yea, Rafer is the man. It took Raptors "a while" to recognize that talent, but hey, Raps are well known for passing on the talented players and picking up some old bones.

2 guys that need to be traded ASAP are Lamond Murray (he has no shot, no dribbling skills, slow as hell, contributes nothing, absolutely nothing) and Jalen Rose (this guy forces so many shots, and unfortunately doesn't make them, it's unbelievable... as if he was Kobe).


Posted by Crazy Serb on Nov-13-2004 21:43:

quote:
Originally posted by EvilTree
I'm all for trading Vince for Ray Allen.


Yeah, at least Allen is consistent and you know what you're gonna get from him, every game...

The only problem is that I think Allen doesn't want to play in the East.


Posted by MarkT on Nov-13-2004 23:22:

I *love* Sam Mitchell as a coach!

Did you see his interiew? Holy shit...they're off to a great start and he's RIPPING people, lol, saying that whoever buys into HIS game plan will play. I love it. A coach who will run the show, not the players. How refreshing is this? I want to see a coach bench his starters when they fail to show up and be supported in that decision by management and the owners.

best things so far this year? Sam Mitchell, Rafer Alston, Chris Bosh, and Matt Bonner. Bonner rocks. This guy shoots a three and gets his own rebound...tireless effort.

Vince for Ray Allen...yeah, I'd do it. Vince playing hard all game is tought to replace...but he never does that...so...why not get someone with arguably less skills/talent who will put in the effort from start to finish.

I like Jalen though...he had a bad game...but he's usually a smart player.

Bosh, Woods and Bonnner up front with Rose and Alston in the backcourt. Sounds sketchy, and not a worthy starting lineup, but I like what they've done so far


Posted by Crazy Serb on Nov-14-2004 00:21:

Yea, Sam Mitchell is doing an amazing job...

And Bonner, whoa... this kid is showing a lot more than the team's supposed superstars. I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell rewarded him with more minutes in the near future.


Posted by TheVrk on Nov-14-2004 00:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Crazy Serb
Vince is useless for like 90% of the game. All he does on the offence is wait for the ball in the corner, and when he gets it he rarely drives it to the hoop...


vince's problem his WHOLE LIFE has been that he refuses to take it
to the basket enuff - settles way too easily for bad jumpers.
IF someone'll take him, the NEED to trade him.
he will NEVER take them anywhere.

also agree with crazy serb when he says that jalen needs to go.
this guy is SO overrated. u ever notice how high he jumps?
when shooting or rebounds? HE DOESNT!!!! hes got like a 5" vert.
and CONSTANT bad shots from him too.

its a testament to how good a job sam mitchell is doing with this roster. i HOPE they keep it up, cause raptors fans deserve it


Posted by infinity HiGH on Nov-14-2004 00:51:

The problem with Vince is that ever since his injury, he's chicked out to a style of play thats totally not him. The guy has talent, but he's playing a style of B-Ball that he has no business playing. He needs to get back to his old style of play, because his "highlight of the night" fade-away shots are going nowhere. DRIVE to the inside, get the defence to go at you, and then jump over them and dunk it or pass it away to someone open! FUCK! It pisses me off cause I know if Vince really wanted to, he could do 35+ points per game and the Raptors would be killing so many teams in this league.

As for trading him...hah, Seattle would never give us Ray Allen for Vince...the way he's playing, nobody will wanna take Carter when their current stars are playing 2-3 times better. Right now, it's all about Alston and Bosh.


Posted by DigDeep on Nov-14-2004 02:25:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
I *love* Sam Mitchell as a coach!

Did you see his interiew? Holy shit...they're off to a great start and he's RIPPING people, lol, saying that whoever buys into HIS game plan will play. I love it. A coach who will run the show, not the players. How refreshing is this? I want to see a coach bench his starters when they fail to show up and be supported in that decision by management and the owners.

best things so far this year? Sam Mitchell, Rafer Alston, Chris Bosh, and Matt Bonner. Bonner rocks. This guy shoots a three and gets his own rebound...tireless effort.

Vince for Ray Allen...yeah, I'd do it. Vince playing hard all game is tought to replace...but he never does that...so...why not get someone with arguably less skills/talent who will put in the effort from start to finish.

I like Jalen though...he had a bad game...but he's usually a smart player.

Bosh, Woods and Bonnner up front with Rose and Alston in the backcourt. Sounds sketchy, and not a worthy starting lineup, but I like what they've done so far


I'll echo everything you said here Mark....bang on.


Posted by smuncky on Nov-14-2004 05:39:

oo man taht game just ended rite now

sooooooooo close

but raps lost again


Posted by Sly_Guy on Nov-14-2004 05:40:

k, since everyone is probably out [and justifiably so], raps lost by 3 tonight after being down by 20. Jalen single handedly brought us back in the game, and murray hit a 3 0.1 seconds late to tie the game. We played like shit for most of the game, but dominated the 4th quarter. Personally, I think this will go a long way to helping the team and may be an example that giving vince the last shot isn't always the best idea.


Posted by Yohan on Nov-14-2004 05:55:

It helped that Lamond Murray had a good game and I think he'll keep having better games as his confidence grows.

Jalen Rose was pretty much shite for first 3 quarters and then he came alive in the 4th. OMG what a dunk on Ratliff on the final min.

Alston did well too. So did Bonner. That kid works hard.

Raps didn't do that badly in first 3 quarters, except Blazers were crashing the boards. 3rd quarter Derek Anderson was on fire so oh well, nothing you can do about that really.

Vince Vince Vince... Someone needs to boot him in the arse and tell him to play his game. Fadeaways isn't his game.


Posted by matty on Nov-14-2004 06:09:

Vince had 4 points?????? WTF

Ship his ass outta here...anyone could help the raps more at this point


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