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^i think this should end our discussion

lol

i gotta agree with Dave Piazza, in that track selection
is much more important than gr8 mixing.

u CAN overcome mediocre mixing with incredible trax.


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PvD's def had trancier phases and tech phases.
i'd say i like him best when he's a good mix of the 2.
but the bangin sets are REAL good (ex. mayday 2002 )

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Originally posted by scAza ^i think this should end our discussion lol

LOL! Agreed.

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Originally posted by sleepydragon im not sure u can put pvd in the same catergory as the other djs u mentioned

zzzzz, zzzzz, zzzzz, you can stop copying others oppinions and create your own. If this is your own, then show how pvd is laking in skill.

Re: The Paul Van Dyk Discussion

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Topic # 1 I hear some PVD fans complain about his mixing sometimes. My question to you is what importance does PVD's mixing have on with your apperception or enjoyment of a PVD set. I personally don't mind mediocre transitions. What I do mind is the music selection. I always believe that mediocre transitions can be overcome with quality track selection. Your thoughts? Topic # 2 Has PVD had different musical �phases�? Was he more trancy some years or more techno in others. If so, which did you prefer. Why? Please feel free to add other Topics to discuss relating to Paul Van Dyk.

topic 1: when you pay good money, you expect a good DJ. not a mediocre one. if we want a mediocre one, we'll have a listen to your radio show, since you dont mind mediocre transitions.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 zzzzz, zzzzz, zzzzz, you can stop copying others oppinions and create your own. If this is your own, then show how pvd is laking in skill.

You 'lak' education,common sense and a fully-functional intellect.Fuck off.

Regarding PVD, he lacks perfection.We all do as humans because there is always a small margin of error involved. That is good in a way because it gives a sense of realism rather than something that would be rehearsed/pre-planned in order to achieve perfection.
He does have minor flaws at numerous places in a lot of his sets but
overall his mixing is tight and tracklisting good.
He also jumps genres very well during his sets that not many dj's can do as well as he can.

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Originally posted by TheVrk #2 PvD's def had trancier phases and tech phases. i'd say i like him best when he's a good mix of the 2. but the bangin sets are REAL good (ex. mayday 2002 )

Definitely!!

I totally agree. I love it when Paul bangs it out....

Doesnt do it for me like he used to - when he wasnt so fast and PLayed a little more progressive.

obtw;

Paul Van Dyk - X-Mix 1: The MFS Trip (1993)
0. Alien Nation - Intro
1. Gemini 6 - Skysoaring
2. True Love - Breath Of Stars
3. Effective Force - Diamond Bullet
4. Cosmic Baby - Cosmikk Trigger I
5. Cosmic Baby - Oh Supergirl
6. Microglobe - High On Hope
7. Voov - Strobe Light
8. Futurhythm - Transmanic
9. Cosmic Baby - The Space Track
10. Humate - Love Stimulation
11. Cosmic Baby - Heaven's Tears
12. Visions Of Shiva, The - How Much Can You Take?
13. Cosmic Baby - Sweet Dreams For Kaa
14. Loopzone - Natural High
15. Visions Of Shiva, The - Perfect Night

cums.

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Originally posted by varun You 'lak' education,common sense and a fully-functional intellect.Fuck off. Regarding PVD, he lacks perfection.We all do as humans because there is always a small margin of error involved. That is good in a way because it gives a sense of realism rather than something that would be rehearsed/pre-planned in order to achieve perfection. He does have minor flaws at numerous places in a lot of his sets but overall his mixing is tight and tracklisting good. He also jumps genres very well during his sets that not many dj's can do as well as he can.

what a joke

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse Doesnt do it for me like he used to - when he wasnt so fast and PLayed a little more progressive. obtw; Paul Van Dyk - X-Mix 1: The MFS Trip (1993) 0. Alien Nation - Intro 1. Gemini 6 - Skysoaring 2. True Love - Breath Of Stars 3. Effective Force - Diamond Bullet 4. Cosmic Baby - Cosmikk Trigger I 5. Cosmic Baby - Oh Supergirl 6. Microglobe - High On Hope 7. Voov - Strobe Light 8. Futurhythm - Transmanic 9. Cosmic Baby - The Space Track 10. Humate - Love Stimulation 11. Cosmic Baby - Heaven's Tears 12. Visions Of Shiva, The - How Much Can You Take? 13. Cosmic Baby - Sweet Dreams For Kaa 14. Loopzone - Natural High 15. Visions Of Shiva, The - Perfect Night cums.

yeah couldn' agree more. This is by FAR pvds greatest ever mix! really nice and chilled and mixing is absolutely top notch.

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Originally posted by sleepydragon im just sick of seeing threads bout pvd and tiesto there r far better djs to be talking about

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Let's focus on a more hopefull future, I would say:

- �zg�r Can
- Perry O'Neil
- Menno de Jong
- Mike Foyle

To name a few, all with a new style and IMO good music selections which sounds rather 'new' and they mix well too!

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Originally posted by TheVRK track selection is much more important than gr8 mixing.

How can you say that? (I would call you an idiot if I didn't know better but I think I do )

In your opinion somebody with 'zero rhytmic talents' and a good nose for good tracks can be a good DJ> haha, I wanna see your face when sombody mixes good tracks very bad in to each other, you wont be amused, ... believe me!

Flame me if you will, but I honestly find Ozgur Can's sound to be really boring and repetitive. Its just the same freaking loop, over and over again with the majority of his productions.

And dont even get me started on Probspot. Blueberry was an awesome track until we started hearing it in every single Probspot production!

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Originally posted by S_madis Flame me if you will, but I honestly find Ozgur Can's sound is really boring and repetitive.Its just the same freaking loop, over and over again with the majority of his productions. And dont even get me started on Probspot. Blueberry was an awesome track until we started hearing it in every single Probspot production!

Threre is one song he produced that is awesome. Its called ' Not Even Winds'

Not sure when it will be released but its fuckin amazing. Beautiful use of male vocals.

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Originally posted by S_madis Flame me if you will, but I honestly find Ozgur Can's sound to be really boring and repetitive. Its just the same freaking loop, over and over again with the majority of his productions.

why should you b flamed for saying that?

i agree strongly btw

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Originally posted by TheVrk i gotta agree with Dave Piazza, in that track selection is much more important than gr8 mixing. u CAN overcome mediocre mixing with incredible trax.

that's tiesto for you


ANYONE can get behind the decks and play their favorite and most popular trance tunes. heck, if you can't beatmatch well, just pray people love what you're playing!


the dj has to have REALLY great mixing skills so the transitions are smooth. this gives a set flow and a totally different feeling - completion? i think it's what makes a set an experience, a journey rather than just some good tunes.

when i'm out at a club, sometimes it is difficult to hear transitions over the sound system and the dj has REALLY got to be off to notice. ever walk out of a party and think: that was a great set but there was something missing? i think it's generally the mixing. at times i get to listen to a recording of the set and that's when i hear how 'off' the mixing was.

i am completely blown away by so many of paul's transitions, his mixing skills are top notch. no, he's not always perfect, but i am generally very impressed after every time i see him, and look forward to the next time i'll see him.

i also have a lot of respect for him because he DOES play a lot of tracks and different genres that most djs don't have the guts to do. he plays what he likes, and i like what he plays and how he plays it. his track selection and progression throughout the set are generally pretty good from year to year, but imo 2003 was absolute sh*t (a whole other topic). i have sets from 1992 until now and i enjoy listening to them all.

the thing that impresses me the most about pvd's mixing is his timing. the beats may be off slightly once in a while, but his timing is almost perfect. the reason why i think pvd is a better mixer than lets say, armin, or markus, is because he is able to mix through so many more tracks in one night than either of them. most dj's, (including myself) usually stick with the intro outro mixing, sometimes mixing into the break, or something like that (i know techno/house/breaks and other genres have amazing djs who do various tricks etc. but i'm talking strictly trance/prog). pvd is able to pull off transitions like no other. just compare a 5 hour pvd set with a 5 hour avb set. i can guarantee you that pvd will have at least 20-30 more tracks in his list. mixing through tracks that quickly with trance is much harder than w/ techno etc. mostly because of the melodic elements and the way the buildups and breakdowns are positioned; it also leads him to be more susceptible to messing up. imo, mixing prog. is very predictable and easy. most tracks are very percussive in the intro outro, and the melodies are somewhat abstract. everything is long and drawn out making it easier to time mixes. don't get me wrong, i love prog. but its built around subtle changes in the track making it hard to just drop something in outta nowhere unless if its an accapella or something.

with all that being said....

PVD is a superior mixer compared to armin, markus, tiesto, or any other trance dj and He knows how to throw down a banging party.

I think PVDs mixing is very good. You have to remember that most of the time he mixes the next track in very quickly and sometimes doesnt play the full track so he can squeeze more tunes into the set. Tiesto's mixing is not usually that good... and as for Oakie.. better not go there.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 what a joke

It's sad that you find humor in places where it is least intended.
I'm reassured that your IQ is less than my shoe size.
Be gone fool.

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Originally posted by S_madis Flame me if you will, but I honestly find Ozgur Can's sound to be really boring and repetitive. Its just the same freaking loop, over and over again with the majority of his productions. And dont even get me started on Probspot. Blueberry was an awesome track until we started hearing it in every single Probspot production!

I'm not gonna flame you
I respect everybody's opinion although I don't agree with you about Ozgur's productions, ...

Probspot tracks are indeed a little boring, but there soms tracks of his repetoire that really do it for me. (Blueberry, Midnight and Foreplay)

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Threre is one song he produced that is awesome. Its called ' Not Even Winds' Not sure when it will be released but its fuckin amazing. Beautiful use of male vocals.

It's going to be released on Electronic Elements on the 15th of November! (Ozgur Can - Memory Lane EP incl. Not Even Winds, Illusions and Questions)

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Originally posted by varun It's sad that you find humor in places where it is least intended. I'm reassured that your IQ is less than my shoe size. Be gone fool.

ok ill be gone .

Re: The Paul Van Dyk Discussion

Topic # 1


PVD for me is about his kind of sound and his style, not perfect mixing and for an angel.

Track selection is usually spot on taking the mood of the set in the right direction. But his kind of sound is "crisp" and "sharp".

Occasionally do hear a non perfect transition, which obviously is a bit of a bummer.

It's his type of sound which does it for me, hence "Dyk Technique" :P

That's why I'm not devastated if he doesn't drop "Angel" during a set because the kind of sound coming out of the speakers is making me wet anyway :P

He also knows how to make his next track "hint" during the mix...to just bring it in enough that you can barely hear what's about to come.

also noticed some tracks speed up and slow down barely perceivably which sounds cool.

He does some other very cool sound effects i like, such as a bass "swooping" down - kinda sounds like the death star about to fire it's laser.

Topic # 2


Definitely. "Columbia" and "Out There" are definitely harsher faster more biting tracks, and some of my favourites.

"Nothing but you" is much more sweet and smooth.

I like his harsher stuff

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse Doesnt do it for me like he used to - when he wasnt so fast and PLayed a little more progressive. obtw; Paul Van Dyk - X-Mix 1: The MFS Trip (1993) 0. Alien Nation - Intro 1. Gemini 6 - Skysoaring 2. True Love - Breath Of Stars 3. Effective Force - Diamond Bullet 4. Cosmic Baby - Cosmikk Trigger I 5. Cosmic Baby - Oh Supergirl 6. Microglobe - High On Hope 7. Voov - Strobe Light 8. Futurhythm - Transmanic 9. Cosmic Baby - The Space Track 10. Humate - Love Stimulation 11. Cosmic Baby - Heaven's Tears 12. Visions Of Shiva, The - How Much Can You Take? 13. Cosmic Baby - Sweet Dreams For Kaa 14. Loopzone - Natural High 15. Visions Of Shiva, The - Perfect Night cums.

woah, i was never a paul van dyk fan, but thanks for the tip, this is definitely a really great set! the mixing is kinda inconsistent though, has some dodgy fast transitions and some reeeeeally smooth ones. the tracks make up for it

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse Doesnt do it for me like he used to - when he wasnt so fast and PLayed a little more progressive. obtw; Paul Van Dyk - X-Mix 1: The MFS Trip (1993) 0. Alien Nation - Intro 1. Gemini 6 - Skysoaring 2. True Love - Breath Of Stars 3. Effective Force - Diamond Bullet 4. Cosmic Baby - Cosmikk Trigger I 5. Cosmic Baby - Oh Supergirl 6. Microglobe - High On Hope 7. Voov - Strobe Light 8. Futurhythm - Transmanic 9. Cosmic Baby - The Space Track 10. Humate - Love Stimulation 11. Cosmic Baby - Heaven's Tears 12. Visions Of Shiva, The - How Much Can You Take? 13. Cosmic Baby - Sweet Dreams For Kaa 14. Loopzone - Natural High 15. Visions Of Shiva, The - Perfect Night cums.

This proves nobody reads threads before posting in them...though I suppose that's not really a new revelation.

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Originally posted by NoisyNeil Probspot tracks are indeed a little boring, but there soms tracks of his repetoire that really do it for me. (Blueberry, Midnight and Foreplay)

yeah Blueberry was class and I didn't even mind mind Foreplay all that much, but when a producer gets really lazy and starts using sounds from previous productions, I find that there rise to the top is quickly followed by their eventual downfall.

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