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Originally posted by Radagast Try for the past seven years.

the handful of people that were even aware of tiesto seven years ago would undoubtedly agree on the brilliance of his sets in the late '90s. if you can't appreciate the stuff tiesto was dropping back then you need to reconsider what you're doing at this site

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What exactly has he done that no other DJ has come close to?

for better or worse, tiesto has brought tens of thousands of new fans into edm -- that's to say nothing of his individual accomplishments.

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I don't have a fav DJ. I just realize that Tiesto is far below many in the skills department. You know what I can't stand? I can't stand ignorant music fans whom always go on about the Pop stars and how they are better than everyone else because a lot of morons voted for him. People who don't even know what a real DJ is. You can be good and popular, but being popular doesn't automatically make it good.

please dude -- all you do is flame... how many times have you even seen the djs you criticise live? my guess is not many...

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Uh oh, here come the personal attacks. Furor, i'm not perfect, you're just ignorant. There's a difference.

if people attack you it's 'cause of the shoddy way you've treated others in the past...

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Originally posted by Konijn Island for better or worse, tiesto has brought tens of thousands of new fans into edm -- that's to say nothing of his individual accomplishments.

So has many a dj before him.

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Originally posted by trancebrat He would never see it that way. He would never think he is wrong. His posts are almost always negative and that isn't by accident.

Please throw him in the batch of other negative TA's ( i.e. Laushinameee, Twig, davidclarke , etc)

But atleast those assholes can hold an arugement this fool makes no sense.

He tries to hard to be an asshole. It just doesn't work.

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Originally posted by trancebrat He would never see it that way. He would never think he is wrong. His posts are almost always negative and that isn't by accident. It is pointless arguing with him because he thinks he knows better than everyone else. He and one other person that posts regularly in here have this "my shit doesn't stink and all of yours does" attitude.

I agree and I know who you're talking about. Thing is that they both have shitty attitudes, but they know what they're talking about. Or, at least, they know their genres. You can't argue with them, because they will never give anything up or admit that they stated something wrong. They circle and cycle around the same arguments.

When you respect the music on the whole you can admit someone's shortcomings and skills. I rip BBB to piss Rad off. I hate his music, but I know he's a good dj and have admitted so in the past. We know you don't like trance, but a lot of people do. You can't attack a style of music. Personal taste determines what you like and don't like. If you can't recognize good trance vs. bad trance and give reasons for your hypothesis, you should shut up. I agree that Tiesto isn't a good dj, in some aspects, but if you think he doesn't know how to program, you've never seen him live or seen the way that he controls the crowd. You have a closed mind and that's why a lot of people here think you are a jackass. Open your mind and judge the music for what it is, not what you like.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Please throw him in the batch of other negative TA's ( i.e. Laushinameee, Twig, davidclarke , etc) But atleast those assholes can hold an arugement this fool makes no sense. He tries to hard to be an asshole. It just doesn't work.

You make things up that I never said in an attempt to argue with me and i'm the negative one who can't hold an argument?

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Originally posted by Radagast You make things up that I never said in an attempt to argue with me and i'm the negative one?

I was in that thread and you did say it. I think it was the PVD discussion or the last Tiesto thread. Look back and eat those words.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I know this didn't come up in here, but I hear those kinds of comments all the time. It's a little bit frustrating. We should be able to give our honest opinions, as long as we aren't just flaming. Substantiate your claims and be constructive, yet honest.

There is a difference between saying that you don't like an artist and outright bashing them. Tiesto doesn't suck as a DJ. I have witnessed that shit for myself and I am not some 15 year old kid that just started listening to EDM yesterday. He has his bad moments but so does many other DJ's. I don't think he is God. I also don't post in every other thread about other artists that I think could use a load of improvement as well.

Our community looks ugly 75% of the time. It gets old. We attack artists that post in here and then bitch about the ones that won't take the time. It's so ridiculous. The people that do the most bitching and moaning probably have zero life and that is why they have no respect for the artists that are actually trying to do something.

At Gelderome Tiesto played three of Terry's tracks one of Mike Burns and then some other tracks from other friends of mine (some being other TA's). To say that all Tiesto plays is cheese is saying that all of their music is cheese. I beg to differ. I love how people hype tracks on here yet if Tiesto plays it then suddenly it isn't worthy.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I was in that thread and you did say it. I think it was the PVD discussion or the last Tiesto thread. Look back and eat those words.

I looked at all of my posts in that thread immediately prior to posting that, and I never once said, or even implied, that BBB has done more for EDM than Sasha and Digweed. Much less said the words Dave Piazza fabricated. You want the "the best mixing you've heard" thread.

Radagast... for as much shit as you talk about Tiesto... I'm certain that you can't do what he can do behind the decks. I'm also certain that Tiesto doesn't give a fuck about a couple of kids calling him a bad DJ. He draws the crowd wherever he goes. While good promotion has a lot to do with that, you'd have to be a dunce to think he isn't a talented musician.

I'm not saying that Tiesto is my favorite DJ by any means. I enjoy his work, sure, but he's actually a long way down my list as far as favorites are concerned. I just think it's idiotic to try to downplay the fact that he is the most popular DJ in the world for a reason.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I was in that thread and you did say it. I think it was the PVD discussion or the last Tiesto thread. Look back and eat those words.

It was in the who's the best mixer thread.

It got side tracked when me and Laushinameee had a debate about FS.

BTW

Nite-Mer I got your CD's today. I like them alot. Ill send you a PM with a detailed review after I listen to them all

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Originally posted by Radagast I looked at all of my posts in that thread immediately prior to posting that, and I never once said, or even implied, that BBB has done more for EDM than Sasha and Digweed. Much less said the words Dave Piazza fabricated.

There was a comment about 1/2 dj's Sasha and Digweed with BBB. I thought that was it, but maybe it was worded slightly different. I don't want to prove you wrong hard enough to find it though.

Amber, just so you know, I wasn't referring to you in my frustration post. I'm talking about the people that see no wrong in Tiesto and think he's this phenomenal mixer. He has some good moments, but he is far more inconsistent than most of the top name dj's. I speak from a lot of experience at live shows, recorded live sets, and released cd's. The fact that you can hear software cover-ups for faulty Tiesto mixing on cd's he sells is frustrating. On the other hand, they are minor errors and it's nice to see that he spins them rather than using the computer. I have to assume that much anyway. He has his pro's and his con's, but I don't think he should be ranked number 1 or even in the top ten, probably.

Hard to knock him though. He's playing for the masses and has a great understanding of the music. I want the dj that can do both. Everyone seems to rip on Armin here, but he's a solid dj, technically speaking. I like his track selection, usually, as well. He's certainly better than Tiesto, IMO.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza BTW Nite-Mer I got your CD's today. I like them alot. Ill send you a PM with a detailed review after I listen to them all

Cool. I'm glad you enjoy them. There are definitely minor errors here and there, but most are solid. I look forward to reading your PM. Don't hold back. If you notice something, I probably know about it, but I'd rather you are straight with me. It's the only way I can improve. There's always room for improvement.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer There was a comment about 1/2 dj's Sasha and Digweed with BBB. I thought that was it, but maybe it was worded slightly different. I don't want to prove you wrong hard enough to find it though.

I said they were semi-dj's. You will prove me wrong when you tell me how DJ skill translates into the amount someone has contributed to a given music scene.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher Radagast... for as much shit as you talk about Tiesto... I'm certain that you can't do what he can do behind the decks.

You're correct, but what's your point?

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you'd have to be a dunce to think he isn't a talented musician.

I never said anything about his productions.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer Amber, just so you know, I wasn't referring to you in my frustration post.

Yes, I know. I have never had a problem with you. Only the first part of my post was directed towards you.

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Originally posted by Radagast I said they were semi-dj's. You will prove me wrong when you tell me how DJ skill translates into the amount someone has contributed to a given music scene. You're correct, but what's your point? I never said anything about his productions.

Fine. In that case. What the hell has BBB done for EDM, especially globally? Tiesto might not be the best dj, but he's done a lot more for EDM than Bad Boy Bill has, both production and as a dj.

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Originally posted by Radagast Actually you are wrong. He was doing it before, but in '98 he started playing more commercial trance than before, or at least, that's when he had his first big pop trance break at innercity.

OH you know what Tiesto was playing in his live shows before 1998? Really please indulge me with what shows you attended in the 1990's i am so curious. Or do you know because of his live sets in the 1990s? Well thats funny being there is under 15 recorded lie sets from Tiesto in the 1990s. So please enlighten me. I really love how you pretend like you know...more and more you make a fool out of yourself to me with your lack of knowledge on Tiesto.

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Originally posted by Radagast Justin Timberlake does all of those things as well..

You said name one DJ...did you not?

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Originally posted by Radagast I dislike most trance DJ's. Tiesto maybe moreso, but it doesn't really matter...

Then why o why are you on tranceaddict? There are tech forums and house forums where you might feel more at home.

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Originally posted by Radagast The DJ's I listen to are both popular and underground, but they are always good....

Name two...please i would love to know who you consider underground and always throw down flawless sets...but i bet you won't name them...

by the way...popular AND undergound is an oxymoron...please please check www.dictionary.com

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Originally posted by Radagast No, anyone who thinks Tiesto is a good DJ is ignorant.....

I won't dispute the fact that Tiesto is not as good as he used to be, because i would be lieing. But to say he is not good is absurd...of course he is GOOD...is he great? Well that remains to be seen. I feel he used to be great and is just good now. But to say he is not good puts him in a league of a novice..which he is not.

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Originally posted by Radagast Wow. This guy actually thinks Intolerance and Ignorance are synonyms?.....

oh boy you are so sad....i never said that. I meant being INTOLERANT is being IGNORANT.

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Originally posted by Radagast Seriously man, if i'm so sad, why argue with me at all?

Because you misinform people with your nonsense on Tiesto. You try and tell people what Tiesto used to play, circa 1997, when in fact YOU DO NOT KNOW.

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Originally posted by Radagast Correction, I bash shitty DJ's.

So who IS a good DJ?...please name one.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer Fine. In that case. What the hell has BBB done for EDM, especially globally? Tiesto might not be the best dj, but he's done a lot more for EDM than Bad Boy Bill has, both production and as a dj.

This is not a comparison between BBB and Tiesto, or how much either has contributed to anything. This is about the best DJ's. I bash tiesto because he's a bad DJ. Stop changing the subject. If you want to know, neither of them have really contributed to EDM in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I agree with this to a large extent and to what Tiesto14 has said. However, it is annoying to hear people, obviously blinded by the hype, praise Tiesto so one-sidedly. You can be a Tiesto fan and admit that he's not a phenomenal mixer. That just means that technical mixing isn't as important to you, or that you don't hear all of the mistakes (you meant as a general term, not you Amber). I just can't sit by the wayside if someone tries to call Tiesto a better dj than Sasha. Saying he plays a style that you like better is fair. But Sasha is ten times better. That is clear to anyone who really understands mixing. They both program well and play good tracks (within their genres), but Sasha is far superior technically. I know this didn't come up in here, but I hear those kinds of comments all the time. It's a little bit frustrating. We should be able to give our honest opinions, as long as we aren't just flaming. Substantiate your claims and be constructive, yet honest.

I agree...

I have NEVER thought Tiesto was a great mixer....PvD, Sasha etc etc are way better at Tiesto at mixing. So i agree with you.

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Originally posted by trancebrat Yes, I know. I have never had a problem with you. Only the first part of my post was directed towards you.

Cool. Just making sure I didn't come off wrong. I am usually pretty blatant if I am singling someone out (aka Rad here), but sometimes I wonder if people might misinterpret my prose.

Rad - You challenged a statement about Tiesto not contributing. You didn't start that one so I guess it doesn't have much relevance. However, I do believe he has done some things to further EDM. And, FYI, Tiesto played some really uptempo psyish trance in the late nineties. I am not the biggest fan, but I'm sure it was good at the time. It certainly wasn't mainstream or, even, epic.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 OH you know what Tiesto was playing in his live shows before 1998?

It doesn't really matter in accordance to the main point I was trying to make now does it?

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Name two...please i would love to know who you consider underground and always throw down flawless sets...but i bet you won't name them...

Nobody always throws down flawless sets. Surgeon, Henry Chow, Heiko Laux. I guess they aren't necessarily "underground", but they aren't exactly well known.

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by the way...popular AND undergound is an oxymoron...please please check www.dictionary.com

Now, I don't know why you keep citing dictionary.com since you've obviously never visited that site, but I meant that out of all the dj's I like, some are underground and some are not.

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I won't dispute the fact that Tiesto is not as good as he used to be, because i would be lieing. But to say he is not good is absurd...of course he is GOOD...is he great? Well that remains to be seen. I feel he used to be great and is just good now. But to say he is not good puts him in a league of a novice..which he is not.

Is he a good trance DJ? Maybe. Is he a good DJ? No.

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oh boy you are so sad....i never said that. I meant being INTOLERANT is being IGNORANT.

On the contrary. Rather than being intolerant because i'm uneducated, unaware, or uninformed(ignorant), i'm intolerant because i'm educated, aware, and informed on the subject. Or at least moreso than some others.

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Because you misinform people with your nonsense on Tiesto.

I don't advise people to believe anything I say.

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So who IS a good DJ?...please name one.

Out of all I know of, probably qbert.

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Originally posted by Radagast It doesn't really matter in accordance to the main point I was trying to make now does it?

Well you are the one made a statement about it...and i refuted it...but it is just like you to shift your arguement when you get shown.

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Originally posted by Radagast Nobody always throws down flawless sets. Surgeon, Henry Chow, Heiko Laux. I guess they aren't necessarily "underground", but they aren't exactly well known.

LOL that is all i have to say.

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Originally posted by Radagast Is he a good trance DJ? Maybe. Is he a good DJ? No..

LOL...you really make no sense. With your reasoning no Trance, tech or house DJ is good.

Tiesto may not be a fantastic mixer but Tiesto is WITH OUT A DOUBT a good all around DJ. He get's the crowds going and makes everyone have a good time...that is the unwritten definition of a good DJ.

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Originally posted by Radagast On the contrary. Rather than being intolerant because i'm uneducated, unaware, or uninformed(ignorant), i'm intolerant because i'm educated, aware, and informed on the subject. Or at least moreso than some others...

But see you are not educated, informed or aware of Tiesto. You really aren't..you have tryed to tlak about Tiesto's past plenty of times and every time i catch you i make you look wrong everytime.

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Originally posted by Radagast Out of all I know of, probably qbert.

Comparing Tiesto to Qbert is like saying the Rolling Stones are a better group then Megadeath. They are different genres entirely. Again you make no sense.

the people sticking up for tiesto, you always suffer from having one major flaw in your arguments - and that is that he IS actually really shit. You'll grow out of him i suppose. I dont think there is such a thing as a tiesto fan in their late 20's...

You might not realise, but the points that youre coming out with make you look really ignorant. Ignorance is bliss though isnt it?

I don't want to enter into this argument cos I don't really have the knowledge, but out of curiousity, Laushinameee - what music do you actually like, cos I see you bashing more often than saying something good........

Re: TIESTO: why the bashing?

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Originally posted by Coffee Hi all.. this is my first post.. ive been reading this board for a few days now and I have came across alot of tiesto bashing.. and I will just like to give my 2 cents.. first the people who are saying that tiesto cant mix and doesnt deserve his #1 ranking. well I have something to say about that, keep reading.. second.. the people who say he plays cheese.. ok I wont object to that.. yes he does play cheese from time to time.. BUT do you know why?? and third.. people who say tiesto is not even a real good DJ.. and his track selection has been off when some people have attended his live gigs.. well I am going to try and defend these negative remarks about him.. first of all,, Tiesto is a Dj who is in extreme demand.. he probably plays over 100 shows a year and every show cant be as good as the last or beter than them all.. alot of those days is like the title another day at the office.. so he is not going to rip it up.. he is only human.. but he still puts in a show for the majority.. just there will always be some people out there in the crowd who have heard better and its not up to standard.. his track selection.. well ok.. yes, he is number 1 again.. and he is probably alittle arrogant about it.. just as oakie was.. so he doesnt feel like he has to perform so much now.. kinda lost the hunger.. but he still turns out a professional set.. number one doesnt mean every show and track has to be EPIC.. he plays cheese ok I cant say much about this except.. people love it! hahahaha its true.. look at the rankings.. I know I know..but the stats speak for it self.. so play what sells.. of course for many not listening to cheese or commercial hits kinda means you are real hardcore.. not a lollipop novice like so many others.. so we talk about non commercial tracks and less cheese tracks which you wont hear on some cheesy remix cd... but that doesnt mean he is a bad Dj.. becuase the fact is.. tiesto is number one becuase he is THAT GOOD! he might be abit of a sell out now.. but most of the top djs do sell out as do all stars... hip hop etc.... they turn commercial and start to play radio hits and get sloppy.. BUT!! the fact is.. if tiesto wanted to HE could do a set that would blow all the djs away and have us all dancing like freaks and then at the end of it we will be saying OH MY GOD!! please someone pick up my jaw it just hit the floor.. if he wanted too.. becuase he is that good! he has the talent and the skills.., its just that he is not really using them so often on the decks for the likes of us trance junkies he spends lot of time in the studio making the commercial cheese that will go number 1 all over europe and make him millions.. but hey.., thats no reason to be dissing him.. the guy can mix.. and we all know this.. anyway thanks for listening.. thats all I have to say about tiesto.. I think the guy is great.. of course I dont listening to him often but I think he needed some defence.. too much bashing.. IF tiesto came to my city I would go see him.. I guess most of you all would too.. maybe alot of you are angry that he is not doing what he is capable of doing.. or maybe a lot of you just do think he is garbage haahha to each there own huh.. well anyway..

You've done a really poor job of 'defending' him here. Instead of providing evidence against those negative points you outlined in the beginning of your post, you've instead made excuses for why it's acceptable for Tiesto to get away with them. The fact is, Tiesto is technically a shit DJ. This is not an opinion. However, this is obviously not important to a considerable amount of people in the edm scene; as long as the tunes are being pumped out, it apparently doesn't matter how they are pieced together, or what order they are put in.

Poor show.

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