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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I guess it did kind of sound like I was picking on the woman but then again, see my point >>>B<<< My reference to 'sitting on one's ass' was more meant for those without 6 kids... I'm not that heartless...

Alright I get ya now

Only.....be aware that welfare recipiants really don't get that much $$ as the media has hyped us to believe. The straight fact is that they make less than a minimum wager and is based on the financial demographic figures.

Glad to hear your not heartless......my mistakes

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb And I must say they should've taken those $2,000 out of her welfare cheque... she doesn't deserve to keep any of that money, being that stupid. Sure, honesty is honesty, but this is way into the realm of stupidity.

Not sure if i'd call it stupidity, it is honesty to give back something that isn't yours no matter how you got it. Even if you just found it. She didn't earn it. Finding a twenty on the street and you bending down to pick it up doesn't mean you earned that twenty.

By the way it was reported that she got $1000 a month from welfare.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe By the way it was reported that she got $1000 a month from welfare.

Wow.......that must suc for her and the kids.
Looks like she's caught between a rock and a hard place

Gotta admire this mom for being honest and showing her kids self control and integrity.


As for those selfish bums that would take the $$ and run...........yak, yak, yak......get a job!

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb stealing? as far as I know she FOUND it... she didn't TAKE it directly from someone else. maybe if the bank asked for "whoever found the $40K to give it back" in the news or something, then I'd think of returning it, but as long as nobody claimed it, i'd keep it!

I think you're missing the point.
Someone knew that money was missing.
It might have not have been the same day the woman found it but evenutally the bean counters would catch up with their books and someone is going to come looking for it.

According to your logic if I leave my car downtown after a night of wooping it up and you come across it parked on the street the next day, you did not find it.
Ownership of an object isn't transfered unless there is absolute proof that noone wants it (or it was sold to you).
Yes there was bag of money sitting all by itself but who in their right mind forgets a bag of money??? Honestly...

She probably should have sat on it for a few weeks before returning it. If nothing came up, then it's her's to do with anyway she wants(nobody claimed it) and that would be as acceptable as returning it the way she did.

It's nice to think about what each of us would have done with that amount of money but the situation is always different had we actually been in the poor woman's shoes at that moment.

I still think her good samaritan deed was the best decision.
A great role model move for her kids.
Personally I think in the end, she's getting more out of it now than she would have keeping the money...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I think you're missing the point. Someone knew that money was missing. It might have not have been the same day the woman found it but evenutally the bean counters would catch up with their books and someone is going to come looking for it.

Very likely... but to this day (as far as I've heard) they haven't found out whose money it is. Meaning, the owner hasn't stepped up to the plate. Automatically assuming it's bank's money and taking it there? Genius...

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According to your logic if I leave my car downtown after a night of wooping it up and you come across it parked on the street the next day, you did not find it. Ownership of an object isn't transfered unless there is absolute proof that noone wants it (or it was sold to you). Yes there was bag of money sitting all by itself but who in their right mind forgets a bag of money??? Honestly...

Your analogy is a bit skewed... you could most likely find me (or cops could) if I took your car and drove it around the city. However, if I took your bag full of money, about $40Gs full let's say, there's no way in hell you could ever tell me I was spending your money. Even if I spent it under your nose! What, tell me you remember all those serial #s, come on.

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She probably should have sat on it for a few weeks before returning it. If nothing came up, then it's her's to do with anyway she wants(nobody claimed it) and that would be as acceptable as returning it the way she did.

That's what I'm thinking... without the "returning" part, of course.

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A great role model move for her kids. Personally I think in the end, she's getting more out of it now than she would have keeping the money...

Yea, great role model for the kids. What message is she giving them there? "Kids, if you run into some sort of valuable stuff, even if there's a very likelyhood that the person who left it behind will not claim it, you go right ahead and return it to whomever you think you should return it. Don't keep it, even if it could make a whole lot of difference in your life or help you out in hard times." Bravo!

And yea, she's getting a lot more now than she would've if she kept the money... about MINUS $39,000 cash. non-taxable.

No offense or anything, but from my experience, I noticed people in Canada tend to be very selfish.

When I lived in Russia, one time I found a wallet with bunch of ID cards and 30,000 rubles, and I returned it to the old lady (I tracked the address, it wasn't too far away) without taking a kopeika (penny). She gave me lots of candy as a reward ... That was so sweet ...

About two year ago, this time here in Canada, in Hamilton, I found a wallet in Lime Ridge mall on a seat (in an area where people sit down), and looked though it to find, among credit cards and licenses, 40 bucks (two 20 dollar bills). I took the money and gave the wallet to the 'LOST AND FOUND' section. I hope the person got their wallet back with lots of money's worth of cards ... there was a paltinum credit carm amongst, but I was KIND enough not to write any info down or spend it ...

That came a month after my mom's purse was stolen from her locked car (yet the car wasn't taken itself), and not only the thief take the 800 or so bucks in it, he dumped the other contents of it in a dumpster. My mom was dumb enough to carry 200 bucks worth of cards (fees to re-sign them), as well as social insurance cards and such. WHY COULDN'T THE F****ING ASSHOLE TAKE THE MONEY AND LEAVE THE PURSE ALONE????? MY MOM WAS GONNA PAY OFF HER CREDIT CARD, and instead she had to borrow money from me!!!!

When I once had MY OWN car, a previously used 1992 pontiac bonneville that I got for a good deal, back in 2000, everybody just became my friends, and at first I didnt realize it was just for my car. But later on, when the same people that I gave "favours" to by giving the ma lift home got pissed off at me for not doing them another favour, I got a different picture ... and the list is bigger ... so you see ... capitalism is a one selfish society, no offense to any of you who are not selfish.

If most other people are selfish, why should I keep being nice to them if it doesnt help me at all? Why should I not be selfish and let a**holes use me like the easiest mop on the face of the world? Wouldn't a smart choice would be to do whats best for yourself?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium About two year ago, this time here in Canada, in Hamilton, I found a wallet in Lime Ridge mall on a seat (in an area where people sit down), and looked though it to find, among credit cards and licenses, 40 bucks (two 20 dollar bills). I took the money and gave the wallet to the 'LOST AND FOUND' section.

...but you took the money? reason being? not as easy to track down as credit cards would be, eh?

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb Very likely... but to this day (as far as I've heard) they haven't found out whose money it is. Meaning, the owner hasn't stepped up to the plate. Automatically assuming it's bank's money and taking it there? Genius...

Where else would you take it to? The neighbor?
The reason no one has fessed up yet is probably because of some internal investigation and not wishing some public embarrassment.

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Your analogy is a bit skewed... you could most likely find me (or cops could) if I took your car and drove it around the city. However, if I took your bag full of money, about $40Gs full let's say, there's no way in hell you could ever tell me I was spending your money. Even if I spent it under your nose! What, tell me you remember all those serial #s, come on.

Auto Registration - serial numbers
Bank - serial numbers
Coincedence?

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Yea, great role model for the kids. What message is she giving them there? "Kids, if you run into some sort of valuable stuff, even if there's a very likelyhood that the person who left it behind will not claim it, you go right ahead and return it to whomever you think you should return it. Don't keep it, even if it could make a whole lot of difference in your life or help you out in hard times." Bravo! And yea, she's getting a lot more now than she would've if she kept the money... about MINUS $39,000 cash. non-taxable.

It's called being honest and having morals; it's quite obvious it's not hers. She knew it and her kids knew it.
And speaking of logic, how can she be MINUS $39,000 when it wasn't her's to begin with?
She didn't find a ten dollar bill here folks, we're talking about 40K!

Yes, the immediate response for a lot of people would be that she should have kept it.
She's poor, she found money, sounds like a nice Cinderella story doesn't it?
Fact of the matter is, we still don't know who's money it is and money just don't 'appear' in front of a woman on welfare with 6 kids.
Even if she did keep the money in a matter of months that money would be gone and they'd be back where they were before the money came along.
That amount of time is infinitesimally smaller than the life lesson she just gave her kids which will last a lifetime.
Maybe on some strange level, she just passed a test?
Who knows...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Where else would you take it to? The neighbor? The reason no one has fessed up yet is probably because of some internal investigation and not wishing some public embarrassment.

assuming there is one... she should've kept it until that internal investigation actually found her, or they went public about it.

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Auto Registration - serial numbers Bank - serial numbers Coincedence?

sure, who in the world checks serial numbers on the bills (except for banks and cops)?

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And speaking of logic, how can she be MINUS $39,000 when it wasn't her's to begin with? She didn't find a ten dollar bill here folks, we're talking about 40K!

once she picked up the bag, it was hers. and where is the difference between $10 and $40,000? amount wise, maybe, but would you keep the $10 bill you found on the street or go out of your way to return it to the bank when you had no idea whose it is anyway? Same shit with $40,000. A few thousand more or less...

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Even if she did keep the money in a matter of months that money would be gone and they'd be back where they were before the money came along.

That's a big assumption, but the way she handled this situation I'm pretty sure she'd be back where she was in a matter of weeks... can't keep $40,000 for more than a day? you can't really expect her to save much money any other way either then...

I just like to know what a woman on welfare is doing spending $10 on a pack of smokes. There's my tax money well spent!

i feel like i'm one of the most honest guys around....
i wouldnt've returned it

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Originally posted by TheVrk i feel like i'm one of the most honest guys around....

... it's different talking about donating $40,000 bucks that you never found, and actually finding the money ...

it's more like comparing watching a liveset video clip and being THERE, EXPERIENCING THAT MOMENT! BIG difference ...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium No offense or anything, but from my experience, I noticed people in Canada tend to be very selfish. ... About two year ago, this time here in Canada, in Hamilton, I found a wallet in Lime Ridge mall on a seat (in an area where people sit down), and looked though it to find, among credit cards and licenses, 40 bucks (two 20 dollar bills). I took the money and gave the wallet to the 'LOST AND FOUND' section. I hope the person got their wallet back with lots of money's worth of cards ... there was a paltinum credit carm amongst, but I was KIND enough not to write any info down or spend it ...

Speak for yourself, since you've admitted to taking somebody else's money. The person whose wallet you returned wouldn't have known that you were KIND enough not to write down the credit card numbers and other info in the wallet. What the person would have noticed was the fact that the $40 cash was missing. So how could you know the person didn't end up having to cancel his/her cards anyway?

'Cos if it becomes socially acceptable to take what you find as yours, as seems to be the case from reading this thread, it's only natural to assume that all the credit card info has been stolen as well by whoever found the wallet.

There is a difference between ownership and proof of ownership. If I lost a $50 bill and somebody found it, I probably can't prove that it's mine. But it still pisses me off that somebody out there has $50 that in my mind belongs to me. And if I find out who it is, I damn well would want it back, proof or no proof. I probably won't win, because I have no proof, but I surely won't be thinking, "fine, the chump deserves the $50. It rightfully belongs to him."

Ownership also should not depend on ease of access. If it's okay to take it because it's lying on the street, then what about if it's on a table in a food court? In someone's jacket? (Some people just hide their jackets rather than checking them when in a club. Even read about someone doing that in the Tiesto review thread.) An unlocked car? An unlocked house?

Go to many public places (clubs, gym, library (especially university libraries are awesome... there are MP3 players, CDs, laptops, PDAs... their owners just go away to socialize somewhere...)) and you'll find plenty of opportunities to "find and keep" things. I wouldn't want to live in a city where everyone is always eyeing for things to take. If I don't want to have my stuff taken, then I won't take other people's stuff.

BTW, that's not the main reason why I wouldn't keep the $40,000. I'd just be too damn scared that it's drug money and some pissed off mafia/gang will be hunting me down.

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Originally posted by QryS I'd just be too damn scared that it's drug money and some pissed off mafia/gang will be hunting me down.

HAHA....sooooo true...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium No offense or anything, but from my experience, I noticed people in Canada tend to be very selfish. When I lived in Russia, one time I found a wallet with bunch of ID cards and 30,000 rubles, and I returned it to the old lady (I tracked the address, it wasn't too far away) without taking a kopeika (penny). She gave me lots of candy as a reward ... That was so sweet ... About two year ago, this time here in Canada, in Hamilton, I found a wallet in Lime Ridge mall on a seat (in an area where people sit down), and looked though it to find, among credit cards and licenses, 40 bucks (two 20 dollar bills). I took the money and gave the wallet to the 'LOST AND FOUND' section. I hope the person got their wallet back with lots of money's worth of cards ... there was a paltinum credit carm amongst, but I was KIND enough not to write any info down or spend it ... That came a month after my mom's purse was stolen from her locked car (yet the car wasn't taken itself), and not only the thief take the 800 or so bucks in it, he dumped the other contents of it in a dumpster. My mom was dumb enough to carry 200 bucks worth of cards (fees to re-sign them), as well as social insurance cards and such. WHY COULDN'T THE F****ING ASSHOLE TAKE THE MONEY AND LEAVE THE PURSE ALONE????? MY MOM WAS GONNA PAY OFF HER CREDIT CARD, and instead she had to borrow money from me!!!! When I once had MY OWN car, a previously used 1992 pontiac bonneville that I got for a good deal, back in 2000, everybody just became my friends, and at first I didnt realize it was just for my car. But later on, when the same people that I gave "favours" to by giving the ma lift home got pissed off at me for not doing them another favour, I got a different picture ... and the list is bigger ... so you see ... capitalism is a one selfish society, no offense to any of you who are not selfish. If most other people are selfish, why should I keep being nice to them if it doesnt help me at all? Why should I not be selfish and let a**holes use me like the easiest mop on the face of the world? Wouldn't a smart choice would be to do whats best for yourself?

Sorry that all this shit happened to you but I can't support the fact that you stole money from a wallet that you found...I have been a victim of theft on several levels.Many years ago I had my Snap-on tool box stolen from a dealership I worked at.I had like $5000 worth of tools & tool box and NO insurance.I was lucky enough that the owner of the dealership gave me $3000.I also had vehicles that I had owned over the years getting broken into even up til last year...they even took my CD case (and that hurt ALOT 'cause I had alot of demo CDs ).

Funny thing is that the past couple of weeks I would look down & find a $20 bill & a Telus cell phone ( the cell phone I gave to a TELUS store).Once at the post office & the other time at work.Well at the post office I looked around & this old lady said that it was hers & I gave it to her (she was VERY appreciative) and at work it belonged to my friend since he was near the money anyway.I could have claimed "finders keepers" but...you know what...I would hope that if the shoe was on the other foot, that someone would return something that I had lost.


All I can say is not fall in that "revenge" type mentallity and do the right thing...

Some nice points above, let me add some more information. I've never ever ever stole anything from anyone like on a scale of a burglary, taking a CD player or equipment - or grabbing someone's wallet or stealing anything like that or anything at all.

In high school, I went to a very progressive learn-at-your-own-pace high school (here in Canada), where most people were kind, and people wouldn't be afraid to bring their laptops, stereos and be afraid of losing it - it was a rarity of that to happen - I've had my chances of stealing some stuff but I never did. I've had my own bitter times when something dear to me was stolen from me, and I would not do that to anyone else, even when I know I can get away easily. People trust me in these kind of situations, believe it or not. I am not the kind of a person who goes for a quick fix or rips someone off. I guess that time I took 20 dollars out of the wallet (I LEFT the other 20 bucks in it) and returned the wallet to the LOST 'N FOUND is more like a "reward" for myself, sort of thing ...

I've obviously lost more than I found and kept - and some of you may agree on that for yourself. All I said is that you gotta be ready for greedy and selfish people who are ready to steal everything from you - and dont let yourself be a victim.

If you know people well, and you know they are nice and not selfish - then you can trust them - I've done that - and make judgements that you feel are right and appropriate based on the situation.

What really makes me wonder is how many TAs here who said they'd return the money would ACTUALLY do it if they were in the lady's situation aka "actions speak louder than words". I guarantee, not all ... not in any given situation.

When you return something that belongs to others you don't do it because you might get a reward. You do it because it's the right thing to do. Whether you get your stuff back another time or not do you really want to relegate yourself down to the level of the people you are complaining about? The answer i have to that is NO. I have returned many things with hardly a thanks but one time i lost my cell phone and had it returned to me by a club goer the next day (and actually made a few friendships out of it).

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