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Originally posted by Vlad Mission accomplished!

But it scares girls, too, so I r teh l0se.

It's a trial and error kinda thing.

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Originally posted by Vlad Ya hachoo prosto naytee peezdu vpervich. Patom boodim doomat shto sney delat.

lol

you gone clubbing lately dood?

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Originally posted by Yan But it scares girls, too, so I r teh l0se. It's a trial and error kinda thing.

Look at my ava... Im mad drunk and I dont give a FUCK!

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred lol you gone clubbing lately dood?

Yea bro, I went to Sasha @ Crobar for my 21st birthday last week

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Originally posted by Vlad Look at my ava... Im mad drunk and I dont give a FUCK!

Haha. I need a drunk picture. Hmm...

Anyways, SPAHKOYNI NOTCHI!

pies ogrodnika

Re: How do you speak Russian?

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Originally posted by Earthsnail I want to learn how to speak Russian. Anyone willing to teach me basics?

I must say I was quite puzzled by the title of this thread

Anyway, first of all, the most basic thing you'll need to know is: to write. The cyrillic alphabet they use has obviously been adapted through the centuries to the Russian phonology (so it's easier to use it instead of latin letters), and it's essential if you want to take it seriously. Therefore, the following page should helpful:

http://langintro.com/rintro/first.htm


This is an easy approach to Russian alphabet. Once you actually know how to write "Tetris" and "Vodka" you're all set. Don't worry if the letters look weird, or if you confuse them with the ones we use in English (the letters "p" and "c" are usually tricky in the beginning). You didn't learn to read overnight, so you need some time to get used to the new system.

Once you master (or can at least decipher) the alphabet, it's time to learn the words. Just google "Learn Russian" and you'll find loads of "Learn Russian for free" courses. They're quite handy, although they usually don't teach grammar as much as you actually need to. That's why you need to use the following page:

http://www.departments.bucknell.edu...uage/index.html


If words are pieces, grammar is the rule of the game. Once you learn it, communication becomes infinitely easier. Obviously, it'll take time till you become fluent (and lots of practice as well), but if you practise and study often, you'll do just fine. Don't rush, don't get downhearted, don't lick coffee machines.

learning to write in Russian is one thing, perfecting pronounciation will prove to be quite an arduous task..

porque no hablamos espanol???

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred learning to write in Russian is one thing, perfecting pronounciation will prove to be quite an arduous task..

Well, it sure depends on your conception of "perfect pronounciation" and what your mother tongue is.

Learning other European languages may often be tricky for English native speakers when it comes to pronounciation, I reckon. Whereas you guys enhance the difference between "pie" and "buy" by aspirating the "p" a little bit, it doesn't always happen, so you might have problems when trying to distinguish these sounds in other languages (but don't worry - even though this will show your foreign accent, you will be understood). This sort of problem may happen with many other consonants (specially the letter "r": you guys seem to often perceive our "r" as one or several "t" and "d" in a row), but in most cases there will be communication.

The same goes for vowels (English has a quite "fixed" vowel and dipthongs system), so you might have some problems in this case too, but some practice can once again improve pronounciation.

Anyway, probably the thing people complain the most about Russian language is the palatalisation (i.e. soft consonants and dypthongs). This shouldn't be that much of a problem though, because when it's properly explained you can have a better idea of how to say it. Anyway, most times I mispronounced it, I've never been misunderstood, so I don't think it'll bring major problems in communication. You often "guess" what the person says out of the context so, if midnight a Russian girl tells you "I'm sleepy... goot night, I'm off to bet", since she mispronounced "good" for "goot", you know that "off to bet" doesn't mean she's going to play poker

I know 3 words: da, ni, suka

Russian is one of the hardest languages to learn.

We conjugate both verbs AND nouns.

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Originally posted by Yan We conjugate both verbs AND nouns.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf

Well maybe "conjugate" isn't the right word...

An example would be like:

"To drink", in Russian, is "piht".
"Water", in Russian, is "vada".

But if you want to say "drink water", it's "pey vohdoo".

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Originally posted by Yan Russian is one of the hardest languages to learn. We conjugate both verbs AND nouns.

I heard Japenese is the hardest.

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Originally posted by jonSun I heard Japenese is the hardest.

Japanese is easy. I'm learning it right now and it's nowhere near as hard as Russian.

All that's challenging is memorizing the different kanji.

Otherwise, Chinese is the hardest if you plan on the memorizing the thousands of dialects.

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Originally posted by miamitrance04 porque no hablamos espanol???

Quien? Aprendi espanol por 8 anos pero yo nunca lo utilizo y yo lo me olvido.

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Originally posted by Yan Japanese is easy. I'm learning it right now and it's nowhere near as hard as Russian. All that's challenging is memorizing the different kanji.

Erm, not really.

Despite of the exceptions, Russian conjugation of nouns, adjectives and verbs is by no means harder than the Japanese conjugation of adjective, verbs and the extensive use of particles. Oh, and Japanese has a more complex way of addressing people.

First of all, Russian has a strictly smaller amount of time tenses (if you don't count perfective and imperfective verbs as being the same thing, every verb has, at most, 2 forms), whereas there are 5 or 6 forms for every Japanese verb (not counting the suffixes, so I'm counting "kaite", "kaita" and "kaki" as the same form of the verb "kaku"). The only feature of Russian verbs that is more complex than Japanese verb conjugation is naturally, the persons (whereas you have only "kakimasu" in formal Japanese, for example, you'd have "pishu", "pishet" and all the other forms). That could be explained by a completely different use of pronouns in Japanese.

As for the adjective conjugation, Japanese does conjugate adjectives as well, and it is in fact more complex than Russian conjugation because not only you conjugate the case (most adjectives in Japanese are actually adjective verbs) but the time tense.

Finally, the noun conjugation is a bit tricky. In a very strict sense, you can consider the particles as noun suffixes, which would remind a foreign student of that padezh thing in Russian. So "ya cobaky vizhu" and "Cobaka menya videt" could be considered analogue to "(watashi wa) inu wo mitte iru" and "Inu wa watashi wo mitte iru".

Obviously, there are things about Russian language that are more complex than their Japanese counterpart (such as phonology), but it's not accurate to say that a certain language is harder than another. They're completely different things.

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Originally posted by Yan Otherwise, Chinese is the hardest if you plan on the memorizing the thousands of dialects.

I'm trying to understand what someone would do this for: once you learn the national dialect, you might want to learn a regional dialect (which can be as different as another language), but not only you can't count them all as being a single language (for studying purposes)... and this is mostly optional.

u guys forgot,!!!!

BLYAT
#1 RULE, After every sentence or if sentance is too long, so after every 5 words, you HAVE to say BLYAT in there...
#1 rule, fuck the rest, this is all u need to know, blyat


now, wheres my absolute!!!

PS: i forgot to mention it means Shit or f*ck hehe, same thing almost

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Originally posted by Lira Well, it sure depends on your conception of "perfect pronounciation" and what your mother tongue is. Learning other European languages may often be tricky for English native speakers when it comes to pronounciation, I reckon. Whereas you guys enhance the difference between "pie" and "buy" by aspirating the "p" a little bit, it doesn't always happen, so you might have problems when trying to distinguish these sounds in other languages (but don't worry - even though this will show your foreign accent, you will be understood). This sort of problem may happen with many other consonants (specially the letter "r": you guys seem to often perceive our "r" as one or several "t" and "d" in a row), but in most cases there will be communication. The same goes for vowels (English has a quite "fixed" vowel and dipthongs system), so you might have some problems in this case too, but some practice can once again improve pronounciation. Anyway, probably the thing people complain the most about Russian language is the palatalisation (i.e. soft consonants and dypthongs). This shouldn't be that much of a problem though, because when it's properly explained you can have a better idea of how to say it. Anyway, most times I mispronounced it, I've never been misunderstood, so I don't think it'll bring major problems in communication. You often "guess" what the person says out of the context so, if midnight a Russian girl tells you "I'm sleepy... goot night, I'm off to bet", since she mispronounced "good" for "goot", you know that "off to bet" doesn't mean she's going to play poker

that type of mispronounciation as a rule occurs with people, particularly Russians as you mention, when they're not conversant with the english language; by and large coming to pass when a Russian person essays to learn english at middle-age or later.

and if you're, incidentally, a person who's native language is none other than Russian, but have likewise become fluent in English, such as myself, you shan't have a problem with uttering "R" in both fashions

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Originally posted by Vlad Ya hachoo prosto naytee peezdu vpervich. Patom boodim doomat shto sney delat.

.....wtf I said I wanted to learn russian. I feel as if I'm being left out of the conv...

You don't speak Russian...Russian speaks you


Oh..and the Blyat thing ... funny...we hear those fools say that every time they make a mistake on the ice playing hockey...so you know it isn't the first thing you say when you step off the plane in Moscow

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Originally posted by Mebot Nyet = no vodka = vodka tetris = tetris thats all you need to know.. you're set

omfg post of teh year!!!!
i spat out my tootsie roll pop for that

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