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Originally posted by push01 The point about playing similar tunes on a tour is valid and PvD has done that but for an album that hasnt even been released. It has just been ripped and therefore people know many of the tracks. Tiesto on the other hand is playing mostly tracks from albums released like a yr ago or more. Lost Vaguness, Flesh, Silence and Eugina were on Oakey's Travelling and Another World albums. These albums were released 1 YEAR AGO, hello. Tiesto is playing tunes Oakey released so long ago--it is pathetic. Oakey was closing his set with the PROPHET a long time ago. This is why TIESTO=NEXT OAKENFOLD. PvD is playing new tracks and tracks that have only become popular in the last few weeks or months, not over a yr ago or like 8 months ago. Some are tracks that only he can like Second Sun, Autumn, Reach Me etc..not tunes that every Oakey-wanna be canes. It doesnt help that Tiesto acts like a clown and cares more about being an arrogant showman, a la Oakey. It is great to be pumped up and enthusiastic but he is ridiculous. Take a lesson from Carl Cox, a great dj who shows so much enthusiasm, not so much ego. The point about a dj having a limited amount of time and limited amount of records is a poor excuse. The great dj's have whitel labels and vinyl sent to them. Sasha, Digweed, PvD etc...have stuff sent to them FIRST before it reaches the public. Yet when I listen to a Tiesto set it is like I am listening to his cd's. A live club set should be a unique experience, not duplicable by just listening to a couple of released albums. There is something magical in going to a live set and being wowed by the exhiliration of hearing a track for the first time. It leaves you wanting more and wanting to find out just what that amazing track is. I know everyone has felt this amazing feeling and it is thoroughly exhilirating--THIS CANNOT BE DENIED. Tiesto doesnt allow this buzz and mesmerization, the feeling when hearing that never before heard track. Dj's who do this like Sasha, PvD, Cox, Seaman etc..."please" the crowd even more by blending old faves with new tracks that leave the crowd speechless. These dj's tour just as much and are just as busy as Tiesto. People will realize that Tiesto's sets sound great the first time hearing it live but not the second or third exact replica especially when played like a yr later. Instead Tiesto lovers should ask why he spins only 2-3 hours of recycled and very old tunes. Dont his fans deserve more? Why even buy new cd's or obtain sets? Just get your favorite Tiesto set and listen to it over and over for years. That is what Tiesto has done here in NYC. It is unacceptable. Dont you want more or will there be excuses for that also?

I agree wit that 100% !!! Tiesto is capable for more, but it seems he is following his press instead of listen to some new tunes.

my two cents

First off, this is perhaps one of the most entertaining threads yet!!! You never know what someone is going to say next. Anyway, I just saw Tiesto in Minneapolis and that performance was god awful. Track selection was fine. I'm not to concerned if it is old or new stuff long as they are good tracks. But poor spinning is just frustrating when I'm paying $$ to see someone F#$%-up 10+ times.Go practice at home Tiesto, not on stage.

-RH

Alot of you guys are being pathetic...you are all taking Tiesto for granted...What about all those who havent seen him live cus he never comes here...if tiesto played a set here i would go and i really wouldnt give a shit what he played the experience would be incredible. I personally would love to hear the bes tracks which are the ones hes been playing lately....i dont want to pay money to go listen to some tracks that he just pulled out of his record bag......i mean who the hell are you to judge what tiesto playes in his sets....its his bloody set...if know what to expect then dont go.....its as simple as that

Thats my 2 cents

Psi

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Originally posted by Kia Kaha Hey TG, you should be glad you're not into rock! What about when a big group like U2 or the Stones or something go on tour, they play the exact same set, same order, same stage effects and light show every night for like 18 months at a time, and no one disses them for it, even their fans that follow them round and see them every single night

My friend has seen the Smashing Pumpkins 27x...he said each time (city) it was a diff experience. They change it up & JAM!

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For you to expect to get 'impressed & blown away' with new material every time you go to see a big name DJ is totally not realistic, classic tunes like that just don't get released by the dozens every week! I'd rather hear a set of relatively up to date songs that I know are top quality even if I've already heard them. A few classics as well, if there's a few promising new tracks dropped into a set then that's excellent, but I wouldn't wanna hear new material for the sake of new material if it's just filler tracks.

Obviously I don't want to hear (new) mediocre floor fillers. Are u implying there is no good music being produced...they should just play classics?! Thats absurd. Yes I go out expecting to hear fresh tunes...DJ's have access to acetates, white labels, obscure rare remixes that won't be released for at least 6 months, sometimes never. I want to be entertained, dazzled.

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With regard to 'For an Angel', personally if I'm going to go pay loads of cash to see a big name DJ that also writes and produces, like Tiesto, Corsten or PvD, I kind of would be disappointed if they didn't at least play some of their own classic stuff. I don't reckon that life could get much better, than being totally caned off my tits at a PvD show and hearing him drop 'For an Angel', even if I had heard it once or twice before, you know what I mean?

Of course I expect PVD & Tiesto to drop their own material...they are artists. But the past 4x I've seen PVD he's closed w/for an angel. My gripe is he has produced so many other stellar tracks that he could close with ie: how much can u take?, love stimulation, face to face. More ppl would know those tunes if he closed w/them.

Bravo Push! We are on the same fookin page! It's down right insulting to play old played out tunes. Some of you are giving lame excuses "he can't carry so many records on tour or there isn't that much quality trance being made" Since 99?! Thats bullshit. If thats the case, experiment, pl ay other genres, mix it up a lil bit. Throw in some hot breaks or unleash some fierce techno. A good DJ isn't stale & predictable.

Paul won`t never cloze with Humate. hehe. that's for a fact.

AS about Visions of Shiva... hmmmmm... dunno.

A good track for clozing would be.... WORDS, Paul's For love Mix


Many Greetings,

f0x

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Originally posted by Starfox Paul won`t never cloze with Humate. hehe. that's for a fact. AS about Visions of Shiva... hmmmmm... dunno. A good track for clozing would be.... WORDS, Paul's For love Mix Many Greetings, f0x

He hasn't played words since 99. Y not love stimulation? He co wrote it. How much can u take? is a masterpiece! He should close with Another Way or Face to Face.

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Originally posted by Twilogoddess It's a joke...lighten up ppl. I don't work in a record store. A DJ playing is a performance subject to critique. I go for the music not to eat pills & get laid like some ppl.

haha, its all about the music, and the women, and the drugs

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Originally posted by djpsi Alot of you guys are being pathetic...you are all taking Tiesto for granted...What about all those who havent seen him live cus he never comes here...if tiesto played a set here i would go and i really wouldnt give a shit what he played the experience would be incredible. I personally would love to hear the bes tracks which are the ones hes been playing lately....i dont want to pay money to go listen to some tracks that he just pulled out of his record bag......i mean who the hell are you to judge what tiesto playes in his sets....its his bloody set...if know what to expect then dont go.....its as simple as that Thats my 2 cents Psi

We are not taking Tiesto for granted....after all we are paying $30 to hear him spin so we do have a right to gripe if he is not up to standard. From what i have read ppl are not saying that Tiesto is a shit DJ, cause he is not...but when he fucks up more then a few times during his mix and he plays the same tunes that he did on his magik 7 album (which was almost the same as his revolution album) u have to question what Tiesto has been up to.

Let's look at his track record...

He was a great producer and DJ a few years ago...when he worked on tracks under the Kamaya Painters, Hammock Brothers and his other names...now he's a big time producer he wants to work alone and look at the result...His latest album can only be described as disappointing, with the exception of Flight 643 and Urban Train, In my Memory is quite mediocre. I'm not saying that I'm better then Tiesto but I do know that he is capable of doing better.

Now let's look at his sets...I have quite a few of his older sets and I can say that if he was spinning the way he was a few years ago no one would be complaining...now look at his recent sets...most of them are filled with the same tunes that he has on his albums. I don't mind when he drops his own tunes cause ppl expect him to drop those, but when he drops

CJ Bolland - The Prophet
Salt Talk - Eugina
Utah Saints - Lost Vaugness
Shilller - Das Glocknespeill
INSIGMA - open your eyes

i have to think that he hasn't bothered to check out new tunes. I don't mind DJ's playing tunes that they like or tunes that they have on their upcomming CD's like PVD did....but the tunes that Tiesto dropped the last time around are 8 months old...come on...any respectable DJ could have dropped those tunes and ppl would have had a good time. I consider Tiesto a top DJ and as such I want to hear him drop unknown tunes that will make me ask the question "Damn that Tune was awesome !!! What the fuck was that ???!!!" I rememeber DJ's like PVD and Sasha doing that when they spin live...they drop well known tracks that ppl expect them to but along with that they also drop new freash tunes that ppl haven't heard. It's the reason they are top DJ's...they can pick out top tunes that have not been released and play them months in advance. Tiesto seems to have become complacement over the past few months...and It has been showing in his performances. It's all good being a cool guy and working the crowd behind the decks but the most important thing is the music right....Well show us the Music Tiesto !!!

PS. I will go and check out Tiesto again when he comes back to TO in the hope that he will spin a different kinda set...The man has obviously got talent...I just hope he proves it next time around.

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Originally posted by Twilogoddess He hasn't played words since 99. Y not love stimulation? He co wrote it. How much can u take? is a masterpiece! He should close with Another Way or Face to Face.

Face 2 Face and Another Way are good tunes but they are not closing tunes....i have heard him drop both tunes in the middle of his sets...

PVD like most DJ's loves to finish with a Bang and those tunes are not the kinda one's he'd use to finish his types of sets.

BTW. I don't mind when he drops For an Angel for an encore...but I love it when he plays encore set instead of just dropping a single tune...

I remember he spun a really short 20 min encore set at Twilo once....If memory serves me correct it was :

Des Mitchell - Welcome to the Dance
Thrillseekers - Synaesthia (PVD Mix) <- Months before it was released
PVD - For an Angel

Now that's a fucking encore.....left the crowd drolling for more PVD

kytracid, i've seen tiesto 4 times now in toronto, and he spun a different set everytime...

I think Push finished this thread off! Well said!

I do think some people are being overly critical on occasion tho. We are in the USA, not Europe, so therefore Djs play down to our level no matter who they are. You can hear brand new tunes at Ibiza cause thats like the World Series, you bring your 'A' game with you. As for Tiesto fucking up 10+ times in Minnesota, frankly I am amazed he played there and you should prolly be thankful. Tiesto will NOT be coming to Michigan in the forseeable future, nor has he been to Colorado yet. These are the places I really only have access to this type of music, but BELIEVE ME, if I ever get the chance I am damn thankful for the experience whether its was my best or not...late/

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Originally posted by biznology I think Push finished this thread off! Well said! I do think some people are being overly critical on occasion tho. We are in the USA, not Europe, so therefore Djs play down to our level no matter who they are. You can hear brand new tunes at Ibiza cause thats like the World Series, you bring your 'A' game with you. As for Tiesto fucking up 10+ times in Minnesota, frankly I am amazed he played there and you should prolly be thankful. Tiesto will NOT be coming to Michigan in the forseeable future, nor has he been to Colorado yet. These are the places I really only have access to this type of music, but BELIEVE ME, if I ever get the chance I am damn thankful for the experience whether its was my best or not...late/

I think ppl are critical because they expect a certain level of performance...if i pay $5 and go and see DJ Joe then I'm not going to write a critque on him...but this is Tiesto we are talking about. The fact that he is a big name DJ and we are paying $30 to see him is the reason why ppl are disappointed when he does not produce the goods.

As far as playing in America being the reason he was not up to par. I don't agree with that. Many top DJ's come to America and give outstanding sets...just cause we are in N America does not mean we don't know about music...I hate it when ppl assume that ppl in N America don't know shit about trance...that's bullshit. Anyway I can only assume that Tiesto did not give his best last time round that's why I'll definately go and hear him again.

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Originally posted by Kia Kaha I don't reckon that life could get much better, than being totally caned off my tits at a PvD show and hearing him drop 'For an Angel', even if I had heard it once or twice before, you know what I mean?

Yeah hearing him do it once, twice, three times fine. But just think we in NyC got to see Paul every other month...we heard for an angel PLENTY of times...for him to keep closing with it here and at other places is weak...I luv PvD but hes got faults too...like spinning Tell me Why twice in a nite...and shit like that. But paul has an knack for being able to just hit you hard and switch stuff up. I think words isnt a good choice for a closing song..but Another Way would def be awesome....I luv when he busts out Cream...he did it in April of 01 at Twilo and before that he hadnt spun it there in AGES! He seems to be pretty good at rotating his productions throughout his set so it doesnt seem like self promotion.

I want PVD to bring some of his other older tunes into rotation....

anyone ever hear him drop "Forbidden Fruit" or "Seven Ways" ??? Ahhh those are true masterpieces...even "Namastai" would be pretty cool to hear once again in a club.

I agree that PVD has been overplaying some of his recent tunes...It's time he stopped dropping "We are Alive" I don't mind the tune that much but it's really featured in almost every set of his and It's not that great a tune. Also when it comes to For an Angel, I'd love to hear him drop the Astrax mix or the Way out West mix of that tune....not for an encore of course but during his set. I can so imagine him dropping For an Angel (Ashtrax Mix) as his second or third tune in his sets.

Have you guys noticed that, lately, Tiesto ALWAYS plays Hidden Flight/ Flight 643/ Fancy Fair??? I mean....you can dig a certain mix, but to play it al over? My bf also has his fave records to mix but he likes to try new records to see if they even improve that mix...logical ey?

Anywayz, I agree with TG about ...avtually... everything, but mainly 1 thing...PVD IS GOD!!!

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus [...]...PVD IS GOD!!!

i dIE!

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Originally posted by Kytracid Face 2 Face and Another Way are good tunes but they are not closing tunes....i have heard him drop both tunes in the middle of his sets... PVD like most DJ's loves to finish with a Bang and those tunes are not the kinda one's he'd use to finish his types of sets. \ I remember he spun a really short 20 min encore set at Twilo once....If memory serves me correct it was : Des Mitchell - Welcome to the Dance Thrillseekers - Synaesthia (PVD Mix) <- Months before it was released PVD - For an Angel Now that's a fucking encore.....left the crowd drolling for more PVD

He beat those tunes to death!!! I just think that Paul doesn't need to relie on For an Angel anymore. It's not like he's some 1 hit wonder. He made that tune in 93...he has made so many other brilliant tunes that are relatively unknown b/c he doesn't close with them. EVERYONE knows for an angel & half the crowd wants to hear it, the other half thinks its tired.

Biznology: IBIZA is NOT the place for fresh tunes. Ibiza is about PARTYING! I was there for a month & was musically disappointed. The Winter Music Conference in Miami is where DJ's from all around the world gather to show off their skills. It might be in Vegas this year.

For the Record..I paid $35 to see Tiesto, others paid up to $46.

if Paul plays Des Mitchell i know many of you would die hehe..

hehehe u pirate!!

ok i apparently am overusing Ibiza as an example but i am simply just saying that Europe is where all this stuff begins, and so far the logical progression of trance has been Europe, Canada and then the US. i understand that they are performers and should display a decent amount of enthusiasm, etc., but they are just DJs, its mainly about track selection and mixing, and not much else. As Orbital said 'DJs are the pop stars of electronic music' so you dont always have to get your panties in a twist over them. As far as any 'performance' goes, live PA artists have been better than ALL DJs I have seen thus far, well except for maybe Uberzone, but thats really more of a taste issue than anything else, hes ok. i think being TAs we fail to realize occasionally that most people dont have any opinion on anything we do here, and also that we exalt DJs like Tiesto to an almost mythical level. Some of my greatest experiences have come from those I never expected it from like BT, before I knew who he was (also a live artist). late/

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Originally posted by bluE_Neon hehehehehehe dis is 2 funny, ppl think dat Tiesto is da same as Oakie...well, he's not and he never will be, first of all, THEY R 2 DIFFERENT STYLES OF MUSIK, some idiot from da net obviously doesn't know da difference between Oakie and Tiesto...a stupid thread, yet again ppl dissing Tiesto, as seeing him 2 Oakie, pathetic however made da pic, has no understanding of those 2 dj's

DUDE I AGREE WITH YOUR POST 100000000000%

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Originally posted by Twilogoddess He beat those tunes to death!!! I just think that Paul doesn't need to relie on For an Angel anymore. It's not like he's some 1 hit wonder. He made that tune in 93...he has made so many other brilliant tunes that are relatively unknown b/c he doesn't close with them. EVERYONE knows for an angel & half the crowd wants to hear it, the other half thinks its tired. Biznology: IBIZA is NOT the place for fresh tunes. Ibiza is about PARTYING! I was there for a month & was musically disappointed. The Winter Music Conference in Miami is where DJ's from all around the world gather to show off their skills. It might be in Vegas this year. For the Record..I paid $35 to see Tiesto, others paid up to $46.

Hmmmm I never said that he should finish his recent sets with the above mentioned tunes...Like I said, I prefere it when he finished with an encore set rather then just play the whole of For an Angel.

BTW. I do agree that PVD has many tunes that he could close with but Face 2 Face is not one of them...if u know music (and u say u do) then u'll realize that PVD would never finish with a tune like Face 2 Face, it's not powerfull nuff for the great man. He'd drop that tune somewhere in the middle of a set.

Also. People who know PVD's music know that For an Angel is just one of his great productions...but for the rest of the masses it's the song that people associate with PVD and that's why he drops it as an encore. I've seen PVD quite a few times and he always drops Angel somewhere in his set and ppl still love it. Personally I would love to hear him drop other mixes of that tune but the E-Werk Mix is undoubtely the best. My fav PVD tune still remains "Forbidden Fruit" and "Avenue"....those are true masterpieces...

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Originally posted by Starfox if Paul plays Des Mitchell i know many of you would die hehe..

He permantely retired that track. 1 of the Twiloites emailed Markus before the 2 yr anniversary demanding new tunes, a hard "european" set no fluff, (1998, born slippy). PVD destroyed us! He was challenged & kicked our asses for 8 hours! I lost my shit when he played "Questions must be asked & The couch."

Questionsssssssssss... i like Kayestone Remix

Questions must be asked = EXCELLENT song

..and my favorite PvD production to date has to be his remix of Thrillseekers - Synesthasia.... (i know, let the flaming begin)... i LOVE that record...

I can't stand "For An Angel", "Tell me Why", or "Words", or even "forbidden fruit".... I like some of PvD's livesets, except when he drops his own shit. i dont know why, but for some reason, his tracks just sound cheezy to me. maybe b/c they're old and i've heard them a million times?

All this talk of spinning old records reminds me of the Oakenfold complaints.... everyone always bitches that Oakie spins the same stuff... Glockenspiel, PPK, Prophet, Ubik, etc.... but the fact of the matter is that was stuff he was spinning like 6-8 months ago. I have seen him 4 times in the last 8 months, and i only heard PPK and Prophet in the first time. The rest of the times were other tracks that we know, but no repeats, and a LOT of tracks that i didnt know. (saw oakie twice at Orbit, Once at Shadow Lounge @ WMC, and Once at Mekka)... I know that Oakie was the king of reusing music, but enough with the generalizations... those days are no more. Now he spins weird progressive/breakbeat/trance sets, that honestly, aren't as good as his sets used to be, but at least they are new and switched up!

I know thats totally unrelated to the conversation at hand, but i just remembered that so forgive me.

I like Tiesto, PvD, and Oakenfold.

-ABT-

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