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Clement to the Redsox.

Mulder to the Cards for Haren, Colero, & Daric Barton.
Now the A's are in position to compete for the NEXT 5 years. Beane is awesome. The A's now have the best bullpen in baseball (on paper, who knows how they will perform).


And anyone who thinks that all Omar is going to do this off season is sign Pedro needs to open their eyes. I still wouldn't be surprised to see:

Reyes
Matsui
Wright
Manny
Piazza
Alou
Cameron
Mientkiewicz

They're going hard after Delgado now. Probably Beltran too.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Mulder to the Cards for Haren, Colero, & Daric Barton. Now the A's are in position to compete for the NEXT 5 years. Beane is awesome. The A's now have the best bullpen in baseball (on paper, who knows how they will perform). And anyone who thinks that all Omar is going to do this off season is sign Pedro needs to open their eyes. I still wouldn't be surprised to see: Reyes Matsui Wright Manny Piazza Alou Cameron Mientkiewicz They're going hard after Delgado now. Probably Beltran too.

I don't see Boston trading Manny. If they did, Theo is smart enough to get value in return. I see the Dodgers making a very strong push for Delgado if the RJ trade goes down. I don't see the Mets making a push for Beltran. They may try but if he's going to NY, he'll go to the Yankees. They will always outspend everybody. The question is does he just merely want the most money. So then Houston and Chicago (if they trade Sosa) would be the front contenders.

But if the Yankees end up with Beltran AND Randy Johnson.. fawk.. you got to be kidding me. That's a good off-season.

Omar Minaya isn't bad though. Sure, they'll get somebody.

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Originally posted by Member of X I don't see Boston trading Manny. If they did, Theo is smart enough to get value in return. I see the Dodgers making a very strong push for Delgado if the RJ trade goes down. I don't see the Mets making a push for Beltran. They may try but if he's going to NY, he'll go to the Yankees. They will always outspend everybody. The question is does he just merely want the most money. So then Houston and Chicago (if they trade Sosa) would be the front contenders. But if the Yankees end up with Beltran AND Randy Johnson.. fawk.. you got to be kidding me. That's a good off-season. Omar Minaya isn't bad though. Sure, they'll get somebody.

Rumor had it during the winter meetings, the redsox were very close to trading Manny to the Mets for Cliff Floyd. The Redsox would have then heavily pursued J.D Drew but Omar wanted an additional $12 million to eat up Manny's contract which Theo refused and immediately cut off ties.

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Originally posted by Member of X I don't see Boston trading Manny. If they did, Theo is smart enough to get value in return. I see the Dodgers making a very strong push for Delgado if the RJ trade goes down. I don't see the Mets making a push for Beltran. They may try but if he's going to NY, he'll go to the Yankees. They will always outspend everybody. The question is does he just merely want the most money. So then Houston and Chicago (if they trade Sosa) would be the front contenders. But if the Yankees end up with Beltran AND Randy Johnson.. fawk.. you got to be kidding me. That's a good off-season. Omar Minaya isn't bad though. Sure, they'll get somebody.

The Red Sox were going to trade Manny to the Mets. Ludawg just said that.

But if Beltran is going to come to NY, it doesn't mean it has to be the Yankees. He may not want to be just another superstar on the Yankees and he may want to be the superstar on the Mets. Also, the Yankees CAN'T continue to overspend on everyone, despite popular belief. They don't have an infinite amount of revenue. The Mets right now are going for it all (not that I like it, but now I have to start thinking like they are) and I could easily see them overpaying for Beltran. Something like 7/120... or something crazy like that. While I still think that Beltran will end up in either Houston or with the Yankees, don't count out Minaya.

The Yankees spending is NEARLY infinite. I don't think spending $$ on Beltran is a concern to the Yankees. I think it's more up to where Carlos wants to go. As long as the Yanks got RJ, I'm pretty happy to be honest anyway. I just don't foresee George Steinbrenner ever being outspent by the Mets. I just don't. He could as you say just want to go to the Mets for other reasons. Sure.

It'll be awhile before we know anyhow.

Hey, take Manny. Make Boston worse. Cool!!

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Originally posted by Member of X The Yankees spending is NEARLY infinite. I don't think spending $$ on Beltran is a concern to the Yankees. I think it's more up to where Carlos wants to go. As long as the Yanks got RJ, I'm pretty happy to be honest anyway. I just don't foresee George Steinbrenner ever being outspent by the Mets. I just don't. He could as you say just want to go to the Mets for other reasons. Sure. It'll be awhile before we know anyhow. Hey, take Manny. Make Boston worse. Cool!!

i cringe whenever the mets outfield has to make a play. i guess it's a natural reaction after having had roger cedeno in the outfield for a few years

my chips are in for beltran now that RJ deal is almost inked...
As for the superstar statement mentioned above...wouldn't you think that playing around a bunch of good players distinguishes who a great player is? it's easy to stick out when you are playing around a bunch of mediocre players vs sticking out among a bunch of above par players. makes you look even more superb. this also applies to the reverse, if you aren't doing so good it makes you look like you can't compete on their level....

i said it before...thats what the yankees are about, they make avg players play better and great players look like MVPs. thats what you get from a core of veteran players who all have above par talent - jeter, bernie, a-rod, sheff, and now a decent rotation which I believe is going to be capped by RJ but moose offers that sage wisdom for the pen.

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i said it before...thats what the yankees are about, they make avg players play better and great players look like MVPs.

this has only been true in the recent past -- the mets, meanwhile,seem to have the opposite effect, with free agents coming here and disappearing or putting themselves on cruise control while collecting paychecks...

that's what happens when you shit on your farm system and depend on big names...

in other news, pedro has dropped his good luck charm -- i was looking forward to his clubhouse hijinks...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...2p-225837c.html

Starting this year, Seilg is going to be monitoring teams spending. He will take into account a teams payroll and all other expenses (luxury tax) and then take into account all revenue. If a team isn't making a certain % over what they are spending, then he will take action. I'm not saying the Yankees are close to that, but they dont have an infinite amount of revenue, contrary to popular belief.

Sal, I know what you mean. But Cammy took all my fears away last year. Dude is the real deal. And he just had surgery on his hand, so many his bat will pick up a little bit...

Brian, I see what you're saying. But Beltran isn't a superstar on the Yankees. He'd be getting paid like one, but he really isn't as good as people think he is. On the Mets, he'd be THE guy. He'd take over for Piazza as the face of the franchise. The marketing opportunities for him are endless with the Mets (and other non-Yankee teams). I still think he'll end up a Yankee, but I have faith that Omar will at least drive up how much the Yankees wind up paying for him. But the Mets need Beltran WAY more than the Yankees do. He, along with Pedro, would make us relevant again.

the d-backs, dodgers and yankees have submitted the paperwork for the big unit deal...it's all up to selig now

There's a few steps remaining actually but all of which are supposed to happen w/o a hitch.

1. Selig approval
2. Contract extensions for RJ and Shawn Green
3. Medical exams

I've always admired RJ. The toughest pitcher I've ever seen in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Member of X There's a few steps remaining actually but all of which are supposed to happen w/o a hitch. 1. Selig approval 2. Contract extensions for RJ and Shawn Green 3. Medical exams I've always admired RJ. The toughest pitcher I've ever seen in my opinion.

totally agree, toughest pitcher in MLB.

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Originally posted by ludawg23 totally agree, toughest pitcher in MLB.

true. and this includes BEFORE he learned to pitch instead of just throwing it in there

+ I think he neutralizes Papi Ortiz in the playoffs (at least in the games he pitches). I don't mind the extra guy thrown in the deal too, Kaz Ishii. He's got electric stuff and is left handed. He has awful control but as 5th starter (Kevin Brown gets booted) or as a lefty in the bullie, sounds potentially intriguing.

My feelings is that the Yanks have got the best of the off-season in comparison to the Sox so far . Beltran would really make it a very solid winter for NY.

Renteria > Cabrera (not by a lot I think)
Clement < Pedro
Wells > Lowe (but lots of injury/age ?'s here)
Jay Payton = Roberts (-Roberts amazing speed + Payton better overall)

Nothing spectacular so far. Surely there will be more....I know.

Unit >> Vasquez (please)
Pavano > K Brown (K Brown is a piece of crap!)
Wright = Lieber (tough to say at this point, shaky move IMO)
Stanton/Rodriguez > Heredia, etc (Heredia is the worst pitcher in recorded history)

Cairo > Womack (Womack had a career year. Not happy about that move)

Obviously Beltran is way better than Bernie....

Who knows about Giambi's juice. I don't care about that loser!!

Jorge is better than Varitek, hes 37 and wants a 5 year contract as catcher

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Originally posted by politicsofdancin Jorge is better than Varitek, hes 37 and wants a 5 year contract as catcher

They're about even. Tek hits for higher average, Posada walks more. And Tek's defense is WAY better than Jorge.

And Tek is 33. And he wants a 4 year deal.

And sorry to burst all your collective bubbles, but (as of now) the Randy Johnson deal is dead. It likely will still get done, but will probably not include the Dodgers. So who knows who the Yanks can find to take Vasquez without paying nearly all of his contract.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1951207

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Tek's defense is WAY better than Jorge.

+1

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Originally posted by Member of X Cairo > Womack (Womack had a career year. Not happy about that move)

Last time I checked, so did Cairo.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Last time I checked, so did Cairo.

True dat but he's 4 years younger and generally considered to be a slightly better fielder. Womack career wise has a pretty low OB%. Anyway, it's tough to say for certain.

Yeah, I think the Unit trade will go through eventually with another 3rd team. Probably January sometime.

Wow... this is a little silly. I knew Shawn Green had a no-trade and I knew Rnady Johnson had a no-trade, but this is pretty crazy:

Vasquez Refuses to go to L.A. for Physical...

I still believe RJ and Beltran are making it into pin stripes and the move by vasquez is simply retarded let alone the fear of giving up the baseclearer in the fall classic still must haunt him. he's obviously making this move out of greed which i'm sure stein isn't too happy about. as reported in the post he is on vacation with his newborn and to be honest, like most MLB players, wouldn't you think this would only take 1 day to do be it that get flown around in private jets.

Womack>Cairo on this one. Cairo I think just lacks the experience that Womack has. Career wise, his OB% is low, but his glove is slightly better not to mention his 90ft speed (when compared to cairo). I'd honestly like to see him holding up the rear end giving the yanks base stealing threat low in the order and enough speed for the top of the order to manufacture runs.

Posada>Varitek - that's an easy easy choice. Defensively and Offensively Varitek's number might pose more productive but honestly the catcher's main role is to call a good game, know all your pitchers and their pitch selections not to mention the batters as well. Those numbers that the bench compares in matchups verse batters are essential for a catcher to know. I'm all in on Jorge as he is my favorite yankee player. He has the heart which compensates for preformance.

Beltran and Bernie, both belong to Boras, how will it work? Talks speculating Beltran to take the 3/4 slot, moving sheff into 4th which is something I wouldn't do. I'd go with
Jeter,A-Rod,Sheff,Matsui,Beltran,Bernie,Posada,1stBase,Womack pending who fills donny's corner. Delgado would be a decent acquisition for the corner along with Olreud provided that they didn't let him go. I highly doubt Giambi will be in pin stripes nor will his career ever go anywhere. If the yankees put him back in pinstripes they would only be proactively supporting the roid use. Something I don't think stein wants to reflect. However, say we remove all speculation about Giambi and he returns healthy, where would he bat? You think his bat could sit behind Beltran? Possibly really low in the order behind bernie? It'd pose a definite issue but remember any one swinging in the bottom of the order gets a much better pitch selection, in the yankee's case, their meat of the lineup extends into the bottom of the order which is definitely good for the yanks.

On yea and for the home opener against the sox - I got it baby game 2 and 3 section 7 next to yankee ondeck batting circle 2 seats for both games. yea its completely on...

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Originally posted by kid nyce I still believe RJ and Beltran are making it into pin stripes and the move by vasquez is simply retarded let alone the fear of giving up the baseclearer in the fall classic still must haunt him. he's obviously making this move out of greed which i'm sure stein isn't too happy about. as reported in the post he is on vacation with his newborn and to be honest, like most MLB players, wouldn't you think this would only take 1 day to do be it that get flown around in private jets. Womack>Cairo on this one. Cairo I think just lacks the experience that Womack has. Career wise, his OB% is low, but his glove is slightly better not to mention his 90ft speed (when compared to cairo). I'd honestly like to see him holding up the rear end giving the yanks base stealing threat low in the order and enough speed for the top of the order to manufacture runs. Posada>Varitek - that's an easy easy choice. Defensively and Offensively Varitek's number might pose more productive but honestly the catcher's main role is to call a good game, know all your pitchers and their pitch selections not to mention the batters as well. Those numbers that the bench compares in matchups verse batters are essential for a catcher to know. I'm all in on Jorge as he is my favorite yankee player. He has the heart which compensates for preformance. Beltran and Bernie, both belong to Boras, how will it work? Talks speculating Beltran to take the 3/4 slot, moving sheff into 4th which is something I wouldn't do. I'd go with Jeter,A-Rod,Sheff,Matsui,Beltran,Bernie,Posada,1stBase,Womack pending who fills donny's corner. Delgado would be a decent acquisition for the corner along with Olreud provided that they didn't let him go. I highly doubt Giambi will be in pin stripes nor will his career ever go anywhere. If the yankees put him back in pinstripes they would only be proactively supporting the roid use. Something I don't think stein wants to reflect. However, say we remove all speculation about Giambi and he returns healthy, where would he bat? You think his bat could sit behind Beltran? Possibly really low in the order behind bernie? It'd pose a definite issue but remember any one swinging in the bottom of the order gets a much better pitch selection, in the yankee's case, their meat of the lineup extends into the bottom of the order which is definitely good for the yanks.

Womack should lead off. Slots everyone into better spots in the order. And Beltran is a 2 or 3 hitter, not 5.

Also, as for Posada and Varitek, put them on any other teams besides the Yankees and Red Sox, and Varitek is clearly the better player. However, in this case, each one is more valuable to his respective team, so it doesn't really matter.

I'm so glad the Giants signed Alou. I thought for sure that he'd be a Met. Whew...

Also, the Mets are looking at Eric Byrnes. If we could trade 1 or 2 young guys for him (Phillips, Heilman, Seo, blah blah blah), I'd do it in a heartbeat. Byrnes is a nice player and wears his heart on his sleeve. Plus he gives us a CF option for when Cammy is out for the first month or so. Then switch him over to RF when Cammy comes back. Sounds good to me. That is, of course, if we don't land Beltran.

Sox sign Varitek.

Keeeeep going Theo. Spend as much money as you possibly can. Decide that you NEED Delgado to play first. Come on... realize that you need to free up some salary in order to make a run at whoever's available at the trade deadline next year. Come on Theo! You can do it.

**This thread is written in the hopes that, in order to free up salary, the Boston Red Stockings will decide that it is in their best interest to trade Manny Ramirez and Doug Mientkiewicz to the New York Metropolitans.**

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