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Posted by rooibos on Dec-19-2004 22:29:

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Originally posted by Zombie0915
Everyone ant their mother is trying to either sound like involver or ASOT, whatevery sound you are trying to copy, its still a ripoff and is bound to get stale if it happens too much.

Word. About the only pure form of electronic music left is ambient or photography, as it's impossible for any track to be the same.

Posted by Zombie0915 on Dec-19-2004 22:36:

On the note of calling McProg as American Progressive, as an American I have no problem at all with people using the word American to descirbe anything of substandard quality.

Call me unpatriotic all you want, but if we build a nice strong stereotype of America as stupid, fat, greedy, mass produced, ugly and cheap, then I think it will lead to more positive changes from Americans who try to fight the stereotype.

So you dont think there are any energetic forms of dance that are still pure? That really saddens me cuz I'm really trying to find one, do you think anything comes close?

Posted by RichieRich on Dec-19-2004 22:41:

say what you want about Tigerclaw, but the way i see it, at least he is trying to contribute to the scene. which is a little bit more than the mud being thrown around by some children in here, messing up the place.

Posted by Cobalt on Dec-19-2004 22:50:

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Originally posted by Zombie0915
There is an endless list of people canning that sasha and diggers sound at the moment. You can't say that most prog is any more original than McProg these days. Alot of people are hero-worshiping these dudes and think its ok to copy everything they play.

Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. But I pretty much gave up on the whole progressive movement by the end of 2002, when Sasha and Diggers went ridiculously minimal and dark, towing the rest of the progressive sound down with them.

With McProg there's much more intersection with trance, so it's difficult for trance fans to avoid. If people were constantly posting rave reviews about boring progressive tracks that sound like a drum loop, you can be sure it would be just as grating. Actually, two years ago during the prog wars that was the case on this board. All the prog-heads finally left, making way soon after for the Gabriel & Dresden fans to fill the void. This morphed into the American Progressive following, which over this year developed an unholy alliance with A State of Trance.

Posted by rooibos on Dec-19-2004 23:17:

quote:
Originally posted by X RichieRich X
say what you want about Tigerclaw, but the way i see it, at least he is trying to contribute to the scene. which is a little bit more than the mud being thrown around by some children in here, messing up the place.

It's all for good fun, at least for me anyways.

Posted by Radagast on Dec-19-2004 23:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Zombie0915
So you dont think there are any energetic forms of dance that are still pure? That really saddens me cuz I'm really trying to find one, do you think anything comes close?

Techno, House, Breaks, DnB.

Posted by Ory on Dec-19-2004 23:31:

Posted by RichieRich on Dec-19-2004 23:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Ory
Contribute? How? They're trying to make money by hammering the same old McProg recipe. How is that helping us find new and interesting music?

and they talk about americans being dumb. dude you are on one the biggest electronic music sites on the internet. if armin/markus isnt your cup of tea, find something else to listen to. and if you dont see how tiger is contributing, then i dont know what else to say, my condolences

Posted by noikeee on Dec-19-2004 23:48:

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Originally posted by Cobalt
Thank you for your compelling and thoughtful contribution.

Just as aside, I don't hold any particular antipathy to things American. After all, I live here and have a certain amount of respect for my nation. Nor are American goods substandard by default. It's just a popular generalization that applies well to the subgenre of music we're talking about.

I think he just wants you to start typing in a dumb way

Maybe we over-analyse these things, genres and tracks and whatever, but if everyone over here had the same attitude than InfiniteSquare, i'd get the fuck out of here very quickly.

Posted by arturob on Dec-19-2004 23:50:

Posted by Ory on Dec-19-2004 23:56:

quote:
Originally posted by X RichieRich X
and they talk about americans being dumb. dude you are on one the biggest electronic music sites on the internet. if armin/markus isnt your cup of tea, find something else to listen to. and if you dont see how tiger is contributing, then i dont know what else to say, my condolences

I'm just sick of seeing "OMG CH00N!!!" being said about every single mediocre track played on said radio shows, and then whine about DJ Sammy being cheesy. To anyone who does it; fuck off. Your taste in music sucks and so do you.

Posted by speedracer_mec on Dec-20-2004 00:03:

Proton Radio> ASOT/GDJB

If you want real progressive

Posted by RichieRich on Dec-20-2004 00:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Ory
I'm just sick of seeing "OMG CH00N!!!" being said about every single mediocre track played on said radio shows, and then whine about DJ Sammy being cheesy. To anyone who does it; fuck off. Your taste in music sucks and so do you.

you are missing my point. all i am saying if it bothers you that much that other people are enjoying it, maybe you are in the wrong place. take the time you spend on bashing to find something that YOU enjoy.

Posted by Dmatrox on Dec-20-2004 00:14:

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Proton Radio> ASOT/GDJB

If you want real progressive

agreed.

Proton radio, Digweeds Kiss 100 show, are great progressive sources.

Posted by Light The Fuse on Dec-20-2004 00:28:

Posted by Joca on Dec-20-2004 00:50:

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Originally posted by Ory
Yup, Markus should stay the hell off progressive. It's like his goal is to make it as formulaic and plain crap as anthem trance, thus making it not progressive at all.

Most of the stuff he produces and spins is Melodic/uplifting trance pitched down to 132-134 BPM range. I certainly wouldn't call these tracks progressive by any means. Progressive house and trance is produced by guys like Matthew Dekay, Steve Porter, Madoka, Bart Van Wissen and Michael Burns. Not guys like Rico Sorez, Perry O'Neil and Markus Schulz.

Markus and Armin are doing more bad then good for the genre IMO. Sure lots of up and coming producers can get their tracks played by these guys but the genre doesn't progress since they mostly play the same old melodic trance tracks.

Posted by torontotrance on Dec-20-2004 01:00:

Re: McProgressive

quote:
Originally posted by speedracer_mec
McProgressive : aka McProg aka McCheese Aka MarkusCheeseProg

What makes a tune mcprog?

Simple:

Step 1 should be "send it to GDJB so Markus can play it"

a)Work Really Hard On A Tune You Think Is Progressive Then Send It To Markus Schulz.

Step 2 Markus Schulz plays it for several weeks on GDJB which little mcprog addicts pee their pants yelling tune of the year.

Step 3 Markus Passes the tune to Armin Van Buuren and AVB features it on his New Tunes selections

Step 4 AVB plays it on ASOT For 50 weeks in a row and literally beats the tune inside out.

Step 5 Get it signed to avb's label (e.g. Interstate)
McProg Seal of Approval.

Current McProg Pioneers:
Markus S.
Perry Oneil
AVB

Current Tune Being Transformed into McProg Victim:
Interstate- I found you.

Conclusion:
Markus needs to stay the hell away from Progressive

ya forgot one, they rather ditch the innovative boundaries of music for the same ol crap, same ol everything, quick cashcrab

funny as heck mario

Posted by memusa on Dec-20-2004 01:13:

Wow...it never ceases to amaze me how fucking stupid some of the people in this forum can be when trying to fight against something that is beyond them.

Trance is the biggest thing in EDM right now...so USE IT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE! Why do you think guys like Perry or Ozgur are producing so many tracks with the same sound? Yes, because people dig that sound. If people dig that sound, does it necesarilly mean it is cheese? No. Not everything that's popular is cheese...get that into your heads.

I'm a huge huge U2 fan. I used to visit forums like these for U2 before but got so fed up with the attitude, similar to the one seen in these forums, where every song that became a hit, it was automatically too commercial for everyone there. All of a sudden you have U2 fans requesting setlists for concerts with songs that probably only 5% of the crowd in a concert venue have heard. That's a ridiculous attitude and people who think like this are simply put, pathetic.

I agree that not every tune in GDJB is good. But nor is every track played by Sander, Diggers or Zabiela in their sets. I mean, come on...I've heard some really bad tunes that are labeled as "pure progressive", yet because they are dark and trippy people label them as amazing. With greater quantity comes less quality. You have to understand that for EDM to progress, we need to put up with 7 crappy songs for every 1 great song. It's the same in every genre, but then again, that makes us appreciate great songs more.

Posted by Cobalt on Dec-20-2004 01:19:

quote:
Originally posted by memusa
I'm a huge huge U2 fan. I used to visit forums like these for U2 before but got so fed up with the attitude, similar to the one seen in these forums, where every song that became a hit, it was automatically too commercial for everyone there. All of a sudden you have U2 fans requesting setlists for concerts with songs that probably only 5% of the crowd in a concert venue have heard. That's a ridiculous attitude and people who think like this are simply put, pathetic.

Anyone who uses popularity alone as their standard of judgment for a track is just plain ignorant. There are a few people here who do this, yes. But most of the people who dislike the McProg movement do so based on the quality of what they hear, not how many people like it. They are frustrated that so many people seem unable to recognize poor quality, not simply that so many people like it.

Posted by Dmatrox on Dec-20-2004 01:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Cobalt
Anyone who uses popularity alone as their standard of judgment for a track is just plain ignorant. There are a few people here who do this, yes. But most of the people who dislike the McProg movement do so based on the quality of what they hear, not how many people like it. They are frustrated that so many people seem unable to recognize poor quality, not simply that so many people like it.

One mans trash is another mans treasure

Posted by memusa on Dec-20-2004 01:23:

Posted by AlphaStarred on Dec-20-2004 01:29:

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Originally posted by brian
me too, namely the mcnuggets with BBQ sauce.

are you gonna have fries with that?

coz i shure will!

Posted by brian on Dec-20-2004 01:55:

quote:
Originally posted by AlphaStarred
are you gonna have fries with that?

of course

Posted by RichieRich on Dec-20-2004 01:56:

Re: Re: McProgressive

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
ya forgot one, they rather ditch the innovative boundaries of music for the same ol crap, same ol everything, quick cashcrab

funny as heck mario

this train is never late! hop on board the elitist express!

Posted by dj_lane on Dec-20-2004 02:12:

i dont mind prog, but i really would like to know

WHERE DID GOOD OL' TRANCE GO?

ive been in love with trance for a long time, and in the last 6 months ive slowly transistioned to techno, i cant find any trance out right now i would like to play.....

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