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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: if it exists, then it has a creator. but see, if u take the time to wait until marriage and get married, then u would know if your partner has any STD's.

Interesting. Then you would clearly agree that:

(1) Everything that exists has a creator.
(2) God exists.
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(3) God has a creator.

Which then begs the question: who created god?

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What would the consequences be if Christianity and Islam were merged?

I'd hide in a hole and stay there forever

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Originally posted by .montecarlo. Interesting. Then you would clearly agree that: (1) Everything that exists has a creator. (2) God exists. ----------------------------------------- (3) God has a creator. Which then begs the question: who created god?

well, my mistake. if god had a creator, he really wouldnt be god, or the creator. what created him would be. nowhere though in the bible, does god have a creator.

it was a joke..but fundementalists rarely have a sense of humour..nice bit at the end of your tag name..DYK..seen as how your a gay basher

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil well homosexuality really is not a natural thing, it is an aberration, a freak of nature, like a two headed pig. The simple logic is because everything on this planet is here for one single purpose, to reproduce and that is why there is a penis and vagina. The concept of liking your own gender goes against the laws of nature, in that reproduction becomes impossible. I dont' think it is wrong, they should be accepted just as much as the two headed pig and not discriminated against. racial laws were always wrong, that is moreso a change of outwardly appearance based on origin of birth, not a physical difference. Marriage however really just a bond between two people, nothing more so I don't see anything wrong with homosexuals being married. It CAN be however in the discretion of a religious group of whether or not that is accepted based on their beliefs. So a church can refuse to marry a gay couple if the religion of that church is opposed to gay marriage as you stated.

i cant really say i disagree with anything in here

the only thing that i am not 100% with you on is that i would say homosexuallity is a natural thing, mutations are natural. but oh well its just a definition. Fact stil remain that you dont *really chose* to become a homosexual and we agree on that i think

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Originally posted by St_Andrew i cant really say i disagree with anything in here the only thing that i am not 100% with you on is that i would say homosexuallity is a natural thing, mutations are natural. but oh well its just a definition. Fact stil remain that you dont *really chose* to become a homosexual and we agree on that i think

sometimes u do, sometimes u dont. but u do have a choice to act on your impulses. are mutations right? do they help our DNA, help us live better lives?? no, they are anomilies caused by countless different factors.

homosexuality is an impulse. again, if everyone was homosexual, the human race would go extinct. u take the last bengal tigers in the world, and put the males with the males, and the females with the females, nothings going to happen. within a couple decades, they'de all die, and left with no offspring.

scientifically speaking, how is homosexuality natural.

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: well, im going to end my involvement here, we all have our views, and we hold them very strongly. niether side is going to budge. my morality, the christian morality, is not my personal morality but that of god. everything bad today was originally for a good purpose.

yes you have your personal opinion, but let others have theirs

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god created man, and he created woman to be a companion to man, because not one animal helper satisfied man. so eve was created, and two flesh became one. they were told to populate the world rule over it. stemming from this, u cant reproduce homosexually and populate a world. and if everyone was homosexual, the human race would become extinct. that is why its not natural.

well, again you are assuming everyone believe in god, guess what, not everyone does!

try to consider other persons life too, and respect them. So everyone does not believe in god, everyone does not believe that homosexuals is a sin. there are annimals that do pracitce homosexual activites, are they not natural? arent animals kinda the most natural thing ever? or have they been influenced by the new culture? it is an mutation, but its still natural that that occurs.

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because the law is not attacking them, they are attacking the law. laws are to forbid an act. the marraige law doesnt forbid homosexuality. it allows the marraige of a male and female, and forbids anything else. i cant marry a cat, or another male. the law isnt attacking homosexuals like the jim crow laws did to blacks.

i certainly dont get your logic. If a law is only permitting some to do something, doesnt it forbid the others then? I give every non christian person the right of free speech, but not the christians, doesnt that take away a right from you even tho you still could be christian?

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maybe a comprimise could be set of civil unions with the most important benefits, such as access to hospital rooms, if one dies, the other gets the property, things like that. ide be all for that.

well, if you got THE SAME rights from civil unions as from marriage, i would be all for that too. Although i dont get why you couldnt call it marriage.

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ok, if its not so wrong, would u ever have sex with a man?? all the homosexual men ive met, told me themselves, they hated the feelings they had. they wished it was for a woman. something always happened in their lives to set their path this way such as molestation, no father, curiosity that runs wild. they explitcitly told me they knew it was wrong while they were doing it, and they didnt even believe in god at that time. ive met about 3 or 4, and they all had turned away from that life through god.

do you ever meet people outside church?

the ones you didnt read about in church for sure dont feel like that, most gays are in fact very proud to be gays.

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but, there are those, probably a great number who will say, i love men, its not wrong, etc. i believe those are the ones who's consious's have been seared, feeling no guilt for wrong acts or knowing what is right or wrong. not in the way a murderer would not know right or wrong(insanity). but in the attitude of "whatever i want to do, im going to do." oliver crowlee, the founder of modern satanism in 1904 wrote in his book, "Do what thou willst." essentially, do whatever u want.

as long as it doesnt hurt you, i still cant understand whats wrong with it? you might think that homosexuals are something wrong to god, but we live in a society were not everyone believe in god, so you should take their point of views into account too. Gays getting married WONT HURT YOU IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.

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NOTE: my morality comes from what the bible says, not from my personal feelings.

Just out of curisity, have you ever read the bible with a critical thinking or do you just accept it?

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no, most of the time, it was the southern churches that supported it. and again, it stems from the history of the black being under the whites for so many years. over that long period of time, of course there is going to be the feeling superiority of whites over blacks. and ill say, there is no biblical reference to support segregation, racial superiority, or slavery. and dont confuse slavery from 1500's-1865 with slavery from B.C.-early A.D. times.

well the reason why i took it up was that the church tend to always say things that is out of its buisness and why wouldnt the same thing happen today?

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they cant marry their same sex, but they can marry someone of the opposite sex. if homosexual marraige isnt wrong, then if i am into beastiality, and i want to marry a horse, then i should be able to do that right? if not, then thats discrimination. to a non-christian, is beastiality wrong? if not, then i should be able to kill the man in the street that looks at me a funny way, and i hope thats wrong to a non-christain. if yes, then why is beastiality wrong and homosexuality right.

if an animal could speak and understand what a marriage is, well then i would be all for marriage with animals... haha.. but thats a rather unrealistic situation.

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who are u to tell me i am not mature enough? u dont know me. youve never met me. why do u have authority to tell me i cant drink, when i know im mature enough? i also have a sports car that ive souped up to go a top speed of 160MPH. im 17, and i know i have the life experience to drink. **REALITY**im 17, and i think im invincible. the drinking laws are in place to save lives so that risky 17 year old know-it-alls like me dont do something stupid and get behind the wheel and kill somebody with my car. and dont tell me u didnt do anything stupid when u were in the teen years.

i didnt say you werent mature enough, i said that if you were then it would be age discrimination. And i do think 21 is waaaay to old for legal drinking age! thats really even more off topic tho and i actually started another thread about it if you didnt see it

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the reason behind the marraige law is to protect the basic family values against curruption.

well, shouldnt you criminalize the whole homosexual thng then?

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i also, hope youve heard about the hundreds of gay divorces that have already come out of this gay marraige deal. u really only see the poster models of gay couples in the media.

lmao! did you hear about the millons of divorces between man and women too?

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if u consider homosexuality to be a sin, then that would mean your marraige(male/female) which is rightfully so, is now not so rightfully so, and now on the level of sin. but u dont consider a sin, u think its right. but we both live in the same world, and im not going to live in a world where my marraige is brought down to the level of sin.

so the whole problem is that you do not want to be brought down to their level?

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being offended is being hurt. if i was married, ide be offended, because it goes against my views and the views that have been in place for millinea.

discrimination against women have been in place for millinea too, does that mean its right?

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let me ask u one question. where did marriage come from??

i have no clue to be honest, do you? just because it is written in the bible it doesnt mean it didnt excist before the bible.

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ill say again, they already can enjoy the same freedoms we can, technically speaking, they can marry anybody, as long its of the opposite sex. if something goes against my beliefs, im going to voice my opinion and influece no matter what.

okay so you are going to voice your opinon, no matter what, even tho if it insult other poepls rights?

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and at that, good debating with ya St_Andrew. plz answer back but try to end the discussion between me and you. we both have our opposing views, and no ones going to back down, but at least we had a go at it.

yeah none of us will change i guess... at least not i

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: sometimes u do, sometimes u dont. but u do have a choice to act on your impulses. are mutations right? do they help our DNA, help us live better lives?? no, they are anomilies caused by countless different factors.

mutations are good, if it wasnt for mutations we would still be small cells and nothing of what is on earth would have happend.

and yes there are several examples of mutations that are "bad" for example persons that is dissabled in one way or another, they should still have the same rights as everyone else tho.

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homosexuality is an impulse. again, if everyone was homosexual, the human race would go extinct. u take the last bengal tigers in the world, and put the males with the males, and the females with the females, nothings going to happen. within a couple decades, they'de all die, and left with no offspring.

well yes true that if everyone was homosexual we would have a problem, that is not the case tho.

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scientifically speaking, how is homosexuality natural.

animals do it, isnt it natural then? that single thing is proof enough for me.

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: well, my mistake. if god had a creator, he really wouldnt be god, or the creator. what created him would be. nowhere though in the bible, does god have a creator.

To elaborate further:

Exodus 3:13-14
And Moses said unto God, Behold, [when] I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What [is] his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

I AM is Strongs' number 01961 (hayah)

John 1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew i cant really say i disagree with anything in here the only thing that i am not 100% with you on is that i would say homosexuallity is a natural thing, mutations are natural. but oh well its just a definition. Fact stil remain that you dont *really chose* to become a homosexual and we agree on that i think

Yup mutations are just a freak occurance by nature. Just think of transgender folk, what are they a man or woman, or maybe a moman...?

so yeah i guess we do agree

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7

Thanks for the marvellous contribution :/

I sincerely don't understand why this has become a thread about christian tolerance but... oh well

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Originally posted by Lira Thanks for the marvellous contribution :/ I sincerely don't understand why this has become a thread about christian tolerance but... oh well

well, thouhgt you might have learnt by now, threads in here turns off topic more often than they do not

oh well, sorry anyway for ruining your thread, but i just had to defend my principles and it was far from only my fault

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Originally posted by Lira There are six basic beliefs shared by all Muslims: Belief in Allah, the one and only one worthy of all worship. Belief in the Angels. Belief in the Books (sent by God). Belief in all the Prophets and Messengers (sent by God). Belief in the Day of Judgment (Qiyamah) and in the Resurrection. Belief in Fate (Qadar)* I once heard they do accept Jesus as a Messenger, and I don't think there would be much trouble for most Christians in accepting Mohammed as a prophet as well. The rest could be logically adapted to Christian faith (and vice-versa), as long as people accepted some subtle changes.mad: I reckon this sounds doable. If someone actually managed to do it (and be successful, at least among moderate followers of both religions), what would the consequences be, in your opinion?

They can't merge for the same reason giraffes and hippos don't mate: they're not in anyway alike. GTF outta here if you think diverse religions can merge into a single one. That's just f*cking insane.


[[[smoke]]]

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 To elaborate further: Exodus 3:13-14 And Moses said unto God, Behold, [when] I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What [is] his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. I AM is Strongs' number 01961 (hayah) John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.

good one

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mutations are good, if it wasnt for mutations we would still be small cells and nothing of what is on earth would have happend. and yes there are several examples of mutations that are "bad" for example persons that is dissabled in one way or another, they should still have the same rights as everyone else tho.

in the theory of evolution, where are the cross-link species?? the missing link?? there have been "missing links discovered" like the so-called Lucy skeleton. but, there great skeptism against its validity to the point where the bones could not even be that of an ape or human. there are examples of species adapting, but there has not been one example observed or discovered of an animal jumping species.

im going to throw out the creationist view, i know everyone doesnt believe the bible, but creationism can be proven scientifically valid. adam and eve were created perfect. they had a perfect DNA code, and there was a moisture firmament above the earth. it never rained, but water came in through streams, and great fountains under the earth. under this firmament, they were protected from the rays of the sun, and the oxygen density was much higher than todays. and so, that is why in the bible, most of the early people lived several hundred years. adam lived to over 900 years old and noah and all in between.

but, being forced to reproduce between brother and sister, the DNA code became more and more flawed. and then after noah's flood, when this firmament over the earth came down and all the springs under the earth burst forth, the oxygen density became less dense, the sun now came through the atmosphere stronger. all this, causes mutations. so now, our life expectancy has dropped from several hundred years, to less than a 100.

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well yes true that if everyone was homosexual we would have a problem, that is not the case tho.

then it is not natural. if u cant reproduce, its not natural. show me a case where two animals have had homosexual relations for their entire lives.

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animals do it, isnt it natural then? that single thing is proof enough for me.

animals dont do it. show one case that would prove its natural. now show me dozens, because one incident doesnt mean the entire animal kingdom is doing the same thing.
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ive thrown myself back into the malee

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Originally posted by smokeape They can't merge for the same reason giraffes and hippos don't mate: they're not in anyway alike. GTF outta here if you think diverse religions can merge into a single one. That's just f*cking insane. [[[smoke]]]

Jesus was an Arab jew. You praise an arab

HHAHAHAHAHAHA

inm fact... he was probably palestinian decendent since he was from Nazareth

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Jesus was an Arab jew. You praise an arab HHAHAHAHAHAHA inm fact... he was probably palestinian decendent since he was from Nazareth

um, no he was 100% hebrew. his genealogy is in the book of luke. from jesus, all the way down to adam.

Luke 3:

23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
the son of Heli, 24the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, the son of Melki,
the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
25the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,
the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,
the son of Naggai, 26the son of Maath,
the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,
the son of Josech, the son of Joda,
27the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,
the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,
the son of Neri, 28the son of Melki,
the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
29the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,
the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, 30the son of Simeon,
the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
31the son of Melea, the son of Menna,
the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,
the son of David, 32the son of Jesse,
the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,
the son of Salmon,[d] the son of Nahshon,
33the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,[e]
the son of Hezron, the son of Perez,
the son of Judah, 34the son of Jacob,
the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
35the son of Serug, the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah, 36the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: um, no he was 100% hebrew. his genealogy is in the book of luke. from jesus, all the way down to adam.

Where did the hebrews or isrealites come from?? You are right...he may not be arab, but he was middle eastern. I still think arabs and modern day middle eastern people are desendents of either israelites caanatiesm arabs or persians.

either way. we came fromthe same tribes... and jesus was probably was closer to arab than any other tribe. He probably looked arab too.



http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/25/face.jesus/

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Originally posted by Cyrus King inm fact... he was probably palestinian decendent since he was from Nazareth

Judean decedent that is what he was�Nazareth is a Judean city, it stood on the territory of the Judean kingdom, has nothing to do with Palestine or even with the Phlestinian people who used to live in the area of the Gaza strip about 1000 years before the birth of Jesus.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King ... and jesus was probably was closer to arab than any other tribe. He probably looked arab too.

Jesus was Jewish\Judean end of story.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Where did the hebrews or isrealites come from?? You are right...he may not be arab, but he was middle eastern. I still think arabs and modern day middle eastern people are desendents of either israelites caanatiesm arabs or persians. either way. we came fromthe same tribes... and jesus was probably was closer to arab than any other tribe. He probably looked arab too.

i dont believe there was arabs until the rise of islam. in jesus's days, it was persians, romans, greeks, egyptians, hebrews,etc.

in the days of abraham, it was tribes. races, i dont think existed then, because of how early it still was.

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: i dont believe there was arabs until the rise of islam. in jesus's days, it was persians, romans, greeks, egyptians, hebrews,etc. in the days of abraham, it was tribes. races, i dont think existed then, because of how early it still was.

They existed in Saudia Arabia, there were almost no arabs in Judea back in those days�

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: i dont believe there was arabs until the rise of islam. in jesus's days, it was persians, romans, greeks, egyptians, hebrews,etc. in the days of abraham, it was tribes. races, i dont think existed then, because of how early it still was.

The Canaanites were there with the israelites. They were very very similar in culture and looks. They derived fromthe same people before them. The caananites are the Palestinians' ancestors. hebrews are the ancestors of modern day arab/sephardic jews

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Originally posted by Cyrus King The Canaanites were there with the israelites. They were very very similar in culture and looks. They derived fromthe same people before them. The caananites are the Palestinians' ancestors. hebrews are the ancestors of modern day arab/sephardic jews

That�s not true. The Palestinians who live here today are Arabs. Modern day Arabs did not evolve in the land of Judea/Israel, they evolved from the Arabian tribes of Saudia Arabia.

Hebrews and Jews are the same thing, just a different names�

And Hebrews are defiantly not the ancestors of the modern day Arabs.

Please stop making up stuff�

religion is very stupid. Don't people know aliens created us? Come on we can't call them "god or Allah" when their probable goal is to harvest us like corn.

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