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Usual Suspects

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy What about Pi?

THat movie is PHCUKED!!!

it was so screwy... no way i was the same person after watching it... torture! COMPLETE torture!

Braveheart

i cant believe nobody mentioned this yet

oh and, the passion of the christ?

Oceans 11 !! (sorry if someone already mentioned this...)

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Ronin... I don't think there really are "good guys" in that movie. My favourite movie of all time. Best car chase scenes in movie history, I think. Pure awesomeness.

Damn I forgot about that one...The chases are TRULY the best I've seen

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Originally posted by PartEgurl Oceans 11 !! (sorry if someone already mentioned this...)

What? am I missing something here?

I can't remember one movie where the good guy loses to a purely bad guy in some tragic way.

Hannibal series is probably the closest it gets to breaking this barrier, but Anthony Hopkins is too mesmerizing in that role to be the "bad guy"

Swordfish - Would have qualified if Travolta wasted wolverine at the end somehow. OOh Im just going to run away and gloat....what a disney ending

The Usual Suspects - His "badness" is only that he broke the law, everything else about kevin is charisma. Shit by the end of the movie you see him as a kind of Robin Hood, not as some bloodthirsty mofo.

Fast and the Furious - Vin Diesel was the main character breaking the law, thats all that made him bad. He was also tough but fair, loves his sister and crew, and misses daddy. Guess what, half of the people in this world are vin diesel.

The only two movies that you people have managed to come up with are Braveheart and SAW.

it's sad to start watching [insert action movie title here] and knowing that the good guy will be beat to an inch of his life, and then will come back and triumph over overwhelming odds.

Same with the sports movies.

Van Helsing, Elektra, Hellboy, Blade movies...I bet you Keanu will live through Constantine, and so will Ethan Hawke in Assault on pr 13.

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Originally posted by Cal I can't remember one movie where the good guy loses to a purely bad guy in some tragic way. Hannibal series is probably the closest it gets to breaking this barrier, but Anthony Hopkins is too mesmerizing in that role to be the "bad guy" Swordfish - Would have qualified if Travolta wasted wolverine at the end somehow. OOh Im just going to run away and gloat....what a disney ending The Usual Suspects - His "badness" is only that he broke the law, everything else about kevin is charisma. Shit by the end of the movie you see him as a kind of Robin Hood, not as some bloodthirsty mofo. Fast and the Furious - Vin Diesel was the main character breaking the law, thats all that made him bad. He was also tough but fair, loves his sister and crew, and misses daddy. Guess what, half of the people in this world are vin diesel. The only two movies that you people have managed to come up with are Braveheart and SAW. it's sad to start watching [insert action movie title here] and knowing that the good guy will be beat to an inch of his life, and then will come back and triumph over overwhelming odds. Same with the sports movies. Van Helsing, Elektra, Hellboy, Blade movies...I bet you Keanu will live through Constantine, and so will Ethan Hawke in Assault on pr 13.

what are u talking abt cal. what abt carlitos way. he gets blown away at the end. he loses everything. he loses the girl and the dream right when hes abt to get away.


even scarface. main character loses everything

ohhhhhhhh scarface......mmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy what are u talking abt cal. what abt carlitos way. he gets blown away at the end. he loses everything. he loses the girl and the dream right when hes abt to get away. even scarface. main character loses everything

Jeez thanks a lot you ass I havent seen those yet.

And Im going to revise my theory to say that barely any heros that people develop any attachment to die in the end, be they bad or good guys.

Some exceptions - Heat, Empire, that movie with Brad Pitt as an IRA guy, Donnie Brasco.

I totally forgot one of my fav movies ever--
man on fire


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on a basic level of life-death

I would love to see the police footage of when the bad guy's actually escape a chase...

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy umm did everyone forget or something? this is the only movie where the good guy gets killed at the end and doesnt get the girl and doesnt achieve his dream cause hes killed by billy from the bronx when he's 2 secs away from achieviong it

Come on Carlito's Way shouldn't count because he wasn't a pure good guy and killed other guys and helped kill others as well and was pretty much a gangster and dealer at one point or another so him getting killed by another bad guy doesn't count. Most gangster movies have all bad guys and then one worse bad guy killing a slightly nicer bad guy or some tragidy which happens to the nicer bad guy.

I wanna see some movies with some pure good guys who you would expect to see win goes out and gets his ass kicked and killed by a pure bad guy so there is some mystery to to the story lines which are too predictable now at days.

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Originally posted by geroin the passion of the christ?

The Passion Of The Christ was based on a true story and we know what was going to happen already but it would have been cool if Jesus got all pissed and kicked everyones ass and beat them with a big cross and stabbeb them with the crown of thorns then tarred and feathered them and crusified and torchured all the people who wanted to crusify him That would have been some really unexpected stuff and a suprising story line indeed

for all this time, i thought the thread title read:

"Do the BALD guys ever win in movies?"

Ocean's Eleven... sorta, they weren't portrayed as bad-guys, but they WERE criminals...

I think what we're really looking for is when the protagonist with noble qualities (so no gangsters or lawbreakers) get the crap kicked out of him/her by the antagonist.

only one I can think of is Arlington Road.

There's also this chinese movie called "infernal affairs" which they are remaking in hollywood. but the bad guy isn't really evil.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL for all this time, i thought the thread title read: "Do the BALD guys ever win in movies?"

No no no!! Yes it's true that BALD guys should never win in movies but thats a whole nother subject

I'm tired of all these good guys winning all the time and it's time to mix things up instead of giving us the same predictable crap to watch.

What about Mystic River?

WARNING: DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS MOVIE

Tim Robbins is the good guy in this movie. (He's got issues, yes, but who wouldn't after what he went thru as a kid) And ends up being shot by Sean Penn. Mind you Sean Penn isn't the bad guy per se because he's driven by rage to avenge his daughters death but still...

Awesome movie, IMO. Totally not what you expect. Not predictable at all!

Elephant

and yes, mystic river is one of my faves in recent memory. But dont watch it when you are already sad.

Mystic River does not count people!!!!

Had Tim Robbins actually been the one who killed Sean Penn's daughter and been a true bad guy who was at heart evil and then got into a big fight at the end with Sean Penn and which would have ended with Tim Robbins kicking Sean Penn's ass and killing him then that would have been a scenario where a truly bad guy beat a truly good guy but thats not what happened and Sean Penn killed a guy who he thought was guilty and actually wasn't

I still give the movie full marks for having an unexpected story line which was un predictable and not what people expected to happen

scary movie 1

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Originally posted by maxpain Mystic River does not count people!!!!

My apologies....

I didn't actually read your post, maxpain. I saw the title of the thread and my mind wandered from bad guys winning to good guys losing...sorry. Now I get what you were going for!

It'll never happen again...

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Originally posted by vickyvale My apologies.... I didn't actually read your post, maxpain. I saw the title of the thread and my mind wandered from bad guys winning to good guys losing...sorry. Now I get what you were going for! It'll never happen again...

It's okay vickyvale I forgive you

Mentioning good guys losing is cool as long as it is differenciated as opposed to being lumped in with bad guys winning in movies which were the movies I was looking for in this thread but good guys losing is good stuff too and worth mentioning

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Originally posted by dEsidEL Riddick ? i think bald pornstars win in their movies too ..

Thats funny how you thought this thread was about bald guys winning in movies

Hypathetically if this thread was about bald guys winning in movies then Riddick wouldn't count because I don't believe that Vin Diesel is bald by nature and I think he is bald by choice.

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