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pick up mix master mike's 'spin psycle' mix for a proper mix cd from him... i have a live set of his from back in september, it is very good

also, he mixes different beats for the beasties when they play live. he adds so much to the show

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Originally posted by idoru Some, like myself, will argue that exposure is only good to a certain extent.

You're gonna have to support that statement. It is true that the U.S. is way behind in EDM. I don't argue with that. However, having trance influences creep their way into popular American media like Maxim, however slightly, is one step to educate/familiarize unknowing Americans about all the EDM scene has to offer. Why wouldn't that be a good thing?

Good debate going. Lookin' forward to a response.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman You're gonna have to support that statement. It is true that the U.S. is way behind in EDM. I don't argue with that. However, having trance influences creep their way into popular American media like Maxim, however slightly, is one step to educate/familiarize unknowing Americans about all the EDM scene has to offer. Why wouldn't that be a good thing? Good debate going. Lookin' forward to a response.

I agree that it's nice to give Americans an idea of what Trance really is. The scene is small over here which is nice, because you don't get hundreds of thousands of kiddies going to clubs just because "It's cool," or, "Hey, I heard this Ti�sto guy on the radio, so I have to go." It provides for a better, more intimate experience with the DJs, rather than being squished like a sardine-can with kids who don't know anything about the music.

In addition, Maxim is a very popular magazine. Armin van Buuren, while good at mixing, is not the person to be doing an article on how to mix and/or scratch. This gives the impression that Trance DJs are Gods at what they do, that they are the technical wizards of their time. They're not, and Maxim readers are going to get the wrong impression. People like Sasha, Digweed, Zabiela, and anyone else who truly knows how to blend tunes together and scratch should be the ones being interviewed.

^^ thank goodness they didn't get #1 to do the article.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Kid Koala

Quoted.





I love that guy.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman It is true that the U.S. is way behind in EDM.

What? In what way?

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Originally posted by idoru In addition, Maxim is a very popular magazine. Armin van Buuren, while good at mixing, is not the person to be doing an article on how to mix and/or scratch. This gives the impression that Trance DJs are Gods at what they do, that they are the technical wizards of their time. They're not, and Maxim readers are going to get the wrong impression. People like Sasha, Digweed, Zabiela, and anyone else who truly knows how to blend tunes together and scratch should be the ones being interviewed.

Totally agree that Armin is not the best to interview for scratching, but, nevertheless, I'm glad that more Americans will now know of him.

I don't agree with readers thinking he's god though. That's kinda an exaggeration. And even if they think his skills are great from reading the article...so what?

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Originally posted by Radagast What? In what way?

What I meant was I think it's safe to say that most people here have never heard of whom we would consider more "well-known" DJ's (Tiesto, Armin, PVD, etc. save for maybe Oakie), unlike in Europe.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman And even if they think his skills are great from reading the article...so what?

Because it's where the popularity-effect occurs. The article is sure to mention how famous he is, and possibly reference Armin's status in the DJ Mag poll. This is going to make the already-popular DJs even more popular, and will only support the artists going, "Well, a lot of people like me, so I'm not going to put much soul into my music because it will earn me money," similar to what the many radio shows have done (keep in mind that I'm not referring to just Armin, but rather the scene itself). This article only perpetuates the growing mediocrity that we're seeing in the scene today, where the masses refuse to find un-played music that, for 90% of the time, is much better than what the popular DJs play.

Like I said, it is nice to see the American culture getting a little taste of true EDM, but it comes with a negative side, too.

Naw, I get you. I just feel like the popularity effect is given more credit than it deserves. There's always gonna be "the" most popular DJ's even if new DJ's are given more playtime. I think if the track is "good" enough then the artist will get recognized.

Look at the top 30 (even all 100) DJ's on DJ Mag's 2004 list. As we all know, this list essentially shows which DJ's are most popular, not necessarily the "best", however you wanna define that. Now think of how many producers had arguably great success in the past year with origianl tracks and/or remixes who are not on the list. There's a lot of talent out there but it takes time to climb the ranks. If it's not Tiesto, PVD, Armin at 1,2, and 3, it's gonna be someone else. Their position on the chart, to me, doesn't correlate with the so-called "mediocrity" plaguing the scene right now.

The great thing about introducing American's to the "big names" first is that it has a better chance of getting them into EDM. Then, they can go off like we do and discover the un-played stuff. It's harder to hook people on the "little guys" straight up.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman What I meant was I think it's safe to say that most people here have never heard of whom we would consider more "well-known" DJ's (Tiesto, Armin, PVD, etc. save for maybe Oakie), unlike in Europe.

Apparantly in Europe Electronic Dance music is not as big as some sources would lead you to beleive.

They do have their more electronic music prone cities, but so does the U.S.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps Apparantly in Europe Electronic Dance music is not as big as some sources would lead you to beleive. They do have their more electronic music prone cities, but so does the U.S.

Alright, debatable.

omg Armin #1

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Originally posted by kixalot omg Armin #1

No. Go away.

Such hostility.

Judging from your previous posts in this forum you're trying to instigate some kind of argument here, but after witnessing your rampant displays of stupidity on a daily basis I think I'd rather walk away from this one.

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Originally posted by kixalot Such hostility. Judging from your previous posts in this forum you're trying to instigate some kind of argument here, but after witnessing your rampant displays of stupidity on a daily basis I think I'd rather walk away from this one.

Yes, walk away after calling me stupid. You're really mature, ya know that?

ok .. this is probably going to be a first for me .. but i agree with the haters here .. i am a big armin fan and everything .. but in terms of scratching and the term "turntablizing" .. armin is not your man .. he is more of a production mastermind .. not "the man" behind the tables .. i say get some really good dNb dj or if you want to go top40, get some hip hop dj .. it would be pretty good to get that dj who spins in the background for outkast .. a top40 band that everyone can relate to .. he has some wicked scratches and beats when outkast plays live ..

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Originally posted by Fresh Prince (do mad scratches and spin 360� on TTs while juggling vinyls behind your back),

They haven't been doing those things since the 80's and early 90's. It's evolved to a point at which useless tricks like that would get in the way of their skills while performing their set. These days it's just packing as many difficult tricks into your 6 minutes as possible, and this takes too much concentration to spin around, move the crossfader from under the leg, and have girls kiss you (a la Bad Boy Bill).

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he didn't say you have to mix like that exactly to be a proper DJ

Who cares what Armin Van Buuren says.

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Who cares what Armin Van Buuren says.

AvB fans?
MAXIM obviously cares enough so they chose him to do the story,
and I think until we actually get to read the article it's bullshit you scratch masters are putting it down already, -1

He has never before showed off his scratching skills, so I think it's pretty safe to assume that he's a sucky choice for an article like that.

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Originally posted by Ory He has never before showed off his scratching skills, so I think it's pretty safe to assume that he's a sucky choice for an article like that.

And I guess you read the article ?

Did you read my post? He doesn't scratch regularly, he's a bad choice just because of that.

Sheesh...

i couldn't be assed reading the inner threads but i don't think AvB would be the best person to teach scratching for EDM! i mean i don't think i've ever heard him scratch! They shoulda got someone else in, i hear all the time that Zabiela scratches pretty good, he woulda fitted the bill much better. Some dude i know that's a dj kinda tought me how to scratch, the crab, the helicopter, all the basic stuff. I wasn't to fond of it at first but the vinyl had a naked woman on it so i scratched away!

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Originally posted by Ory Did you read my post? He doesn't scratch regularly, he's a bad choice just because of that. Sheesh...

Oh I read it, but since you haven't read the article you can't judge it. The name of the topic is: AvB teaching how to spin in Maxim.
To spin, not to scratch, although guy says that's what it's about also, I doubt it until we actually get to read it.

Re: AVB teaching how to spin in Maxim

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Originally posted by opurtunity Armin is in the new US Maxim (feb. issue pg. 42) showing us how to mix and scratch. How great of a magazine is this.. reaching all boundries!!

trance is definately soon to fall

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