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The Green Knight says to stop arguing and focus on the topic at hand!
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| Originally posted by NiteMer The Green Knight says to stop arguing and focus on the topic at hand! |
(Pakis and Indians look pretty much the same�how do the Norwegians know who they�re discriminating against?)
We must remember racism exists everywhere; it works both ways. If say Norwegians don�t like Somalians, then I�m sure there are some in Somalia who would look down upon a fair skinned Scandinavian visiting their country. Many �paki� or Indian parents would hate it if their son/daughter married a �white� guy. On and on�
Various countries have prejudices focused on different nationalities. For example Indians/Pakis may be looked down upon in Norway, but here in the US (especially here in Cali) many are frustrated w/ Mexican immigration over the border. People here have more animosity towards blacks and Mexicans then they do say Indians and Asians. Most of the Indians that immigrate to the US are highly educated. The number of Indians and Pakis in undergrad/grad is staggering in relation to the percentage of the population. I have friends in some of the top med schools, law schools, etc. and they say the classes are teaming w/ hard-working Indians and Pakistanis. The average Indian in the US contributes more to the economy than the average white. So there isn�t as much hostility to this group and Asians in general in the US.
On the other hand Europeans I think would have no problem w/ Mexicans or Blacks, but are angrier towards Indians and Middle Easterners. In these countries many Indians or Pakis might hold the lower wage jobs and project a wrong type of image. There�s also a huge immigration of low-skilled workers from these countries which might bother the natives.
Ultimately I think it comes down to the individual. If you�re classy, intelligent, dress nicely, are educated, and know how to talk to people, then 95% of the people out there will enjoy your company. I�ve talked to very successful Indians/Pakis in the US who visit Europe for business and they love it. They�ve traveled all over from Eastern Europe to Sweden and they have nothing but positive things to say. In fact several of them have bought properties there.
The power of the individual can go a long way in disrupting many stereotypes
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| Originally posted by trunks1022 The Green Knight kicked Sir Gawain's ass |
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| Originally posted by Zombie0915 What I am curious about is how Americans are treated when they leave the country, there seems to be strong anti american sentiment all over the place. I'm a mixed breed with a french last name, white skin, and an American accent, and I would like to get a job in canada or europe in a few years. Any specific places someone like me should avoid? |
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| Originally posted by NiteMer Indeed, as he will do to others who piss him off! That's a damn obscure piece of literature! |
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| Originally posted by trunks1022 took an english/writing course about king arthur tales my freshman year at penn... best english course i took evar |
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| Originally posted by NiteMer I read it in a British Literature course in college, but wasn't making a particular reference to it, at the time I posted it. |
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| Originally posted by trunks1022 as evidenced by the lego-like figure |
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| Originally posted by trunks1022 as evidenced by the lego-like figure |
well i'm vietnamese, born and bred in the UK. I have what most people would call a "white boy" accent.
I live in Greater London, a very diverse place. Near where i live, there is the biggest Indian/Pakistani area in London (greater west london, encompassing Hounslow/Southall/Uxbridge and so forth) As time goes by, and ignorant people realise that these people don't really do anything bad to them, they accept them.
Indian and Chinese food has overtaken Fish and Chips in Britain as take out food.
I haven't really experienced any racism towards myself. I find most racist jokes amusing (only in a joke context of course ) including ones towards oriental people, becuase, lets face it, some of them are actually quite funny. If you are confident about yourself, you can also laugh about yourself.
However, up in the North of England there had been tensions in towns like Oldham and Bradford where the indians and the caucasian english were fighting each other. I'm sure a northerner can tell you all about it
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| Originally posted by Michael19 yea, pretty much everywhere. |
just want to say that yes there is racism all around the world .. and there are also different variations of racism, such as social structures, age differences, and class hierarchies ..
there are two different types of racism : racial stereotype and racial profiling .. the 'stereotype' i am ok with, because we can make fun of our own faults or differences with the rest of the world ..
however, i am not ok with the 'profiling' that has continually been excalating every year .. i don't like it when i see person A get a job over person B, because person A is the same race as the manager, and the manager dislikes person B's nationality.
i hope people here don't racial profile ... 
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| Originally posted by Zombie0915 come one now, I typed it quite clearly. I'm looking for specifics its not like I chose to be born here (Only mormons can do that) does everyone here think like this Michael9 character? |
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| Originally posted by Zombie0915 come one now, I typed it quite clearly. I'm looking for specifics its not like I chose to be born here (Only mormons can do that) does everyone here think like this Michael9 character? |
why is it that the majority of soldiers who died in war were black?
because when everyone yelled, "GET DOWN!!!" all the black people jumped up and started dancing
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| Originally posted by Slylee why is it that the majority of soldiers who died in war were black? because when everyone yelled, "GET DOWN!!!" all the black people jumped up and started dancing |
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| Originally posted by Slylee why is it that the majority of soldiers who died in war were black? because when everyone yelled, "GET DOWN!!!" all the black people jumped up and started dancing |
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| Originally posted by Slylee why is it that the majority of soldiers who died in war were black? because when everyone yelled, "GET DOWN!!!" all the black people jumped up and started dancing |
depnends on where that french person goes.
in general though, the attitude towards the french here is more of a feeling of a superiority than it is a true hatred, ppl like to think french people (and canadians too sometimes) are wussies.
I havent had any trouble from people hearing my name, only reaction really has been from other french ppl who go "OMG are you french?"
I think maybe im like 1/128th french or something, we kinda broke off from the french when the first of us came in in like 1669 or some crazy way back year. I found stuff in my attic written about it.
it turns out that LaRue is the french word for avenue, maybe i descended from some street people hehe
I don�t think I would use the word �nasty� to describe that joke. It�s harmless and cute. That's not even a fact anyway (more blacks dying in war than whites). And as a matter of fact, that joke was told to me by a friend of mine who is Jamaican.
I mean seriously people, if you can�t laugh at your own stereotyped culture jokes, then you need to remove the stick out of your ass. Tell me any white trash or dumb blonde joke, and I will crack up with you.
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| Originally posted by Slylee That's not even a fact anyway (more blacks dying in war than whites). |
 One of our greates comediants - although he's dark skinned, he's got green eyes. He's considered black nonetheless. |
 Our president: His face shows both European and African features. He's considered white. |
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| Race in Brazil Compared to 19th century United States, 20th century Brazil was characterized by a relative absence of sharply defined racial groups. This pattern reflects a different history and different social relations. Basically, race in Brazil was biologized, but in a way that recognized the difference between ancestry (which determines genotype) and phenotypic differences. There, racial identity was not governed by a rigid descent rule. A Brazilian child was never automatically identified with the racial type of one or both parents, nor were there only two categories to chose from. Over a dozen racial categories would be recognized in conformity with the combinations of hair color, hair texture, eye color, and skin color. These types grade into each other like the colors of the spectrum and no one category stands significantly isolated from the rest. That is, race referred to appearance, not heredity. One of the most striking consequences of the Brazilian system of racial identification was that parents and children and even brothers and sisters were frequently accepted as representatives of opposite racial types. In a fishing village in the state of Bahia an investigator showed 100 people pictures of three sisters and were asked to identify the races of each. In only six responses were the sisters identified by the same racial term. Fourteen responses used a different term for each sister. In another experiment nine portraits were shown to a hundred people. Forty different racial types were elicited. It was found, in addition, that a given Brazilian might be called by as many as thirteen different terms by other members of the community. These terms are spread out across practically the entire spectrum of theoretical racial types. A further consequence of the absence of a descent rule was that Brazilians apparently not only disagreed about the racial identity of specific individuals, but they also seemed to be in disagreement about the abstract meaning of the racial terms as defined by words and phrases. For example, 40% of a sample ranked moreno claro as a lighter type than mulato claro, while 60% reversed this order. A further note of confusion is that one person might employ different racial terms for another person over a short time. The use of term varies with the personal relationship and mood. The Brazilian census admits one's race by the title the person gives to her or himself, and as a consequence hundreds of races appeared in the research, varying from blue (which is blacker than usual black) and green (which is whiter than usual white). Consequently, people change their racial identity over their lifetimes. This is not the same as "passing" in the USA. It does not require secrecy and the agonizing withdrawal from friends and family that are necessary in the United States and among Indians of highland Latin America. In Brazil passing from one race to another occurs with changes in education and economic status. A light skinned person of low status is considered darker than a dark skinned person of high status. So, although the identification of a person by race is far more fluid and flexible in Brazil than in the USA, there still are racial stereotypes and prejudices. African features were considered less desirable; blacks were considered inferior, and whites superior. These white supremacist values are an obvious legacy of European colonization and the slave-based plantation system. The complexity of racial classifications in Brazil is reflective of the extent of miscegenation in Brazilian society, which remains, highly, but not strictly, stratified along color lines. |
).). This new stance towards racism is quite recent (20 years old at most), so we don't have much experience dealing with this issue.| quote: |
| Originally posted by Slylee why is it that the majority of soldiers who died in war were black? because when everyone yelled, "GET DOWN!!!" all the black people jumped up and started dancing |
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| Originally posted by h@x0r Seems like Canada is pretty high up on the list of racist/prejudice countries. Though it seems that the champ of racism is actually the Netherlands... Go figure - the Clogs are not as friendly as they'd have you believe.  |
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| Originally posted by Floorfiller i guess it would make sense for european countries to have higher populations of a lot of different ethnic groups as compared to the us. i mean we have our fair share, but mostly it's white, black, asian, and hispanic...you guys get a lot of other large groups as well... |
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