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Originally posted by hadi ****** despite all the shortcomings of this country, its still a better place to live

than where?
Nitemer- please respond to my post, I want to know what you meant

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Originally posted by hadi ****** despite all the shortcomings of this country, its still a better place to live

than where?

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Originally posted by h@x0r Good - I again applaud the blessing in disguise. There's always a silver lining to things. Let me tell you a story about Frenchies. The year is 1993. I have a green card (not US passport) and planning to go to france on a school trip. Less than a week before we fly out, our trip leader tells me that since I don't have US passport, I have to get French Visa. I drive for 3.5 hours in a middle of ice storm to get a friggin stamp on my travel passport from french embasy. They tell me that I can go and f-ck myself and it would take about 2 weeks to put ONE GOD DAMN STAMP in my passport. I tell them I am flying out to paris in 1 week. Their suggestion - stop by on a way there in London, they may stamp it sooner. I spent an entire day in the french Embassy in London to get a God damn visa stamped in my passport, instead of sight seeing London. So, FUCK FRENCHIES and their whining about our visas. Let's not forget that 10% of frogs are Muslems who can easily be terrorists, since France is so terrorist-friendly. Garnier doesn't want to come here? Fuck him! When the dog gets hungry it comes back to its bowl of food. He'll be back soon, as soon as he realizes that no one cares about tallentless ass outside of his tiny little village.

this thread is a bit close to the mark, but you are way over it.

here, have a supension. (2 weeks)

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Originally posted by h@x0r Garnier doesn't want to come here? Fuck him! When the dog gets hungry it comes back to its bowl of food. He'll be back soon, as soon as he realizes that no one cares about tallentless ass outside of his tiny little village.

fuck me thats amazing

so just to reiterate, you don't the french because they wanted to make it as diffcult as possible to get a bellend like you getting in, and they have some muslims. who could all be terrorists.
I hope you get cancer

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Originally posted by Az than where? Nitemer- please respond to my post, I want to know what you meant

hey Az, i know erik(Nitemer) and i cannot say what he exactly meant, but its a popular ideal here in America. prolly drawn outta the fact the last time we did something obviously decent was ww2.

i dont think that he meant any personal offence...


its a fucked up situation overall tho, ive heard countless dj stories of revoked visas and passports. even fucking max graham who lives in canada, but has a UK passport got a show cancelled i wanted to see because of this horseshit. its strange as those coming in see it in the highest level of freedom evasion. living here you are blessed[sic] in a way for not having to deal with that much. *tho i didnt go to Moscow because of their redic prices on travel visas, much less work visas*

the US is chill once you get past the crazy guard dogs i guess|

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Originally posted by xpand_the_room fuck them, the usa is shit you say you dont agree with those laws yet you voted bush in power for the second time you only have yourselves to blame

You are a genius. I mean how can you not be with the excellent mastery you display as to how our electoral system works. Of course we all voted voted for Bush. I mean that's the only way he could win, not with some nutty thing called a majority. That would be CRAZY!!!! Seriously, get a fucking clue before you open your uneducated mouth about something that you obviously don't have the slightest clue about.

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Originally posted by Az if you're talking about recent non support, I believe they were 100% justified, weren't they?

I agree. Most of America is ignorant; a bunch of sheep who think that if big daddy is doing certain things like going to war he must have some kind of inside info and it must righteous.

If Garnier don't want to go thru the bullshit I totally understand that it is out of principal, not because he dislike his american fans.
No matter what Garnier your music is BAD ASS.
This is Tranceaddict, what happen to PLUR.

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Originally posted by Az than where? Nitemer- please respond to my post, I want to know what you meant

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Originally posted by xpand_the_room than where?

than most places in the world. im not saying the US not fucked up, cuz i think it is. simple things like being able to critcize the authority when we dont agree with it "freedom of speech" is not granted in other countries and can be in serious trouble if they do speak out. whatever though, im not here to argue, its just my opinion, sure the rules they give to garnier are fucked up, and thats too bad.

'nuff said.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange 'nuff said.

Is

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be interviewed by a member of the Embassy staff, provide proof of ownership of my house, details of my bank account, my mobile phone records, personal information on all my family members and more.

your idea of "filling out forms"?

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Originally posted by fastmp3 fuck you bitch do you have a problem with muslims ? another biased or racist comment from you and i'll make sure to suspend your ass from here.

so much for waiting for a biased statement from him

americans who thinks USA is the most free country in the world haven't been outside their state border. that's for sure.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 americans who thinks USA is the most free country in the world haven't been outside their state border. that's for sure.

yea i have. ive been to many countries in europe and egypt and saudi arabia. i didnt say i agree with all the policies and shit, but just in my opinion, i think its the best place to live.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Is your idea of "filling out forms"?

exactly Jan

While the Majority of Americans might not understand it, the American laws that have come in have done nothing but harass innocent people. My brother was the subject of abusive security who even opened a brand new bottle of expensive wine he was taking from canada to england (Stopover in NYC) and they gave him hell for no reason other than 'he might' be a problem. I am totally sympathetic that it's for security but it's OTT. If (and I really hope there isn't) there was another attack, who is to say that it hasn't come from somebody of American nationality who get's through easily when people from Europe or wherever get hell. I always thought that it was 'innocent until proved guilty' but sadly people who are innocent and only want to visit america (in garniers case to please people who love the music) are being put off due to the overhand tactics. bottom line, if anybody is planning to attack the USA i'm sure they'd find a way around this heavy-handedness whereas innocent passers through are treated like scum. no need im sorry guys

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Originally posted by Ian^ exactly Jan While the Majority of Americans might not understand it, the American laws that have come in have done nothing but harass innocent people. My brother was the subject of abusive security who even opened a brand new bottle of expensive wine he was taking from canada to england (Stopover in NYC) and they gave him hell for no reason other than 'he might' be a problem. I am totally sympathetic that it's for security but it's OTT. If (and I really hope there isn't) there was another attack, who is to say that it hasn't come from somebody of American nationality who get's through easily when people from Europe or wherever get hell. I always thought that it was 'innocent until proved guilty' but sadly people who are innocent and only want to visit america (in garniers case to please people who love the music) are being put off due to the overhand tactics. bottom line, if anybody is planning to attack the USA i'm sure they'd find a way around this heavy-handedness whereas innocent passers through are treated like scum. no need im sorry guys

yea man, im an american citizen, born here, and when i came back from egypt last summer, they gave us unnecessary searches and shit, while the people who werent even citizens just got to walk right through. many things in this country are fucked up, but like i said (my opinion) i think its the best place to live. about those "random" searches they do at the airports, haha, when we were going to egypt my aunt had all her 12 bags "randomly" searched, haha.

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Originally posted by hadi ****** i think its the best place to live.

what is it that is so better about america than in any other place on earth in your opinion? i'd like to know...

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Originally posted by Wraith You are a genius. I mean how can you not be with the excellent mastery you display as to how our electoral system works. Of course we all voted voted for Bush. I mean that's the only way he could win, not with some nutty thing called a majority. That would be CRAZY!!!! Seriously, get a fucking clue before you open your uneducated mouth about something that you obviously don't have the slightest clue about.

i am very well aware of how the american electoral system works
and when i said "you" i was obviously referring to the american people

you all voted bush in power for the second time. like i said, you only have yourselves to blame

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Originally posted by xpand_the_room i am very well aware of how the american electoral system works and when i said "you" i was obviously referring to the american people you all voted bush in power for the second time. like i said, you only have yourselves to blame

True, but maybe next time you shouldn't preface your statement with "Fuck the USA, it's shit."

does this kind of thing happen to everybody who comes here from france?

or could it be that this is happening because he is an EDM musician, and bush(and most of the other authorities) is trying to kill the EDM here.

I think if you look remotely similar to a raver you are gonna get hell for trying to DJ in america because all the soccer moms hae pressured all the authorities into passing all this shit to stop their kids from getting high.



One time they almost didnt let my family back into the country after we walked over to canada for the day, cuz we didn't have all the papers we needed with us.


Its too bad the the people refusing to come here are the kind of musicians that old people hate. I imagine if a musician who was accepted by the crowd in power refused to come here that rule would be changed really quick, but it probably doesn't apply to musicians that old people like anyway.






If you think its hard to travel to america to DJ, have a try at shopping in a chemical store over here . They wont give you the time of day until they have your life story documented.

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Originally posted by Ian^ While the Majority of Americans might not understand it, the American laws that have come in have done nothing but harass innocent people. My brother was the subject of abusive security who even opened a brand new bottle of expensive wine he was taking from canada to england (Stopover in NYC) and they gave him hell for no reason other than 'he might' be a problem. I am totally sympathetic that it's for security but it's OTT. If (and I really hope there isn't) there was another attack, who is to say that it hasn't come from somebody of American nationality who get's through easily when people from Europe or wherever get hell. I always thought that it was 'innocent until proved guilty' but sadly people who are innocent and only want to visit america (in garniers case to please people who love the music) are being put off due to the overhand tactics. bottom line, if anybody is planning to attack the USA i'm sure they'd find a way around this heavy-handedness whereas innocent passers through are treated like scum. no need im sorry guys

I agree - America is becoming a fucking police-state. That's why I voted for Badnarik.

That's bullshit not letting him in... but there's plenty of areas in this world where he can spin and there's probably plenty of American fans willing to travel great distances to hear him if they enjoy his music enough, so it's all good. We expect these things to be handed to us on a silver platter sometimes, but it's not uncommon to travel great distances to find some semblance of Heaven on this Earth. The true EDM fans will probably agree and they will understand that it's not worth fighting for when there's so much room for music outside of America.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 does this kind of thing happen to everybody who comes here from france? or could it be that this is happening because he is an EDM musician, and bush(and most of the other authorities) is trying to kill the EDM here. I think if you look remotely similar to a raver you are gonna get hell for trying to DJ in america because all the soccer moms hae pressured all the authorities into passing all this shit to stop their kids from getting high. One time they almost didnt let my family back into the country after we walked over to canada for the day, cuz we didn't have all the papers we needed with us. Its too bad the the people refusing to come here are the kind of musicians that old people hate. I imagine if a musician who was accepted by the crowd in power refused to come here that rule would be changed really quick, but it probably doesn't apply to musicians that old people like anyway. If you think its hard to travel to america to DJ, have a try at shopping in a chemical store over here . They wont give you the time of day until they have your life story documented.

i think after france didnt agree with americas invasion of iraqi, when it comes to visas, and people traveling they are put into the same category as many of the middle eastern countries when it comes to checks etc.

not 100% sure though.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I agree - America is becoming a fucking police-state. That's why I voted for Badnarik. That's bullshit not letting him in...

he refused to go through standard procedures to get his visa; its not the case that the state dept refused to issue a visa to him or that the border patrol turned him away at the border.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Is quote: be interviewed by a member of the Embassy staff, provide proof of ownership of my house, details of my bank account, my mobile phone records, personal information on all my family members and more. your idea of "filling out forms"?

the actual requirements for his visa are actually less onerous than that. even so, he's not getting a plain-vanila tourist visa which are much easier to get, but a temporary worker's visa because, as far as i know, he would have been getting paid at the events.

a private attorney probably told him everything he cited and not a government official. information other than the minimum requirements is helpful, but not necessary. truthfully, i think he may have gotten really bad council, and that's unfortunate, or maybe other things came up and wanted to save face. idunno

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Originally posted by Ian^ exactly Jan While the Majority of Americans might not understand it, the American laws that have come in have done nothing but harass innocent people. My brother was the subject of abusive security who even opened a brand new bottle of expensive wine he was taking from canada to england (Stopover in NYC) and they gave him hell for no reason other than 'he might' be a problem. I am totally sympathetic that it's for security but it's OTT. If (and I really hope there isn't) there was another attack, who is to say that it hasn't come from somebody of American nationality who get's through easily when people from Europe or wherever get hell. I always thought that it was 'innocent until proved guilty' but sadly people who are innocent and only want to visit america (in garniers case to please people who love the music) are being put off due to the overhand tactics. bottom line, if anybody is planning to attack the USA i'm sure they'd find a way around this heavy-handedness whereas innocent passers through are treated like scum. no need im sorry guys

too bad about your brother, border officials can be pain the ass.


border regulations have changed somewhat after 9/11 but for the mnost part, many the of regulations already existed beforehand.

Hmm its funny how Terrorists rammed fucking planes into our buildings and somehow that translates into ..."we are paraniod"? I think thats pretty goddam justifiable paranoia

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Originally posted by DJ_Solace Hmm its funny how Terrorists rammed fucking planes into our buildings and somehow that translates into ..."we are paraniod"? I think thats pretty goddam justifiable paranoia

why? do you not think steps have been taken to make sure it never happens again?

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Originally posted by DJ_Solace Hmm its funny how Terrorists rammed fucking planes into our buildings and somehow that translates into ..."we are paraniod"? I think thats pretty goddam justifiable paranoia

No thats how you want to translate it because your to ignorant to see the bigger picture.

At the moment america doesn't seem to be doing anything outwith america to fight this "war on terror", they spent a few months in afghanistan with no success then they have invaded a country that had fuck all to do with the 9/11 disaster. Now surely if your country was sooooo worried about osama bin laden they'd actually bother there arses to try and find the little scoundrel. Instead they have stupid control's on people coming into the country, people who pose no threat and have no doubt travelled to the country many times before without ever causing problems.

bank details, family details and phone records are not something people would share with even the closest friends, so why should they be asked for to get into america. simple answer is - they shouldnt.

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