Muslim invasion of Europe - Triumph of the East

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Posted by Krypton on Feb-06-2005 21:19:

Re: Keep banging in the walls of fortress Europe!

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Originally posted by Lira
You know what? A great influx of Muslims would be culturally benefical to Europe (in fact, this is true to almost every "cultural fusion"). The legacy left in countries like Portugal and Spain is sure impressive.

sure, but that time is over. the muslims are no longer making scientific and artistic discoveries as they once did. they'de rather wage a jihad against the perverted west.

Posted by shaolin_Z on Feb-06-2005 22:13:

Re: Re: Keep banging in the walls of fortress Europe!

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
they'de rather wage a jihad against the perverted west.

you're talking about a very small extreme minority here. that's not what your average joe is like.

Posted by malek on Feb-07-2005 21:24:

Re: Re: Re: Keep banging in the walls of fortress Europe!

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
you're talking about a very small extreme minority here. that's not what your average joe is like.

the average joe would tell you that non muslims are missing out and need to be submitted to Allah's word. The average Joe will tell you that you cannot be called an arab or "syrian" if you're not muslim and that you don't belong to that country...

how do I know that? because i was over there last month.

how dare you say that I was never in a muslim country, let alone two.

Posted by shaolin_Z on Feb-07-2005 22:50:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Keep banging in the walls of fortress Europe!

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Originally posted by malek
how dare you say that I was never in a muslim country, let alone two.

Because you generalize quite a bit and claim that they're all uncivilized barbarians. I've been to several muslim countries too (and lived in one for a while) so i'm not talking out of my ass here. The average joe is not as you described.

Posted by ShadoWolf on Feb-09-2005 16:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Malaysia:
53% Muslim
17% Buddist
12% Confucianism and Taoism
7% Hindi,
7% Christian, Sikh and Animism

20% is quite a fair amount of followers, since Buddhism had never had supremacy in Malaysia (it lived along with Hinduism). Besides, Islam arrived there in the 14th century, so it's quite well established.

The Buddhists there are ethnic Chinese, who are now being persecuted by the Muslims. Many Chinese are leaving.

Posted by LiquidX on Feb-09-2005 21:04:

Lira, there is a difference between what a culture has left, to the actual effects the Muslum culture is having over in Spain or Portugal. I will talk about Spain, hence Ive been there... the Muslims, are, I dont want to sound harsh, but jeez, are sort of messing, bringing the country down... Currently. There's all this problems in France as well. There this fusion that DOES NOT work like it does in the America's. Europe is an old continent where each culture and ppl must live with their own.

Posted by LiquidX on Feb-09-2005 21:06:

Re: Re: Re: Keep banging in the walls of fortress Europe!

quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
you're talking about a very small extreme minority here. that's not what your average joe is like.

And that's the extreme minority that can be no longer a minority and spread easily..

Posted by LiquidX on Feb-09-2005 21:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
I think this is true to most "old worlds" and "new worlds". Brazil also integrates immigrants quite easily

Then again, Brazil is probobly the only country in America as a whole that has so many muslims/Islam... there's a reason why Soap Operas such as "EL Clon" were done over there heh..

Posted by malek on Feb-10-2005 05:06:

today a friends co-worker, who is muslim, started talking about that there's so many girls in montreal, and not enough men for them. He was dead serious, he started saying that these women have to be married and that polygamy is a good thing and how islam has the right answers for that problem bla blabla...

he wasn't joking around and was really serious about that.

like who the fuck appointed you to solve this problem? is it really a problem you sick fuck?!

Posted by shaolin_Z on Feb-10-2005 08:58:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
The Buddhists there are ethnic Chinese, who are now being persecuted by the Muslims. Many Chinese are leaving.

It's the other way around Shadow. But I guess facts dont' matter to you since you'd like to see all muslims and Islam wiped off the face of the earth.

Posted by shaolin_Z on Feb-10-2005 09:01:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Keep banging in the walls of fortress Europe!

quote:
Originally posted by LiquidX
And that's the extreme minority that can be no longer a minority and spread easily..

And your point is? (I'm serious, i'm not sure what you're implying there.)

Posted by Lira on Feb-10-2005 20:30:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
The Buddhists there are ethnic Chinese, who are now being persecuted by the Muslims. Many Chinese are leaving.

Why can't I find anything about it anywhere?

http://allmalaysia.info/msiaknow/et...e_ethnicity.asp
http://www.asianinfo.org/asianinfo/...ro-religion.htm
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/Malaysia.htm (This is a personal favourite... mind the first paragraph: only Christians are being persecuted, and it's not happened out of the blue)

quote:

Originally posted by LiquidX
Lira, there is a difference between what a culture has left, to the actual effects the Muslum culture is having over in Spain or Portugal. I will talk about Spain, hence Ive been there... the Muslims, are, I dont want to sound harsh, but jeez, are sort of messing, bringing the country down... Currently.

Of course they are. They're segregated and in poor financial status. What did you expect? In Spain and France, we're usually talking about immigrants from Morrocco, Algeria, Libya and Tunisia... during the European imperialism they were invaded (actually they were a French and Spanish protectorate, a French invaded territory, a territory controlled by Italy and, another French Protectorate, respectively) and no one thought the natives would try their luck in the metropolis? Was it that hard to expect? It's blatantly obvious: Their country was in poor conditions, whereas European powers that have once invaded them are wealthy. Of course they would want to have a better life and try to have a part of that. Quite fair, isn't it?

However, they're segregrated for "cultural" reasons and they're in obvious poor social conditions. Isn't this why they're bringing these countries down? They're not the only ones to blame, are they?

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Originally posted by LiquidX
There's all this problems in France as well. There this fusion that DOES NOT work like it does in the America's. Europe is an old continent where each culture and ppl must live with their own.

And why exactly is that?

quote:

Originally posted by LiquidX
Then again, Brazil is probobly the only country in America as a whole that has so many muslims/Islam... there's a reason why Soap Operas such as "EL Clon" were done over there heh..

I believe North American countries has more Muslims for economical reasons... we just happend not to impose our culture on them, which is a less favourable scenario for extremism. and "The Clone (O Clone)" was a quite hilarious soup opera

quote:

Originally posted by malek
today a friends co-worker, who is muslim, started talking about that there's so many girls in montreal, and not enough men for them. He was dead serious, he started saying that these women have to be married and that polygamy is a good thing and how islam has the right answers for that problem bla blabla...

he wasn't joking around and was really serious about that.

like who the fuck appointed you to solve this problem? is it really a problem you sick fuck?!

It is to him, and it was his sincere opinion. Ironically he's wrong since males outnumber females in Canada, but what's the problem with his thought? He follows Islamism, of course he thinks Islam is right. He thinks it's a problem (and the way he explained, it really did sound like a problem), and he gave a solution. What's the bitterness for, Malek? Leave the poor guy alone, being harsh would only cause him to be harsher. Look at yourselves. You complain Islam is extremist, yet you're showing signs of extremism that makes you guys as harsh as they are... if not more.

Posted by LiquidX on Feb-10-2005 21:16:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Keep banging in the walls of fortress Europe!

Posted by LiquidX on Feb-10-2005 21:17:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Keep banging in the walls of fortress Europe!

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
And your point is? (I'm serious, i'm not sure what you're implying there.)

My point is that they can cultivate some type of Jihad based on their extreme religious reasons or belief... but hey, I know extreme Christians and Jews are capable of horrible things as well.. but the difference is that this Jihads terrorize. Im not against the religion or it's culture, I just thing that the extreme religious beliefs can drive this cultures do things and force in other words.. who knows?!?!

Posted by shaolin_Z on Feb-11-2005 02:26:

Point taken. BTW, the term "Jihad" does not mean holy war. It means struggle. Its a very broad term and can be applied in several different contexts, like, struggling to be a better person or whatever. It's not synonymous with terrorism or war or any crap like that.

EDIT: Infact, using it to describe acts of terror is against Islamic Ideology. Hopefully this will help clear any misunderstanding shadoWolf.

Posted by TheVrk on Feb-11-2005 20:23:

I wanna SEPARATE two terms:

Catholicsm and Christianity

Grossly different, but been associated as the same.
I AM a Catholic, but NOT a Christian

Posted by malek on Feb-11-2005 21:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira

It is to him, and it was his sincere opinion. Ironically he's wrong since males outnumber females in Canada, but what's the problem with his thought? He follows Islamism, of course he thinks Islam is right. He thinks it's a problem (and the way he explained, it really did sound like a problem), and he gave a solution. What's the bitterness for, Malek? Leave the poor guy alone, being harsh would only cause him to be harsher. Look at yourselves. You complain Islam is extremist, yet you're showing signs of extremism that makes you guys as harsh as they are... if not more.

look, what if, I came to your house and started telling you that the way your family is organized, the way you treat your wife and your children is basically flawed and wrong.

That my ways of dealing with this issues are the best because..., well because they're the best.

This implies that your family, your fathers' family, your ancestors, and everyone else in your community/city/state have always been wrong and that I am right...

what would you tell him? I think you would tell him to fuck off

or

You guys in Brazil enjoy the Carnival of Rio, this muslim/Christian guy who comes to live in Brazil, says its morally wrong and that it should be banned. But you guys in Brazil have had the Carnival for so long and its part of being Brazilian... wouldn't you tell the guy that he's way off?? wouldn't you feel insulted by this immigrant? That he's not trying to change himself to fit in the society but instead tries to change the society so that it pleases his belifs?!!

Posted by malek on Feb-11-2005 21:19:

Posted by LiquidX on Feb-11-2005 22:51:

quote:
Originally posted by TheVrk
I wanna SEPARATE two terms:

Catholicsm and Christianity

Grossly different, but been associated as the same.
I AM a Catholic, but NOT a Christian

True in a way, if so, catholics are to blame in particular for the atrocities done hunderds of years ago.. but, Catholics are Christians.. a Christian is who believes in Jesus.. not all Christians are Catholics ofcourse, and it would be ignorant to associate Christianity with catholics... that would be like a sin if anyone had thought so. Im not catholic, yet Im a christian - of other religion.

Posted by TheVrk on Feb-11-2005 22:52:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
wow, you'll have to explain that one buddy....

Catholics are Christians, but not every Christian is Catholic.

Its easy malek:
The term Christianity has been manipulated and morphed WAAAAAY
out of original Catholic thinking.
All Christianity means is that u believe in Jesus as your Saviour,
which is cool, in that way i AM a Christian.

But there are SOOOOOOOO many denominations that ARE Christian but
have MUCH different beliefs/standards than the Catholic faith.

All these born agains, united churches, lutherans, anglicans etc etc., DISTORT key beliefs and morals that MY faith is AGAINST.
Believe me, my people in Croatia's beliefs/values are MUCH different
than those in the US or Britain for example.

So NO, I am NOT a Christian like so many others, I AM a CATHOLIC

Posted by George Smiley on Feb-11-2005 23:25:

quote:
Originally posted by TheVrk
Believe me, my people in Croatia's beliefs/values are MUCH different
than those in the US or Britain for example.

Ah we dont have any values in Britain! The only country in the world less religious than the UK is North Korea and thats only cos religion is illegal over there!

Posted by shaolin_Z on Feb-12-2005 02:37:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
look, what if, I came to your house and started telling you that the way your family is organized, the way you treat your wife and your children is basically flawed and wrong.

That my ways of dealing with this issues are the best because..., well because they're the best.

This implies that your family, your fathers' family, your ancestors, and everyone else in your community/city/state have always been wrong and that I am right...

what would you tell him? I think you would tell him to fuck off

or

You guys in Brazil enjoy the Carnival of Rio, this muslim/Christian guy who comes to live in Brazil, says its morally wrong and that it should be banned. But you guys in Brazil have had the Carnival for so long and its part of being Brazilian... wouldn't you tell the guy that he's way off?? wouldn't you feel insulted by this immigrant? That he's not trying to change himself to fit in the society but instead tries to change the society so that it pleases his belifs?!!

At the same time, everyone has a right to live how they see fit. No one needs to conform to anyones culture/beliefs but you must respect each others worldviews. I think you're getting a little to worked up here. Expecting someone else to conform to your values or status quo would be you imposing on them. Plus, in my opinion, if you get so worked up about someone else having/expressing different values than yours only reflects that you're insecure about your own values. Chill out dude.

Posted by malek on Feb-12-2005 03:37:

quote:
Originally posted by TheVrk
Its easy malek:
The term Christianity has been manipulated and morphed WAAAAAY
out of original Catholic thinking.

hmmm.... and where do the orthodox stand if the catholics are the original christians????

aren't the orthodox the ones who kept the original values/moral/belief system? explaining why they're called orthodox??

please enlighten me because i'm perplexed right now!!!!

Posted by ShadoWolf on Feb-12-2005 05:08:

quote:
Originally posted by LiquidX
catholics are to blame in particular for the atrocities done hunderds of years ago..

looks like we have another self-hater on our hand

Posted by George Smiley on Feb-12-2005 13:14:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
hmmm.... and where do the orthodox stand if the catholics are the original christians????

aren't the orthodox the ones who kept the original values/moral/belief system? explaining why they're called orthodox??

please enlighten me because i'm perplexed right now!!!!

Basically, the Catholics support Celtic, and the other Christians support Rangers, thats all you need to know about the differences!

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