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Originally posted by LinX anyway i just recently went shopping for an mp3 player; my computer crashed and i lost a lot of my music so i decided to keep my music separate from my computer. i think im going with the sony too EDIT: oh yeah forgot to add a question... do any of these mp3 players listed previously have a toggle control or something like that... bc i have a lot of sets that are around 2hrs long and if i want to fast forward through the set (like an hour into it) i want to do it quickly, is this possible?

i would assume that pressing pause and fast forwarding on the sony HD3 is super fast forward. its like that on MD, (tho i can cut tracks on the go )

the ipod is king in this depart, tho. the scroll wheel truly shines in this aspect, but its a battery life killer. quicker access means more demand out of the motor inside. plus the battery life is already shit on the ipod, might as well omit it since the scroll isnt really a necessity.

A quesion about iRiver H320:

-Is it really possible to play any type of video formats in H320?

- Is there any way to play wave files or record wave files by using an EXT.MIC into the H320? is there is codec I can get in order to play wave files?


I got a H320 myslef and I love it alot and just wondering if anyone can help me with these questions.

http://www.digital-director.co.uk/g...ver-h320-13.htm




^should answer your video question...and i dont know about the last question.

that iRiver is so freakin ugly.

Had an h340 for about a month now, and I just thought I would leave my impressions in this thread for those who may dig it up in the future, looking for advice.
I bought the iRiver mainly because it was a clean USB 2.0 device, meaning that I can use it with linux, and any other OS or program that I may decide to use in the future. The other players on the market all seems to require a special piece of software to upload/download tracks to the player, which is fine, but sucks the day you upgrade your os and this program won't work on your new os. *I* want to decide when to upgrade my mp3-player and not have it be some side effect of installing new software on my pc.
Another reason for getting the iRiver was that I already had an iRiver CD player which I like very much, so I expected the same build and sound quality from the h340.
Now, after having used the h340 for a month some issues have arisen, that I am not at all satisfied with:
First, it appears to be impossible to program the player. I can do all sorts of shuffle and repeat play, but simply enqueuing a lot of tracks for playing is apparently impossible. It is possible to achieve this behaviour by constructing winamp-playlists on a computer and then download them to the player, but that is really not going to do me a lot of good when I'm on the train and need to create a program to fit my mood.
Second, the player contains a "User" equalizer setting, which is a feature I have been using frequently on my CD player, and which should be great to have on the h340. However, iRiver has forgotten to include a way to set this equalizer setting, leaving it in effect a redundant copy of the "normal" setting.
Third, when progressing from one track to another, the player inserts a slight pause between the tracks, which make the player unusable for playing ripped mix CDs.
Fourth, I have contacted iRiver's support department twice, and they have so far refused to answer my questions - something that piss me off no end.
I don't know how an iPod would fare on these issues (except that I know it has the pause between tracks issue as well), so I'll leave that to others to comment on.
In closing, the player have fulfilled my expectations to build and sound quality, and I am generally satisfied with it. However, the above quirks are really annoying and therefore my next player will probably be a Rio, if they start upping the size of their supplied harddrives.

whats the difference in price with the iriver and ipod?

So everyone hates Ipod, yet Apples shares have tripled in one year time because of it's sales.

Anyway, that Iriver looks way better. I'd buy the Iriver. But yeah, I can get the Ipod photo for 150 � so I think I'll go for that one.

i have a 4th gen ipod and that iriver player does look pretty nice. The ipods battery life does suck balls, but in real world use i doubt the iriver has much more than a couple hours advantage. The biggest advantage I see the ipod having is the endless amount of accessories made for it.

One of the best I have seen to address the battery life issues, especially if you were travelling overseas or somewhere you couldnt charge your player, is the battery pack made by belkin i think. Lets you put in 4 AA batteries and it will charge the internal battery as well as play at the same time. I think its good for about 15 or 20 hours.

A lot of the accessories could be adapted for use with other players like the FM transmittor, but they integrate so seamlessly with the ipod so thats always nice.

Another cool thing with the ipod is if you have a 3rd generation or previous you can load the little linux OS onto it as well as use apples OS. Im not sure of all the features but i know you can get a bunch of games, display pictures, and best of all use the headphone jack as a line in for recording. I cant wait for them to finish up on the 4th generation version.

Oh yeah, the click wheel is really cool too. The griffin probably has a lot of extra features the ipod doesnt, but the ipod is probably the smallest large capacity player next to the sony, and its interface is really simple and easy to use while driving. I am happy for now, guess i just wont be looking up any info on the griffin so i stay that way!

Personally I did a lot of research on MP3 players before I bought one cuz I didn't have money to throw around on a bad MP3 player. Well, I based my criterion on size, price of course, style, battery life, accesories, support, and overall hype. Well i chose an IPod, because I just wanted a music player. Yeah H320 has a color screen and video modules, but a friend of mine had one and the screen was too small. With size, The ipod's smaller, but the difference is not noticable. Price, the price's are about what and what but I bought my brand new Ipod from Ebay so i got mine with remote for around 280. The Ipod is easily more stylish and has better functionality, Battery life, the Iriver wins hands down, but the Ipod is no slouch, I have no qualms about battery life tho. accessories, Ipod wins this one as there are many first party as well as third party accesories that exist, Iriver barely has any that aren't built in but, the built in ones are ok, movies i already talked about dont really like radio so yeah. Support, Ipod's got more hands done which means more software for linux distros and many help boards if i get stuck. If i were u if u want it just for music, get an Ipod. If u want bells and shit, get Iriver, but believe me, functionality will become obsolete.

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Originally posted by NomadaNare Well i chose an IPod, because I just wanted a music player.

Rio Karma is the best ,,,

1) highest quality audio ... hands down i've compared it to iPod and every single review I have ever read rates it number 1 in this catagory and when it comes to audio devices this is the be all end all of what your buying decision is based on
2) best looking design also the smallest so it's very portable
3) great software
4) compatible with more formats than any other player
5) i only have to recharge the battery once a week and I listen to it often

Ok, im tired of hearing people praise products which clearly arent the best. The sony pwns....thats that.

And new MDs are around the corner:

Sony MZ-RH10





High res shot: http://www.minidisc.org/images/Sony_MZRH10.jpg

# HI-MD WALKMAN with large Organic EL Display
# MP3 / Atrac3plus direct playback <---FINALLY!!!
# SonicStage for easy music management and unlimited check outs of your favourite tracks
# Supports all popular digital audio compression formats: ATRAC / MP3 / WMA / WAV
# New type remote control
# Record from multiple source: USB-in / Mic-in / Analogue-in / Digital-in
# Extremely fast music transfer from and to PC: 1 CD in less than 40 seconds
# Capable of storing audio, video and data files on your HI-MD disc (Word, Powerpoint, ATRAC, MP3, JPEG, MPEG, etc)
# Incl. Charging stand, AC Power Adpater
# Long battery life of 32 hours On a Removable Nimh gumstick!!!!
# G-PROTECTION Jog Proof
# Transfer up to 45 CDs onto a single 1GB Hi-MD disc (with Atrac3Plus compression).


Sony MZ-DHP10









Features:

* Includes built-in 1.3Mpixel camera (1280x960) with 4x digital zoom
* Built-in 1.5 inch color TFT LCD screen
* Slide-show mode allows pictures to be synced to music
* Stored photos can be moved or deleted
* Plays back MP3 files
* High Definition Digital amp
* USB bus powered
* Jog-dial

Markets: US, Europe

Manufacturer's Feature List:

* HI-MD WALKMAN with large Organic EL Display
* MP3 / Atrac3plus direct playback
* SonicStage for easy music management and unlimited check outs of your favourite tracks
* Supports all popular digital audio compression formats: ATRAC / MP3 / WMA / WAV
* New type remote control
* Record from multiple source: USB-in / Mic-in / Analogue-in / Digital-in
* Extremely fast music transfer from and to PC: 1 CD in less than 40 seconds
* Capable of storing audio, video and data files on your HI-MD disc (Word, Powerpoint, ATRAC, MP3, JPEG, MPEG, etc)
* Incl. Charging stand, AC Power Adpater
* Long battery life of 32 hours
* G-PROTECTION Jog Proof
* Transfer up to 45 CDs onto a single 1GB Hi-MD disc (with Atrac3Plus compression).

And, for those of you who were stupid enough to buy an ipod shuffle:

Sony NWE505







Specs:

512 or 1gb Capacity
50 HOURS OF PLAYBACK ON ONE CHARGE
LCD Screen (unlike shitty ipod shuffle)
FM Radio
About the size of a cigarette lighter.

More info: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/produc...h-players_x.htm

Gimme a Walkman where I can plug in my 1G geek stick and play it and then we'll talk...
That's about the tits if you ask me.


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Above and Beyond pres Tranquility - Surrender (Filterheadz Mix)

iAudio also has a nice MP3 player that puts the ipods to shame:

iAudio G3 with 50 hour battery life and EQ settings, plus MUCH more:

Specifications





Playback format MPEG 1/2/2.5 layer 3 (8Kbps ~ 320Kbps) (8kHz ~ 48kHz) and VBR
All ranges of WMA7 WMA (20Kbps ~ 192Kbps) (8kHz ~ 48kHz)
WMA9 CBR(5Kbps Mono ~ 320Kbps Stereo)
VBR(48Kbps ~ 256Kbps)
* WMA9 Pro, Lossless and Voice Codec not supported.
OGG (Currently support up to Q8)
WAV (Up to 44.1Khz Stereo)
Memory 256MB/512MB/1GB*
PC interface
USB 2.0 (Up to 20Mbps)
Battery
AA battery X 1
Power
Play up to 50 hours, based on company's self-test
Buttons 8 buttons (Play, REC, MODE, Menu, FF, REW, VOL+, VOL-)
Switch 1 switch (Hold)
Display 128 X 64 full graphic LCD
SNR 95 dB
Max Output 16 Ohm earphone : 13mW + 13mW
Frequency Range 20Hz ~ 20KHz
Size 2.52 X 1.77 X 0.67 inch (64.0 X 45.0 X 17.10 mm)
Weight 1.27 oz (without battery)


More info: http://www.jetaudio.com/products/iaudio/g3/index.html

dont forget about creative labs..they have the best sound......i choose iriver cuase of 2 things

1.ogg support
2. plug and play.

i didnt read the entire thread, but all that i'll add is that for those that say the iriver plays movies...its at 10fps....and i'll take my 3g 10 gig ipod over most any mp3 player, there is a lot to be said about having the easiest to use menus in the business. i sell these things for a living, and nobody in my store has yet figured out how to access and use everything on the iriver....that says a lot when its a store full of nerds.

y anyone would buy a 300$ sony minidisc over a Rio which costs the same w/ better sound quality and 20 gig storage is beyond me

minidiscs are the Betamax of the 1990s

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Originally posted by Hedron y anyone would buy a 300$ sony minidisc over a Rio which costs the same w/ better sound quality and 20 gig storage is beyond me minidiscs are the Betamax of the 1990s

because MD ACTUALLY has exceptional sound quality, that exceeds the Rio (dont even THINK about arguing over that, MD's quality is superior to everything out ther, hands down) and now that MD supports MP3 completely, its even more capable of producing good sound.

also, removable battery that costs 10 bucks whch lasts 30 hours on one charge. why wouldnt you want that?

and lastly NOONE will ever need 20gb on the go, EVER. To say such a thing is complete idiocy. No battery in the world in the consumer market will last long enough to play even HALF of the songs uve got.

With MD u got removable media, 1GB per disc, which is plenty, and if u tell me it isnt, your being greedy and making pointless arguements, youll never go through more then 3 gigs of music in a week.

Oh yeah, MD also acts as a storage device.....

And for people in the recording industry, MD as a portable unity in its size has the best sound quality.

I could go on, beleive me, i could....

Some people are just sheep and buy into ipods, but ill agree, rio karma is good, but outdated these days.

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Originally posted by kamil and lastly NOONE will ever need 20gb on the go, EVER. To say such a thing is complete idiocy. No battery in the world in the consumer market will last long enough to play even HALF of the songs uve got.

I need more than 20 GB on the go









I just wouldn't buy on ipod

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Originally posted by Hedron minidiscs are the Betamax of the 1990s

so true

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Originally posted by verndogs so true

checkout the New MDs i posted, obviously some people arent reading......

I don't like removable media it's a pain to lug around ... I can put my entire mp3 collection on my Rio ... I would have to lug around 20+ minidiscs to do that ... as for music quality .. well that's debatable as you would have to increase the size each song takes on the disc whether it's a HDD or minidisc ... but the Rio is top of the line as far as music quality as HDD jukeboxes go, and I sincerely doubt that anyone could tell the difference, so I would assume they are equal in that dept

if you combine my Rio with my Audio-Technica A500s ... you don't get better than that as far as listening to trance .. the detail, the highs/mids .. effin sweet... not too hot for rock but .. lol .. this ain't a rock forum so I don't think anyone will care about that, including myself

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Originally posted by Gauss And yes, who the fuck needs screen with more than 1 color for playing music?

Can't navigate an IPod's menus with just one color, now can you?

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Originally posted by idoru Can't navigate an IPod's menus with just one color, now can you?

LOL

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Originally posted by kamil LOL

he's right.

But i do have to sya, if there was direct support for the Mac, then i wouldnt mind picking up one of the next gen md players. When my sister had one, she had to go through so many hoops just to get music onto it. That experience turned me off of them.

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