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Originally posted by Nou You need to shut the fuck up and start thinking logically you fucking gimp. Yea, I am sure that there was a controlled explosion setup during the time that those planes had hit the building and the people in the buildings were evacuated, as well as firefighters and police and other personal, INCLUDING a video crew that has footage from inside the lobby of the first building to fall while it was being evacuated and fire crews were heading up. I seriously doubt that something like that would go un-noticed. Yea, the planes were designed to take 757, a smaller aircraft than the 767 that did hit, and also was ment for it to hit at slow speeds (becuase it might be lost in fog, etc) not a fully loaded 767 travelling at 550 mph. You're a fucking fool if you think anything other than those planes took down the buildings.

Typical, try and attack someone's character when you have little idea as to what you are talking about and cannot logically defend your argument.

Keep repeating the lies you've so ignorantly accepted and maybe your denial will save you. Or not.


When could they have planted the bombs, you ask?

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/108539.php

http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.pht...h&printable=yes



Among the many other anomalies that can be used to refute the official story, I'd like to know how you attribute the molten steel in the basement to the planes crashing 80+ stories up. (Structural Steel melts at around 2800 degrees Fahrenheit) It doesn't sound like the planes really did as much structural damage as the public is being led to believe. At around 1100 degrees, the fires from the jet fuel couldn't even come close to being hot enough to melt structural steel, and even if they did manage to get that hot, the fuel would have burned off within 10-15 minutes. Of course, there is always the chance that they used Thermite.


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00177.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...-wtc-tape_x.htm


Also regarding the jet-fueled fire theory of bringing the tower down keep in mind that when Flight 175 hit the (corner of the) South Tower, the majority of it's fuel was ejected out of the side in a large fireball - greatly lessening it's chances of causing damage as severe as that of in the.

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JO...Eagar-0112.html

And yes, the towers were designed to absorb the impact from a 707 (the largest plane at the time) and not a 767. While it's 60,000 lbs lighter, the 707 actually travels at a higher velocity, so what's your point?

The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 707-320B is 336,000 pounds.
The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 767-200ER is 395,000 pounds.

The wingspan of a Boeing 707 is 146 feet
The wingspan of a Boeing 767 is 156 feet

The length of a Boeing 707 is 153 feet
The length of a Boeing 767 is 159 feet

The Boeing 707 could carry 23,000 gallons of fuel
The Boeing 767 could carry 23,980 gallons of fuel

The cruise speed of a Boeing 707 is 607 mph = 890 ft/s
The cruise speed of a Boeing 767 is 530 mph = 777 ft/s

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Here's an interesting video with some good information: http://movies26.enwhore.com/loosechange.wmv

i just laughed a little. thx

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-brea...02755-6408r.htm

http://www.booktv.org/General/index...677&schedID=362

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-brea...02755-6408r.htm




Senator Accuses Bush of Cover-Up
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: September 8, 2004

WASHINGTON, Sept. 7 (AP) - Senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who is a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the White House on Tuesday of covering up evidence that might have linked Saudi Arabia to the Sept. 11 hijackers.

Mr. Graham made the accusation in a new book and repeated it at a news conference Tuesday arranged by Senator John Kerry's presidential campaign. Republicans called the accusations "bizarre conspiracy theories," and the Saudis said they were unsubstantiated and reckless.


The accusation stems from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview an informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers.

In his book "Intelligence Matters," Mr. Graham, the co-chairman of the Congressional inquiry with Representative Porter J. Goss, Republican of Florida, said an F.B.I. official wrote them in November 2002 and said "the administration would not sanction a staff interview with the source.'' On Tuesday, Mr. Graham called the letter "a smoking gun" and said, "The reason for this cover-up goes right to the White House."

The report added to suspicions about a Saudi role in the hijacking plot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/08/p...5070&oref=login


No there's no cover up



Senator Dayton: NORAD Lied About 9/11
http://www.911truth.org/article.php...040731213239607

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Originally posted by Trancer-X http://washingtontimes.com/upi-brea...02755-6408r.htm http://www.booktv.org/General/index...677&schedID=362 http://washingtontimes.com/upi-brea...02755-6408r.htm Senator Accuses Bush of Cover-Up By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: September 8, 2004 WASHINGTON, Sept. 7 (AP) - Senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who is a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the White House on Tuesday of covering up evidence that might have linked Saudi Arabia to the Sept. 11 hijackers. Mr. Graham made the accusation in a new book and repeated it at a news conference Tuesday arranged by Senator John Kerry's presidential campaign. Republicans called the accusations "bizarre conspiracy theories," and the Saudis said they were unsubstantiated and reckless. The accusation stems from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview an informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers. In his book "Intelligence Matters," Mr. Graham, the co-chairman of the Congressional inquiry with Representative Porter J. Goss, Republican of Florida, said an F.B.I. official wrote them in November 2002 and said "the administration would not sanction a staff interview with the source.'' On Tuesday, Mr. Graham called the letter "a smoking gun" and said, "The reason for this cover-up goes right to the White House." The report added to suspicions about a Saudi role in the hijacking plot. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/08/p...5070&oref=login No there's no cover up Senator Dayton: NORAD Lied About 9/11 http://www.911truth.org/article.php...040731213239607

so wait a senator says something and we all MUST bel...

ok nevermind. lol i dont really care that much to argue this. lol

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Originally posted by Trancer-X http://washingtontimes.com/upi-brea...02755-6408r.htm http://www.booktv.org/General/index...677&schedID=362 http://washingtontimes.com/upi-brea...02755-6408r.htm Senator Accuses Bush of Cover-Up By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: September 8, 2004 WASHINGTON, Sept. 7 (AP) - Senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who is a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the White House on Tuesday of covering up evidence that might have linked Saudi Arabia to the Sept. 11 hijackers. Mr. Graham made the accusation in a new book and repeated it at a news conference Tuesday arranged by Senator John Kerry's presidential campaign. Republicans called the accusations "bizarre conspiracy theories," and the Saudis said they were unsubstantiated and reckless. The accusation stems from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview an informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers. In his book "Intelligence Matters," Mr. Graham, the co-chairman of the Congressional inquiry with Representative Porter J. Goss, Republican of Florida, said an F.B.I. official wrote them in November 2002 and said "the administration would not sanction a staff interview with the source.'' On Tuesday, Mr. Graham called the letter "a smoking gun" and said, "The reason for this cover-up goes right to the White House." The report added to suspicions about a Saudi role in the hijacking plot. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/08/p...5070&oref=login No there's no cover up Senator Dayton: NORAD Lied About 9/11 http://www.911truth.org/article.php...040731213239607

wow...all it looks like to me, was that Graham was trying to get some free publicity for his book...and dipshits like you take it as fact.

that is all

wtf nou u belive in this so strongly? for one wack job out there u dont ahve to go all crazy.. count to 10.

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Originally posted by Nou I am attacking your character because its a fundamental part of your argument. You are an idiot. Most likely this was the huge support beams that ran from the exoskeleton of the building to the internal support structure breaking. That second link had nothing to do with anything... First off, the steal didn't melt, its integrity was compromised by the heat and the weight of the building caused it to fail. Thermite would be an unlikely method as its hard to deploy, and if it were used it would have been thrown all over the place during the collapse. Thermite burns hot and quickly. You have to remember that the building collapsed onto a subway tunnel, and a lot of the fires centered around the areas close the line, which basically let huge amounts of oxygen in to fuel fires of debris that were in the wreckage. The fact that it hit the side was even more damaging as one of the points that failed worse than the actual beams were the parts that attached it to the super structure. When those parts failed the floors started falling apart and falling on top of each other. Eventually the weight was too much and it just all went down. Yes, true that it has a faster cruising speed but the design of the buildings was meant to take a 707 at 250-300 miles an hour and the situation was based around a plane that had been lost in the fog, and most likely was at the end of its journey (it would be more likely that a plane coming in would get lost and hit then a plane leaving and following direct routes away from the city). The planes that hit the towers were traveling at nearly twice the speed and had an almost full fuel load. OK now to totally prove your wrong. Do you even know the basics of a controlled demolition? You have to practically strip a building bare and place explosives on exposed parts of the structure. I doubt this would go unnoticed at the world trade center site. It also takes along time to do this and lots and lots of people involved. Its really hard to keep secrets that big. Now just to prove Mr. Thompson wrong, watch ANY video of the buildings collapsing and you will see that the building collapses from the top. THE PARTS UNDER THE COLLAPSING TOP SECTIONS DO NOT MOVE! IF IT WERE BLOWN UP FROM THE BASE THAT MEANS THE WHOLE BUILDING WOULD BE MOVING AT ONCE!!! Unless every video taken, personal and network, was somehow faked, along with live video that I watched on TV when it happened then he is totally baseless and wrong. THIS IS CALLED BASIC LOGIC, AND THATS WHY I CAN CALL YOU AND IDIOT AND ITS NOT AN ATTACK OF CHARACTER, ITS POINTING OUT A FACT. idiot.

It's funny, because I can almost picture you trying to make sense out of all of this, but coming up short you are forced to resort to personal attacks. That's what people of lower intelligence do out of desperation - they resort to using ad-hominem attacks.


Anyway, back to the topic. The second link has much to do with it.

George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family.

It's cool how you're calling me an idiot when you're the one that is arguing against a society of engineers and physicists who have put their careers on the line by claiming that it would be virtually impossible (aside from implementing controlled demolition) for the Towers to have fallen like that.

BTW - the seismic data as well as the video footage from the ground points to a large quake 9 seconds before the North Tower collapsed into it's own footprint. It's against all odds that it could have happened so neatly WITHOUT using controlled demolition.



You still haven't answered me about the molten steel in the basement, btw.

And since you seem to know everthing about these events, can you explain to me why they changed the story on Tower 7? Larry Silverstein himself said that they pulled it, so why does the official story say otherwise? Hmmmmmmm?

Now please try to convince me that you're not the 14 year old adolescent you seem to be, and dispense with the personal insults which add absolutely nothing to the argument. I'm sure you know how to have an honest discussion without getting your panties in a bunch. It's called emotional maturity, so try to display some for a change.

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Originally posted by Nou Trancer-X, I will agree with you and suggest that there might have been a cover up over 9-11. But the cover up was not of the US planning and committing these acts. Arab extremist Muslims carried out these attacks. The US probably knew of these attacks. Either through blunder (which I wouldn't put past our agencies, they are pretty retarded) or turning a blind eye the US let 9-11 happen. But one thing I know for sure is that those planes are the soul reason for those two buildings to collapse, along with WTC Tower 7 which collapsed due to debris from one of the main towers (see it wasn't a totally controlled collapse, the buildings fell to their sides and smashed another building to a point of collapse).

So I guess that's why so many CIA agents and FBI agents were up in arms when they were blocked from further investigating the terrorists.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

I just think it's funny how few people seem to talk about this, but as soon as someone starts posting all of the relevant information they are attacked and called "whacko's!"

Perhaps you spineless souls are the whacko's for being such sheeple, taking every lie at face value and then attacking anyone who says otherwise.

The facts don't lie, and I'm sure that they will ALL be revealed some day, just as Germany's Reichstag fire was.

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Originally posted by Nou I HATE IDIOTS AND IGNORANCE! But yea, I am done. If he is stupid enough to keep believing that hopefully he walks in front of a bus.

Worse than that, though, is hubris. Exaggerated self-confidence in THINKING that you know.

Your comments reflect greatly on your character, or lack therof.

And don't hate yourself so much, there will be a day when you finally grow up and understand that not everything is as it appears, that the government has, and will continue to lie to you - especially if you continue to be so arrogantly naive in your propagandized assertions.

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Originally posted by jrbuddha wow...all it looks like to me, was that Graham was trying to get some free publicity for his book...and dipshits like you take it as fact.

Again with the character assassination. Don't any of you have the brains to put forth a valid argument?

Instead of showing your proficiency in acting ignorant, why don't you try refuting what I've said? Oh yeah, that's right - you can't.

UPI Hears...


By John Daly
UPI International Correspondent

Washington, DC, Jun. 13 (UPI) -- Insider notes from United Press International for June 8

A former Bush team member during his first administration is now voicing serious doubts about the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9-11. Former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is "bogus" and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7. Reynolds, who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas and is now professor emeritus at Texas A&M University said, "If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling." Reynolds commented from his Texas A&M office, "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either. The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings."

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-brea...02755-6408r.htm

stfu Trancer-X

The argument is done. I hope.

No one cares anymore... but... you?

But keep working on your conspiracy theories! I'm sure one eventually will be correct and you can confidently say "hah, I told you." And I am not being sarcastic! Once in a while people like you are right!

Just like ALL young people must try new and different things, and think new ideas, just because MOST fail and that some of them DIE doesn't mean it's not worth it.

Just don't... um. Bring you're renutters ideas here.

Shit. I'm still typing. Now I am the loser.

EDIT: Now I shall character assassinate. I just looked at your profile.

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Occupation Student of Life, Professor of Love

You are a hippie. I hate hippies.

Hippies!

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Originally posted by Nou Show me actual visual proof of a controlled demolition and I will believe you. You can't though, because there is none.

Just because a blind man can't see the sun, does that mean it's not there?

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There is no way that something like this could be kept a secret. It just doesn't work like that.

You mean like how everyone knew FDR had advanced knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack? Or like how everyone knows about the Business plot in which a small group of powerful, wealthy individuals wanted to assassinate FDR?

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You have to agree with me that if it was a controlled explosion it certainly didn't happen at the base of the tower. If this were the case the whole building would be moving during the collapse, which is NOT what happened obviously from the literally hundreds of different angles that the collapse was captured from.

A 2.3 on the Richter scale says it moved, and the eyewitness accounts of the basement being totally obliterated certainly offer a few clues. Would the basement have been destroyed by a fireball travelling down the elevator shaft? I doubt it.

Something created heat intense enough to turn the basement's steel into a molten mass. I doubt it was the exploded jets, which were 80+ stories above ground.

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Now, if the controlled explosives were at the points of impact, and those planes were able to hit the exact same areas that the explosives were supposed to be at, don't you think the explosives would either go off prematurely or have their timing/detonation systems damaged? Explain to me how this works, exactly.

Floors 50 and above had been evacuated many times in the preceding weeks, supposedly for drills. The power had been shut down, the security cameras disabled. If you can't connect those dots then I don't see why I should be obligated to point out every "official storyline" inconsistency to you.

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Explain how so many people went to work on that morning and noticed NOTHING out of the ordinary.

Maybe it had something to do with the way the plan was carried out with military precision and how the non-governmental WTC employees who came to work had no advanced notice? Excluding John O'Neil, of course - he was purposefully transferred there as he was one of the whistleblowers who complained of the governments resistance to allow him to investigate the terrorists.

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Explain how they would transport the hundreds of pounds of explosives need in a controlled explosion.

how do they usually do it? I doubt that they used Camel's, I'm sure of that much.

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Explain how they would organize the construction crews and specialists needed to first clear away the exteriors of the support columns and then plant explosives then cover them again all with out being noticed.

If you had taken the time and watched the video that was posted they gave a timeline of when the building was powered down and when groups of workers and engineers had open access to all of the uppermost floors (50 and above).

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There is too much to explain and I doubt you have answers that are plausible for any of those. The only thing I am having trouble grasping is how someone who claims to be intelligent can believe such crap. Actually I can. It's trendy to believe this stuff. You're a fucking trend whore. Thanks for being a follower.

Well, it would definitely seem as though I'm going against the current on this one. I'm actually trying to wake people from their self-absorbed, closed-minded stupors so that they may actually understand what is happening here.

I honestly don't know of too many others doing this, especially considering the implications it could have if one were to be targeted by our government's thought police. I hear our various alphabet agencies can make life a living hell for political dissident's, especially during war time. I'm hoping that my name isn't on a red or a blue list, but even if it is I can't let that dissuade me from inspiring others to search for the truth.

Ok, now you two are just bickering.

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Originally posted by DJFreaq stfu Trancer-X The argument is done. I hope. No one cares anymore... but... you? But keep working on your conspiracy theories! I'm sure one eventually will be correct and you can confidently say "hah, I told you." And I am not being sarcastic! Once in a while people like you are right! Just like ALL young people must try new and different things, and think new ideas, just because MOST fail and that some of them DIE doesn't mean it's not worth it. Just don't... um. Bring you're renutters ideas here. Shit. I'm still typing. Now I am the loser. EDIT: Now I shall character assassinate. I just looked at your profile. You are a hippie. I hate hippies.

As I've said, it's amazing how everyone comes out of the woodwork to disparage me when they can't actually refute what has been posted.

I know that I'm making progress when all of the lackwits are up in arms because their conceptions are being challenged. It's about time someone provoked them to use their brains!

Yeah, I'm a hippie! But I also have a big ass gun.

How's that for shattering the stereotype?

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Originally posted by Trancer-X As I've said, it's amazing how everyone comes out of the woodwork to disparage me when they can't actually refute what has been posted. I know that I'm making progress when all of the lackwits are up in arms because their conceptions are being challenged. It's about time someone provoked them to use their brains! Yeah, I'm a hippie! But I also have a big ass gun. How's that for shattering the stereotype?

Stereotypical or not, both of you are arguing back and forth getting NOWHERE, because neither of you can prove, or refute the other with substancial, respectable, reliable FACT.

So...please,

STFU.

Arguement is over, go on MSN or something to continue your bitching.

back on topic

Tyranny Comes to Amerika

By Henry Makow Ph.D.
March 05, 2005

The "suicide" deaths of Hunter Thompson, Gary Webb and J.H. Hatfield show that reporters who expose the criminal activities of our political elite are risking their lives.

They are on the front line of freedom. When they are killed, it means very bad things are in store.

In the latest issue of "World Currency Review," veteran British intelligence analyst Christopher Story warns us to expect a tyranny in America worse than Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. I'll elaborate below.

Hunter Thompson was killed late last month. He was working on stories dealing with a homosexual callboy (or programmed sex slave?) ring in the Bush White House and the demolition of the World Trade Center.

Gary Webb was killed in December. His specialty was the Cocaine Import Agency (CIA).

J.H. Hatfield "committed suicide" in 2001. His book "Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President" was actually withdrawn by the publisher during the 2000 election campaign. About 100,000 copies were actually burned!

In the book, Hatfield established that G.W. Bush was convicted of cocaine possession in 1972. His father had the record expunged.

Otherwise Hatfield's book is quite positive about Junior. I never thought El Presidente had the wit to fly a jet fighter. Two other details caught my attention:

One of the original investors in Daddy Bush's Zapata Oil was Eugene Meyer, a Chairman of the Federal Reserve, a war profiteer and the publisher of the Washington Post. The Bushes were always operatives for the Illuminati bankers.

And when Junior was looking for investors in Arbusto Oil, James Bath staked him. Bath was a close business associate of Osama Bin Laden's father! This supports my contention in "Bush, Bin Laden Serve the Same Master" that the globalist elite directs the War of Terror against the American people.


TYRANNY IN AMERIKA


Christopher Story is the author of "The New Underworld Order: Triumph of Criminalism and the Global Hegemony of Masonic Intelligence,"(available from amazon.com.uk)

I haven't read it yet but I have read the latest (winter 2004-2005) issue of his "International Currency Review."

Story has extensive contacts in the Intelligence Community. Essentially his view is that, despite the supposed "fall" of Communism (See Anatoly Golitsyn's The Perestroika Deception) the Illuminati bankers continue to use Russia, and specifically the KGB successor agencies to foster their world tyranny, which he defines as:

"The destruction of the nation state and its replacement by regional and global governance systems, with a small, self-appointed elite controlling the world's resources at the expense of everyone else, for their own benefit. This is the essence of the world revolution through which we are living."

Story says that this "revolution" uses corruption and criminalism as instruments. Soviet intelligence operatives were literally retrained as criminals and infiltrated into Europe and the U.S. He says the US intelligence community also is used to foster moral corruption partly to blackmail and bribe holders of public office. No elected official "can move," he says.

"In this coup d'etat by installments, the US intelligence community has impregnated and corrupted the republican form of democratic governance by blackmail...and by always ensuring that its own personnel occupy the most important policymaking posts. In this respect there is no difference between the US and Soviet Systems."

This is literally true in terms of personnel. The list of "former" KBG generals working for the new Dept of Homeland Security includes Yevgeny Primakov, Alaxander Karpov and Oleg Kalugin. These men continue to serve "the covert Communist Party of the Soviet Union." (82)

The Dept. of Homeland Security, headed by Israeli-US joint citizen Michael Chertoff, is accountable to the President only. Its entire dealings are secret. It operates with impunity.

Story writes: "The language of Patriot Act II is believed to be lifted almost verbatim from...the Soviet Internal Security Enhancement Act (1965). A system of internal spying is being installed...along East German STASI lines [with help of consultant] East German STASI General Marcus Wolf." (130)

In an interview, Primakov volunteered that when the National Identity Card act (NICA) is passed, the Posse Comitatus Act is overturned, and other forms of repressive legislation are approved, "the White House will have acquired greater control over the American people than the Kremlin could exert when Stalin was alive." (82)

Story says that "the volume of official criminal operations and funds stolen have exceeded mind boggling numbers...only the most draconian control mechanisms can ever guarantee the immunity of all the high-level perpetrators...from exposure, arrest, indictment or worse." (110)

He reminds us of George H.W. Bush's comment that "if the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts."

The "draconian control mechanisms" include the construction of an American Gulag, a system of "prison camps" in army installations, euphemistically known as the "Civilian Inmate Labor Program." The same thing has happened in Canada.


CONCLUSION


Christopher Story is describing the stealth Communist takeover of the USA. How better do it when everyone is thinking Muslims, and our elected officials are too corrupt and compromised to protect us?

The Illuminati puppeteers appear to be setting the stage for a world war between the US and Israel on the one hand, and Iran, Russia and possibly Europe and China on the other. The Iraq war is a proxy war like the Spanish Civil War. According to Story, the Russian GPU prepared the Iraqi insurgency.

World War may be preceded by a breakdown in the world financial system prompted by financial and criminal excesses or the abandonment of the US dollar.

Or a "terrorist" event could provide an excuse to impose martial law, the draft, confiscate gold etc.

I almost didn't write this week. I felt like taking a break from this stuff. Spring is teasing us here in the North where I live. The days are getting longer.

Divorced from our real history, we are taught to think of concentration
camp, plague, mass slaughter and secret police as things from a benighted past.

The events of Sept 11 have brought us back to rude reality. The forces
responsible for the excesses of Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia are
responsible for 9-11. They still rule the world.

The Internet is abuzz. The American sheeple are stirring. Wolves have slaughtered some at the edges. Three thousand at the World Trade Center; ten thousand in Iraq; some reporters.

The sheeple hope they will be spared if they keep their head down and
play stupid. If history is an indication, this won't be the case.

Sheep get slaughtered.



See Below: "Former KGB Generals Hired by Dept. of Homeland Security" by C. Iserbyt



http://www.savethemales.ca/000834.html

god you're dumb

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Originally posted by apostrophe Stereotypical or not, both of you are arguing back and forth getting NOWHERE, because neither of you can prove, or refute the other with substancial, respectable, reliable FACT. So...please, STFU. Arguement is over, go on MSN or something to continue your bitching.

So, who asked you to click on the thread? Nobody, right?


Anyway, there are plenty of facts surrounding what has happened. They're just all being glossed over by the minions, which is what I'm trying to prevent here. If you can't accept open dialogue, then maybe America is the wrong place for you.

Also, I've even posted sources which contain interviews with government officials who are raising the same questions.

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Originally posted by D-res god you're dumb

And you're a freaking genious, huh?

At least I'm not the insecure pansy that has to post pictures of drugs in his signature in a failed attempt to be cool.

Grow up, kid. Your mommy will be proud of you someday, I'm sure.

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Originally posted by Nou No, but there is no proof either way.

Bingo! You've won the prize!

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I never denied this, I have no doubts there was prior knowledge of an attack. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE U.S. CARRIED IT OUT ON ITS OWN.

Of course they didn't carry it out on their own. I never said that they did.

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Yea. So everyone of those videos that shows the buildings collapsing, and every eyewitness account is fake? I never said that the basement was destroyed by a fireball... you know what does destroy things?

No, I asked you about three times where the molten steel came from and you skirted around the question every time.

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MILLIONS OF TONS OF DEBRIS FALLING AT 250km AN HOUR! As the building collapses the bottom parts stay stationary and DOESN'T MOVE. Unless your blind you would see this. If it was controlled explosion in the base of the tower than it would have brought the whole building down at once. THIS WAS NOT THE CASE.

So, what was the difference in the way Tower 7 fell? It seemed to me like it fell right in it's own footprint just as the others did - except Tower 7 admittedly was pulled down by using controlled demolition

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

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So those planes hit perfectly on target but still managed to no disturb what would be hundreds, if not thousands of pounds of highly specialized shaped charges designed to cut steel, not to mention destroy any of the wiring systems needed to carefully detonate those explosives in a manor to bring down the building as it did.

You don't seem to understand that the buildings were hit at the 78th-84th and 93rd-98th floors, on 110 story buildings. It would seem to me that a few of the charges began going off as soon as the plane hit, hence the separate seismic readings.

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Like I said, its hard to keep secrets this big with out someone spilling knowledge of it.

So what do you think I've been posting this whole time? Do you think that so many of the whistleblowers have been losing their jobs because they are just conspiracy theorists like me? Many people had first hand accounts of what had happened, but there's a ton of subterfuge that is being promoted.

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No one noticed these explosives being brought into the building, I have never been to New York, nor do I ever plan or want to since its pretty much the center of all things bad about this country (I really hate New York ) but its a pretty busy city, and the WTC was a pretty big hub of activity, day or night.

Yeah, I'm sure they made their presences well-known, used official "bomb-squad" trucks, etc. It was a huge building and it was a professional operation. Obviously you are underestimating whoever did it.

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Like I said, those planes did hit the building and caused great damage to the structure (you can't deny this) and you suggest that explosive systems in place were not affected. Not only that, but these planes hit EXACTLY where they were supposed to.

And there you go, adding more fuel to the conspiratorial fire. The alleged hijackers supposedly couldn't even fly a single engine plane very well yet they were able to do some spectacular maneuvers that well trained pilots would have had a difficult time accomplishing.

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Believe me, I hate this government just as much as any other person, and personally my views are probably more radical than yours, but I am not ignorant like you. It's not worth it to do something like this. What is the point, what is the benefit to the U.S., any benefit would not out weigh the risk of something so treasonous that it could certainly incite revolution or something close to it, would it not? It's easier to let someone else do the work for you. Everyone knew that eventually the WTC would be hit again, they failed in 93 with the bombing, and they wanted to get the job done. Turn a few heads and let the radical Muslims make the first move. But yea, I am done with this thread, you obviously can't be dealt with in a reasonable matter and your far to corrupted to be of any worth arguing to. I am unsubscribing from this thread and putting you on my ignore list. I already have enough idiots in my life, don't need anymore.

But that's just it! I love my country, but the level of corruption in our government is disgraceful. If noone stands up pleading for a change, do you think that it will ever happen? Hell no, it will just get worse - especially with such docile, pliable (I should go so far as to say spineless) citizens.

The OKC attack had even more glaring inconsistencies in the official story - especially considering that they have the bomb-squad on film, coming to remove the unexploded charges that were left remaining.

I misread it and I thought Holden & Thompson killed em selves.

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