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Someone 28 years old (me) typically is not more mature than an 18 year old? An 18 year old guy isn't more concernced about proving themselves, making an appearance, and therefore more apt to start shit?

I can speak from personal experience and how different of a person I was at 18 vs. the way I am now.

Most importantly, when it's 18+ at Crobar is TOO DAMN FREAKING PACKED!!

Combine that with kids trying to start shit because they are not as confident in being themselves, then we have something that ruins my vibe.

I also know how different it is when I'm partying with Sander K at 21+ and when it's a freaking madhouse with Sasha at 18+.

The one thing I know about being an 18 year old man is that they all think they know everything. It's just like my 15 year old niece. She likes to lecture me on life. I have a nice chuckle about it.

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Originally posted by Member of X Someone 28 years old (me) typically is not more mature than an 18 year old? An 18 year old guy isn't more concernced about proving themselves, making an appearance, and therefore more apt to start shit? I can speak from personal experience and how different of a person I was at 18 vs. the way I am now. Most importantly, when it's 18+ at Crobar is TOO DAMN FREAKING PACKED!! Combine that with kids trying to start shit because they are not as confident in being themselves, then we have something that ruins my vibe. I also know how different it is when I'm partying with Sander K at 21+ and when it's a freaking madhouse with Sasha at 18+.

I thought crobar is to prove your self & make an appearance (paris hilton and such celebs)

Anyway blaming crouded clubs on 18 year olds is kinda funny.

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Originally posted by Member of X The one thing I know about being an 18 year old man is that they all think they know everything. It's just like my 15 year old niece. She likes to lecture me on life. I have a nice chuckle about it.

well what have you learned since you have turned 21? that you don't know everything?

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 well what have you learned since you have turned 21? that you don't know everything?

Without question the older I get, the more I realize how much I don't know. But in this argument, it's like 10 against one. And you're the one. So, I have to be more inclined to believe our thought process on this.

Yes, I'm blaming 18 year old for making it more packed because allowing that crowd makes it over packed. 100% of the times that 18 year old are not there, it's not too packed. 100% of the times 18 year old are there, it's too packed. Hmmm....

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 I thought crobar is to prove your self & make an appearance (paris hilton and such celebs) Anyway blaming crouded clubs on 18 year olds is kinda funny.

before glow @ fur was 18+, there was room to dance...the club was cleaner, you saw less fights..etc etc

now that its 18+, every 18-20 year old in the tri-state area makes it down every saturday and you can barely find an inch by inch space room to dance in.

everyone goes through it..it sucks, but its just a fact that 21+ are a more mature crowd. are there asses who are over 21? of course. are there mature people under 21? definitely. but in this case, i see what everyone is saying...

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 you mean like going to 21+ events?

No LOLS Lee you just won't understand the way we feel until you get to the age that we are at. Yes its true, we were all that age once and had a similar following/liking like most under 21.

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Originally posted by Member of X Without question the older I get, the more I realize how much I don't know. But in this argument, it's like 10 against one. And you're the one. So, I have to be more inclined to believe our thought process on this. Yes, I'm blaming 18 year old for making it more packed because allowing that crowd makes it over packed. 100% of the times that 18 year old are not there, it's not too packed. 100% of the times 18 year old are there, it's too packed. Hmmm....

lol it may be 10 against one, but only one of you have used your wisdom to look at things the other way. As previousely stated, the best clubs that have been in NYC have been 18+.

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Originally posted by trancEyes22 before glow @ fur was 18+, there was room to dance...the club was cleaner, you saw less fights..etc etc now that its 18+, every 18-20 year old in the tri-state area makes it down every saturday and you can barely find an inch by inch space room to dance in. everyone goes through it..it sucks, but its just a fact that 21+ are a more mature crowd. are there asses who are over 21? of course. are there mature people under 21? definitely. but in this case, i see what everyone is saying...

i think its just funny to blame over croudedness on ages. It just seems to me the second you turn 21, you just want to feel like your "supreame/better then you were at 18" and then go say that you just want to go to 21+ events because you want to get into the next social class, and leave the previous one behind.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 lol it may be 10 against one, but only one of you have used your wisdom to look at things the other way. As previousely stated, the best clubs that have been in NYC have been 18+.

That must have been the time that I was 18.....

Currently, Crobar was my favorite spot because there is hardly any fights, the management seems to know what their doing, the crowd is cool, and they get good DJ's. All those events have been 21+. The few events at 18+ haven't been as coolio. So I don't understand the argument about comparing to other clubs, countries, or past times. It's not a linear comparison. We're talking Crobar.

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Originally posted by Member of X That must have been the time that I was 18..... Currently, Crobar was my favorite spot because there is hardly any fights, the management seems to know what their doing, the crowd is cool, and they get good DJ's. All those events have been 21+. The few events at 18+ haven't been as coolio. So I don't understand the argument about comparing to other clubs, countries, or past times. It's not a linear comparison. We're talking Crobar.

How would you think of crobar/what do you think crobar would be like if it was always 18?


You know what i remember? I remember people getting annoyed at Avalon when they had a strict code. And people 21+ were not even allowed in without a hot date. People on the board were pissed off and disliked it. Remember that? How about that Paul Van Dyk show at glow, when they were giving people problems with their shoes. Even Paul apoligized for it on his webpage. People are never happy...
(someone please comment on this)

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 How would you think of crobar/what do you think crobar would be like if it was always 18?

Well, the only times it has been 18+ were those times that made me think that I didn't want to be there. As such, if it was 18+ all the time, I guess I would say I would think that I wouldn't want to be there.

Even the 18+ events at Avalon and Spirit suck ass. Well.. Avalon always sucks so let's forget that one.

I didn't grow up in NYC. I wasn't allowed in ANY club until I was 21. NONE!! So you're definitely not gonna get any sympathy from me. Personally, it's a right of passage to not get into a place that you want to.

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Originally posted by Member of X Personally, it's a right of passage to not get into a place that you want to.

thats my point, and im not looking for sympathy... im just happy that sasha is 18+

You guys make me sad...

I'm 19, I feel unwanted.

Can I come to Sasha and Zabi? Pretty please? I'll be quiet, I promise.....

Im on Lee's side. I dont see whats the big deal. I always go clubbn with a big group of friends and they are usually 18-20. Everything is always chill and fine. Just because you're 21+ your automatically are more mature is bs . Big deal it gets packed. Focus more on the music than the crowd, find your spot and dance/relax. What i dont like about the crowds in Nyc is the damn Fobs and the drunk guys that wanna start shit, and they are the ones that are over 21+. Those are the only ones that give me problems only cause they usually form a group in the middle of the dance floor in a circle and start doing weird shit, like ring around the rosey.

"how old are you again? 19? when kids like you actually show up, crobar will suddenly turn to shit...coincidence?? absolutely not..."

what exactly is kids like you?

anyway im excited i can see a few djs ive been wanting to see for a while.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 lol it may be 10 against one, but only one of you have used your wisdom to look at things the other way. As previousely stated, the best clubs that have been in NYC have been 18+.

arc was great because it's wasn't trendy at all. there was nothing special about it, at least to the casual clubber. the crowds came because they love and appeciate great EDM talent. that's why it was damn successful as an 18+ over club.


crobar, spirit, avalon, etc. are all trendy clubs. nicely designed, trendy....everyone wants to go for a good night regardless of who is playing. it's "cool" to go to these places. that's pretty much why it's crowded like hell when a big name plays at a venue that is 18+.

i personally feel that crobar is the best club going in nyc
it packs a few thousand week in and week out no matter who the dj is
they kept their 21 and over crowd cause the crowd that went there was a good drinking crowd
iam not gonna hate on them makeing their events 18 and up
its a business i understand, i just hope it doesnt turn into another spirit and avalon kinda crowd, i hope the 18 year old crowd arent jerkoff's who think its cool that they are in the biggest club in nyc and seeing the best dj's in the world and feel its ok to use drugs stupidly, and yes people 21 and over do drugs as well iam just sayin i really hope no stupid teen overdoses at crobar like what happend at twilo,factory, exit and all the other clubs that have failed due to drugs
and speaking of spirit, the word is that jp either lost his residency or is gonna be spinning there once a month, so who knows whats gonna be going on there

I'll definitely be at Carl Cox March 17 since I want to check out for myself how badly crowded crobar is on an 18+ night. (I just remember the ridiculous long line to get into crobar for the last Sasha gig)

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Originally posted by AY STAR i just hope it doesnt turn into another spirit and avalon kinda crowd, i hope the 18 year old crowd arent jerkoff's who think its cool that they are in the biggest club in nyc and seeing the best dj's in the world and feel its ok to use drugs stupidly

i think we should be worried more about the 40+ y/o's that think its cool to be going to the biggest clubs and seeing the most famous DJs and taking club drugs, than the 18+ that feel that way.... u guys were all there at one point, wernt u?

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Originally posted by DJ Eco i think we should be worried more about the 40+ y/o's that think its cool to be going to the biggest clubs and seeing the most famous DJs and taking club drugs, than the 18+ that feel that way.... u guys were all there at one point, wernt u?

i waited til i was 21 to go out...

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Originally posted by DJ Eco i think we should be worried more about the 40+ y/o's that think its cool to be going to the biggest clubs and seeing the most famous DJs and taking club drugs, than the 18+ that feel that way.... u guys were all there at one point, wernt u?

nah sorry i was once 18, but i never tryed any drugs

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Originally posted by AY STAR nah sorry i was once 18, but i never tryed any drugs

did you drink?

well, ur one of the few.... i recall my brother and cousins all going to Limelight and Tunnel and Palladium wen they were like 15/16, and not for teen nights, but for regular nights, shit was so much more lax back then, and yet every1 remembers those days as the best days of edm in the city, so maybe its not an age thing, but a huge change in the way clubs are nowadays, i guess?... i wuldnt know, i never been to ne of those old clubs back in the day.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 did you drink?

i drink like a fish
but whats that have to do with anything?

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Originally posted by AY STAR nah sorry i was once 18, but i never tryed any drugs

well, i didnt really want the stress put on the "drugs" part of my statement, but did u not, upon reaching 18 y/o, feel so relieved that u culd go see ur favorite DJs in ur favorite clubs wenever u wanted? i dont do drugs either, but, being that im 18+, wtf else can an edm/trance freak do if all the clubs decide 18 y/o are ruining the scene, and that they should be 21+??? thats no way to instill an appreciation for edm either, i dont see ne logic in that.

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