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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J And you think what you listen to is better, because not everyone has heard of it? Newsflash: there's a reason nobody has heard of it...it's because it's shit. Good music will always be popular, and it's as simple as that.

rofl. flibbertigibbet.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I like cheese. Hell, I fucking love cheese. Some of the best music ever written was pure cheese. Prodigy- Out of Space? Total fromage, but also one of the greatest pieces of dance music of its era. If you want to call trance cheese, or pop music, you can do. But if you genuinely think that makes it bad, you can fuck off, because you're elitist, and you obvious are boring as hell. Anyone who thinks fun music is bad music probably have no friends. Hell, I wouldn't be friends with you. I don't think trance is pop music. Some of the most commercial stuff is cheesy, yes, but the middle of the road trance is not cheese. If you think it's cheese just because it has a melody you're wrong. But to dislike something because it's pop, or cheesy, is idiotic. And you think what you listen to is better, because not everyone has heard of it? Newsflash: there's a reason nobody has heard of it, and it isn't because it isn't "pop", it's because it's shit. Good music will always be popular, and it's as simple as that.

I dont think you understand where i am comming from. you took his back to a personal level, so shame on you for that. You said: "But if you genuinely think that makes it bad, you can fuck off, because you're elitist, and you obvious are boring as hell. Anyone who thinks fun music is bad music probably have no friends. Hell, I wouldn't be friends with you. "

My whole argument wasnt that it isnt good music, it was that...well god ive said the same thing again in different ways, so figure it out for yourself.


"I don't think trance is pop music. Some of the most commercial stuff is cheesy, yes, but the middle of the road trance is not cheese. If you think it's cheese just because it has a melody you're wrong. But to dislike something because it's pop, or cheesy, is idiotic. And you think what you listen to is better, because not everyone has heard of it? Newsflash: there's a reason nobody has heard of it, and it isn't because it isn't "pop", it's because it's shit. Good music will always be popular, and it's as simple as that. "

You are the naive people im typed so much in this thread about. you've missed the point, guy. HAVE I EVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DISLIKING IT BECAUSE ITS CHEESY? the people who dislike it because its cheesy, dont even have a say in this, because thats just way to bias (not that some peoples arguments arnt here). your just sad someone pooped in your stocking on christmas. are you fucking joking me buddy? music...that hasnt been heard of...underground music.. (well not even underground music...im guessing your taking artists from my sig, because this hasnt been discussed yet. at least not directly towards me. MOST of those fucking artists are pretty well-known, I'd say, its just naive people like you, defending yourself with the same goddamn argument, trying to fight for some illusioned idea that trance isnt cheese. explain how it isnt? it has more goddamn emotion then valentines day. more prissy vocals than a Brittney Spears CD, over used melodies that have almost surely been done in, arguably, the less watered down trance, Classical, something im just guessing, you dont know much about either.

"Newsflash: there's a reason nobody has heard of it, and it isn't because it isn't "pop", it's because it's shit. Good music will always be popular, and it's as simple as that."


Arn't you a fucking scientist! we should have all thought of this before we purchased those old Resistance D vinyls! so all those artists that nobody has heard of, all those promising, talented musicians waiting to be discovered, are now shit? look at what we have here people, a fucking THICK skull in its purest form! Gather around as this brilliant, glorious leader of times guides us, and teaches us the new-age belief that underground Sucks! So all the shit you fail to recognize as music, good music at least, the artists you've never heard of (because your so fucking closed minded, even my asshole thinks he's seen enough); the genres you would fail to recognize and the classics you wouldnt know if they put on a pink, furry, strap-on and stuck in your little virgin, ignorant, naive, self-indulgent, asshole; that stuffs all shit, because YOU are moronic?

people, we have quite the character here. so, mr. elitest in the purest form, all good music will all ways be pop? you fucking poser. yes, little jon has a video on MTV, that must mean its popular...oh shit...did i miss something? that must mean its GOOD music to! if i ever find you dissrespecting an artist like "scooter" or "tiesto", i really hope, that if there is a god, we will join me in dropping the next thunderbolt, straight your way!

Ouch!

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Originally posted by Jaanus The thing is. It's all a matter of thinking. To you, who has been in the EDM scene for how long?, and who has really gotten a taste of a lot of different genres (I assume), trance is cheese. But the peepz who are just beginning to explore the scene and starting to get into it, trance is not cheeze. Get my point?

I have probably been in the EDM scene longer than most of you... and I don't think trance is "cheesy" and I like different genres even

Ha! As if anything in your sig is underground. Resistance D unknown? Hmm...

You think artists like Leftfield, Orbital or Underworld make pop music? You think their music has any less merit than Resistance fucking D? And yet, somehow, they sell loads of records. And somehow, they were recognised right from the word go. And yes, I know they aren't trance, but they're more popular than any trance producer.

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people, we have quite the character here. so, mr. elitest in the purest form, all good music will all ways be pop? you fucking poser. yes, little jon has a video on MTV, that must mean its popular...oh shit...did i miss something? that must mean its GOOD music to! if i ever find you dissrespecting an artist like "scooter" or "tiesto", i really hope, that if there is a god, we will join me in dropping the next thunderbolt, straight your way!

And I think it's pretty obvious you've got no idea what kind of music I like, or even what I meant with my post. "Good music will always be popular" DOES NOT equal "all popular music is good", and none of your rebel without a pause rhetoric can save you from looking a prick when you made that assumption.

And apologies if you don't think cheese is bad, but your posts gave a very different pragmatic.

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Originally posted by Ory Oh, fuck yes! Finally someone realises that Epic Trance is fucking stupid. Dance to it all you want, but it won't make you any smarter. It's the fluffiest, shallowest shit on the planet, that uses the most obvious methods of convincing its listener that it's "emotional" and "deep" (which it isn't, that's just your dumbass, X-ed out brain talking), and too many people here seem to claim that it's not. twister: I agree with everything you've said here, too.

It's posts like these that fuck me off

To say something like Ralphie B - Massive is the shallowest shit on the planet.... pffftt

So it's shallower than a Britney Spears or 50 Cent track?
Shallower than Wham?

riiiiiight

whatever

if music makes you happy, that's all you need. one man's trash is another man's treasure.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n It's posts like these that fuck me off To say something like Ralphie B - Massive is the shallowest shit on the planet.... pffftt So it's shallower than a Britney Spears or 50 Cent track? Shallower than Wham? riiiiiight whatever

Well said... :-)

i think that trance is the most suitable way to express a melody.
if it makes it cheesy? so what.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n So it's shallower than a Britney Spears or 50 Cent track? Shallower than Wham?

Yes, for fuck's sake. You really are slow.

Ory you are completely wrong.

Britney Spears and 50 Cent pump out rubbish to milk money from 12 year olds, there is no love in there music.

trance may use the big breakdowns, but that is part of trance. Its like saying the rock fraternity should stop playing guitars as there is no love in it anymore, or ballerinas should stop wearing pink because the colour is so last century.

But still, as I said before, trance producers are aware of that, so they throw together the most pompous and obvious melodies to make the listener feel the way they feel. It's so shallow.

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Originally posted by Jake Conlon Ory you are completely wrong. Britney Spears and 50 Cent pump out rubbish to milk money from 12 year olds, there is no love in there music. trance may use the big breakdowns, but that is part of trance. Its like saying the rock fraternity should stop playing guitars as there is no love in it anymore, or ballerinas should stop wearing pink because the colour is so last century.

Listen to any of the stuff from the old Eye Q/Harthouse era, and let me know when you find stuff that uses big time melodic breakdowns like Rank 1 - Airwave. Huge breakdowns with big, simple riffs only became a part of trance when producers saw the instant impact it had on the audience. It was never a part of trance like guitars for rock or pink dresses for ballerinas.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Listen to any of the stuff from the old Eye Q/Harthouse era, and let me know when you find stuff that uses big time melodic breakdowns like Rank 1 - Airwave. Huge breakdowns with big, simple riffs only became a part of trance when producers saw the instant impact it had on the audience. It was never a part of trance like guitars for rock or pink dresses for ballerinas.

That's true, too. Hypnotic borderline techno is what trance originally sounded like. Even alot of the stuff Oakenfold played in '99 isn't epic trance.

Because breakdowns are brillaint when your dancing, the it drops and you get that tingle all over your body.

Same with techno the repetativeness makes it great i dont give a fuck im gonna forget all my troubles style.

basically as ive said in another post and in my sig.

Who Gives A Fook, Just Dance.

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Originally posted by Jake Conlon Because breakdowns are brillaint when your dancing, the it drops and you get that tingle all over your body.

Not when you have to stop dancing every 5 minutes.

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Originally posted by Jake Conlon Who Gives A Fook, Just Dance.

Except ASOT kiddies don't.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Not when you have to stop dancing every 5 minutes.

4 anthems in a 2 hour set would be a good amount... but the DJs don't want to disappoint the spoilt brats in the crowd, now do they? Yes, I know, I'm starting to sound alot like Ishkur.

it may be that im completly unfit (not in a fat bastard way)

but when im out clubbing, most of the music is pithed up (i.e. 140bpm running at 150bpm) someitmes i get so knackered from dancing to some techno or techy trancey stuff that i hope the dj plays something with a little breakdown or vice versa.

but its your opinion so i aint gonna flame you for not likeing breakdowns.

i get bored of em sometimes

theres nothing better than a nice groove.

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Originally posted by Jake Conlon it may be that im completly unfit (not in a fat bastard way) but when im out clubbing, most of the music is pithed up (i.e. 145bpm running at 150bpm) someitmes i get so knackered from dancing to some techno or techy trancey stuff that i hope the dj plays something with a little breakdown or vice versa. but its your opinion so i aint gonna flame you for not likeing breakdowns. i get bored of em sometimes

It's not that, just when trance producers keep using it in every single release cos of the instant catchyness it has, it pretty much fucks up the whole point, namely to create suspense and release it all at the right points in time. Huge buildups with breakdowns that cause you to stop dancing for another 2-3 minutes twice per record ruins every chance of that happening.

I have read on/off in this thread and it's really funny seeing two ignorant fools trying to impose their bullshit propaganda over one another in absurdly radical ways. You're both perpetrating culprits in this situation.

Get a life!

Only 64 replies to this thread on the first day?

Back in the good ol days (i.e. twice a week, every week for the last 3 months) threads like this would get at least 100 of em on day 1.

Don't worry, I will monitor the situation closely. I have programmed a macro in excell which I use to perform trend analysis of this situation. If at any time one of these threads dips below 40 replies on its first day I will intervene on everyone's behalf.

In the meantime I would like to thank Ceberus (i.e. Ory, Ian and Cobalt) for its continued participation. Without its constant willingness to tag these threads with its likeness well I just can't imagine. No doubt it must drink a lot of coffee (feel free to substitue coffee with the diuretic of your choise)

I know, this board's taste is sometimes alarming! Anything that's catchy or is interpretively "too commercial" is smeared as "cheese."

Face it, almost all trance is lyrically cheesy!

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Originally posted by Subey Only 64 replies to this thread on the first day? Back in the good ol days (i.e. twice a week, every week for the last 3 months) threads like this would get at least 100 of em on day 1. Don't worry, I will monitor the situation closely. I have programmed a macro in excell which I use to perform trend analysis of this situation. If at any time one of these threads dips below 40 replies on its first day I will intervene on everyone's behalf. In the meantime I would like to thank Ceberus (i.e. Ory, Ian and Cobalt) for its continued participation. Without its constant willingness to tag these threads with its likeness well I just can't imagine. No doubt it must drink a lot of coffee (feel free to substitue coffee with the diuretic of your choise)

What have I done wrong now

I always thought cheese was rotten milk?

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