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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer Ya Al Queda has always been there I forgot  Are you gonna start the whole Saddam was a evil dictator story?  |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Like the guy (Saddam) was shitting roses or something... There's no denying Saddam's legacy and network in this world. |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer There will never be a free world as long as Bush is in charge. |
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| Originally posted by smokeape HHAHHAAAAAAA!!!!! Heard they laid 300-400 rounds into the Italians. That'll teach 'em to obey the speed limit at a check point.  [[[smoke]]] |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z that's the most disgusting comment i've heard in a while |
300-400 rds. hit the car? whatever
http://www.repubblica.it/2003/e/gal...tosgrena/1.html
she's lying. she has an agenda.
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| Originally posted by Diginerd 300-400 rounds huh? |
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| Originally posted by JM so what you're telling me, they wasted 399 bullets? only to think my taxpayer $$$ goes towards those wasted bullets. if they were trained how to shoot, it would have taken only 1 bullet... >JM< |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo 300-400 rds. hit the car? whatever http://www.repubblica.it/2003/e/gal...tosgrena/1.html she's lying. she has an agenda. |
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| It was arranged that an American colonel would be on hand at the airport when Ms Sgrena arrived for her flight back to Italy. By the time the team had rented a four-wheel drive it was already 5pm. |
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| US: It approached a checkpoint near the airport at speed when soldiers fired on it to force it to stop as a "last resort"... The soldiers used hand signals and bright lights and fired warning shots before hitting the car with shots |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Terrorism was already there... |
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| Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Oh please, don't tell me you still think Saddam had WMDs and ties to Al Quaeda??? |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Where did I say that? |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Terrorism was already there... |
Ah, f*ck you guys. A vehicle speeded towards an American checkpoint, they didn't heed warning signs, and were fired upon heavily (given the speed of the vehicle). The vehicle carried a former hostage and some other idiotic Italians who had no common sense. Bring your rants and raves elsewhere without hijacking the point here. There are plenty of other threads.
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Well finally the truth is spilling out...
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Danger on Route Irish by Austin Bay March 8, 2005 My Army staff section dubbed the dangerous high-speed dash through Baghdad "Route Irish Racing." Route Irish is the military code name for the 8 kilometers of highway linking Baghdad International Airport (BIAP) with the Green Zone. When heavily armed and armored men cram into Ford SUVs, jam the pedal to the floor and weave through freeway traffic at 70 miles an hour, film fans may think Road Warrior or the Keystone Kops. However, the Road Warrior's auto macho and the Kops' slapstick car chases are misleading. War in a sprawling, complex megacity isn't a movie that ends in two hours -- it's a relentless experience where training, courage and discipline are constantly challenged by fear and adrenaline. In Baghdad, commuting is a combat operation, for both soldiers and civilians. Blame Saddam's henchmen and Al Qaeda fascists. These beasts have made the suicide car bomb their primary murder weapon. Baghdad, like Houston and Los Angeles, is built for wheels. Narrow side streets feed boulevards, which feed expressways. Traffic moves day and night. This road net with a million vehicles is ideal terrain for an auto kamikaze. Roll up to a street corner and detonate -- instant atrocity, instant headlines, with media coverage being the murderer's strategic goal. Stopping all traffic might halt car bombs -- just like locking everyone in their house might halt all street crime -- but terror's goal is political, economic and emotional paralysis. On Jan. 30, the Iraqi people demonstrated that they aren't paralyzed. These courageous people move, even under difficult and dangerous circumstances. This brings us to roadblocks. Roadblocks put a crimp in the car bomber's plans. Roadblocks stop vehicles and people, particularly suspicious vehicles and suspicious people. In a war zone featuring auto kamikazes, roadblocks aren't user-friendly places -- and any honest adult will admit they aren't supposed to be. Iraqis complain about American roadblockss -- they're hassles. Iraqis complain more about terrorist bombs -- 2,000 Iraqis demonstrated against terror in Hilla last week to make that point. At Route Irish's Green Zone exit, traffic slows to a crawl as it weaves through concrete barriers. Once stopped, young Americans and young Iraqi National Guardsmen -- their automatic rifles ready -- quiz drivers and scowl. It's understandable -- in late June, an Iraqi Governing Council official was assassinated at the barrier. A bomb-laden car slammed the councilman's vehicle and detonated. Occasionally, temporary roadblocks halt Route Irish traffic. I recall a long wait in July as Iraqi police closed a lane and redirected non-military vehicles. Yes, I felt like a target -- it's a war zone, stay alert. Route Irish's approach to BIAP is clearly marked with signs. Heavy trucks await inspection by troops. Concrete barriers divide the lanes. The man driving the car carrying communist writer and newly released terrorist hostage Guiliana Sgrena didn't slow down as he approached a roadblock on the way to the airport. Perhaps he was afraid and fear led to speed, or perhaps he was laughing. Sgrena wrote that her car "kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad ..." Roadblocks have rules. Coalition and Iraqi troops operate roadblocks with Rules of Engagement (ROE). The ROE can change, based on current intelligence and command judgment. But one rule never changes at a roadblock: Even escorted military convoys slow down as they approach a roadblock. As for a single civilian auto approaching at high speed? If a driver doesn't hit the brakes, the troops will shoot. U.S. soldiers fired on Sgrena's speeding car as it approached their roadblock. The fire killed Italian security agent Nicola Calipari. His death is a tragic mistake. President Bush says we'll investigate the incident. I suspect Italian officers serving with multinational forces will help conduct that investigation. We need the facts. But we also need a fact-based perspective. Though the Iraqi election and the democratic surge in Lebanon demonstrate that this most intricate war we're fighting has the potential for huge payoffs in hope, justice and peace, on Baghdad's streets a Fiat might still be a kamikaze. Or is it a family sedan? As the car rushes forward the soldier -- whose life is on the line -- has a split-second to decide. |
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March 09, 2005 Giuliana Sgrena's Lies, Inconsistencies, and Treason Giuliana Sgrena's version of events leading up to the death of Italian secret service agent Nicola Calipari are inconsistent and just don't add up when compared with the physical evidence. But Sgrena's crimes are far worse than the minor infraction of being a propagandist with a political axe to grind against the US. Giuliana Sgrena is a traitor to the Italian people. While Italian troops were in a shooting war with Iraqi insurgents, Sgrena worked to bolster the spirits of those attempting to kill her fellow citizens. An Italian Tokyo Rose, Sgena used the tools of her trade to undermine the morale of Italian soldiers and bolster the spirits of the terrorist forces they were fighting. Was Giuliana Sgrena a neutral observer reporting both sides of the conflict or was she actively working to undermine Italian efforts in Iraq? Here is Sgrena in her own words on the plane taking her to Iraq courtesy of a translation by Zacht EI: Be careful not to get kidnapped,' I told the female Italian journalist sitting next to me in the small plane that was headed for Baghdad. 'Oh no,' she said. 'That won't happen. We are siding with the oppressed Iraqi people. No Iraqi would kidnap us.... 'The Americans are the biggest enemies of mankind,' the three women behind me had told me, for Sgrena travelled to Iraq with two Italian colleagues who hated the Americans as well... 'You don't understand the situation. We are anti-imperialists, anti-capitalists, communists,' they said. The Iraqis only kidnap American sympathizers, the enemies of the Americans have nothing to fear. Sgrena admits being an enemy of America. How can one be the enemy of America in a war in which Italy and America are on the same side and yet remain loyal to Italy? Wouldn't it have been treasonous for an American to work for the German conquest of Russia during WWII? Would such a traitor be able to claim, "Hey, I'm not against America's war with Germany. I just hope Germany defeats Russia." Further, Sgrena accuses her countries allied nation of war-crimes. If you read the insurgents version of why they fight against us it is because they believe the kind of propaganda produced by Sgrena and her left-wing media allies. The insurgents believe the coalition is intentionally killing civilians, raping Muslim women, torturing children, using napalm, and even nuclear weapons. If these things were true, then the people of Iraq would have a moral obligation to fight. Of course, bad things to happen in war--but nothing like what is described by Sgrena and her jihadi allies comes close to the reality of Iraq on the ground. Here is Sgrena describing the US assault on Fallujah: The massacre in Falluja continues . By massacre, Sgrena means the US invasion of the city, not the massacre of innocent civilians by terrorists. However, what were Sgrena's friends doing in Fallujah before the US Marines arrived? Here is an image taken by US Marines as part of a slide-show documenting war-crimes in Fallujah. Sgrena continues to repeat her allegations about war-crimes in Fallujah here: �We buried them, but we could not identify them because they were charred from the napalm bombs used by the Americans�. People from Saqlawiya village, near Falluja, told al Jazeera television, based in Qatar, that they helped bury 73 bodies of women and children completely charred, all in the same grave. The sad story of common graves, which started at Saddam�s times, is not yet finished. Nobody could confirm if napalm bombs have been used in Falluja, but other bodies found last year after the fierce battle at Baghdad airport were also completely charred and some thought of nuclear bombs. Wait, Sgrena knowingly repeats unverifiable accusations that the US has used napalm on civilians and even nuclear weapons? Those types of accusations are not just lousy or even bias reporting, they are calls to arms. This type of propaganda is exactly the type that Goebbels would produce to rouse the German people to war. Czech 'attrocities' against Germans in the Sudetenland or Polish 'massacres' against Deutchvolk in Danzig. The nature of her journalism is such that those fighting her Italian compatriots must have been pleased. In fact, they were. From al Jazeera: "She has very good contacts in Baghdad, including with the ulamas" [meaning the clerical leaders of the resistance] Another of Sgrena's rallying calls for the resistance: Fallujah is dying under the criminally indifferent gaze not only of the United States, but also of the Iraqi government, or at least the interim Prime Minister Allawi... If Italy is in Iraq to support America's criminal indifference, then doesn't that make Italy an accomplice in these criminal acts? The innevetable conclusion to Sgrena's chain of thought is that Italy is culpable in war-crimes and any insurgent is justified in taking up arms against Italian troops. In this paragraph Sgrena portrays those fighting in Fallujah as simple resistance fighters. It is the US that is portrayed as a terrorist force. More than that, the so-called resistance is cast in a romantically heroic light: A fire rain crashed over Falluja as soon as the curfew entered into force, at 6 p.m., sunset, after the Iftar breaks the Ramadan fast. At the same time, from the minaret of the mosque, the voice of the Imam tried to rise over the noise of the bombs to incite the mujahidin to the battle, which for Falluja will surely be the hardest since the beginning of the invasion.... The excuse of terrorists [meaning the US Marines] is the pretext to destroy the symbol of resistance [meaning Fallujah]. But who, really, were these brave 'resistance fighters' as Giuliana Sgrena would have you believe they were? If the image above was not enough, here are some accounts of what was found in that city, Sgrena's 'symbol of resistance'. USA Today: Iraqi troops have found "hostage slaughterhouses" in Fallujah where foreign captives were held and killed, the commander of Iraqi forces in the city said Wednesday. Troops found CDs and documents of people taken captive in houses in the northern part of Fallujah, Maj. Gen. Abdul Qader Mohammed Jassem Mohan told reporters. From SMH Australia: US troops have found three Iraqi hostages in the basement of houses in Falluja, handcuffed and starving, a marine officer said. "We have found Iraqi hostages in basements, handcuffed by their hands and ankles, starving, thirsty and tortured," said marine Major P.J. Batty, adding that three hostages in total had been found. But all of this could be attributed to the fact that Abu Musab al Zarqawi, the head of what was then known as Tawhid and Jihad but now known as al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, was based in Fallujah. But Sgrena's friends in Fallujah's Shura Council included Omar Hadid. From the Boston Globe: Hadid, an electrician who lived with his mother....Of the two, Hadid, thought to be in his early 30s, appears to have been the more influential, even though al-Janabi, in his 50s, headed the Mujahedeen Shura Council, which set up Islamic courts that meted out Islamic punishments, executed suspected spies and enforced a strict Islamic lifestyle. The Shura Council, which ruled Fallujah after the US was forced to withdraw, put posters up around the city which "listed religious infractions, such as women not covering their heads or men selling music, which would be met with death. " And from the San Jose Mercury News, another leader of Sgrena's resistance fighters in Fallujah: Sheik Zafir al-Ubaidi. A prominent Fallujah cleric, he provided religious guidance to the insurgents' council and issued religious edicts that were enforced with public floggings and, some Fallujah residents said, executions without trial. And while the resistance was busy executing any one they thought looked too 'Western', (for instance, note this woman who's body was found in Fallujah after its liberation from the jihadis. She had been beheaded, most likely because she had dyed her hair blonde), Sgrena international sympathy to their plight by claiming the residents of Fallujah were being massacred by the US! What may be most disgusting about her propaganda is the fact that her stories helped bolster the claims of the jihadis that large numbers of women were being held in Iraqi prisons and abused by the Coalition. It was on these claims that fellow Italian peace-nicks Simona Pari and Simona Torretta were held and that Briton Margaret Hassan was murdered by her terrorist captors. You will recall that one of their central demands was that "all women prisoners in Iraq be freed". Abu Musab al Zarqawi issued the same demand for the release of Kenneth Bigley and Jack Hensley. Hassan was first dressed up to resemble a prisoner in Abu Ghraib and then shot in the head. For Bigley and Hensley, the same garb was put on them before they were beheaded. The symbolism of their murder was clear. Here is Sgrena's interview with a woman alleging Coalition abuse: Once the Americans were in the apartment, they began to ransack the place, and then they arrested me.... On the way there they pointed out to me a man in a jellaba with a bag over his head, tied to a tree. It was my son. I recognised him by his trousers. They dragged him over to where I was and took the bag off his head. He had been horribly tortured, with deep cuts to his head. Then they said to him, 'Say goodbye to your mother.' After that, they put the bag back on his head and tied to him to a post again.... Then they turned up with the photos of my children. When I saw them, I began to weep, but they just yelled at me, "where's all that strength that Saddam gave you?" Then, throwing the photos on the ground, they shouted, "Say goodbye to your children. You'll not be seeing them for thirty years.".... Then they loaded me into a van, spread me out on the floor so nobody would see me, and drove me to the airport. There I was led into a big room where there was a doctor who wanted me to undress. I refused, saying that I was a Muslim and therefore couldn't do what he asked. Then he threatened to cut the clothes off me. I asked him if I could at least keep my underwear on and he agreed to that. In the end, however, he only checked my wrists.... There were times when they didn't give me any water or food at all. Then, from the neighbouring cells I could hear the screams of the men who were being tortured, sounds of weeping and screaming that were recorded and played back all night long full-blast... [Sgrena asks] Did you know of cases of rape? [Answer] 'Yes, but I'm not going to go into that. In our society, it's something you don't talk about.' [Sgrena asks] And what about children, how were they treated? [Answer] 'We heard them screaming. [The chiltren] were tortured too. Mostly dogs were set on them.' Imagine yourself an Iraqi civilian with limited contact with the Coalition. Your only contact is with troops as they patrol the streets or as you pass checkpoint. Now imagine that this is the type of media you are exposed to on a day to day basis. You believe it. Your imam asks you to join the mujahadin and fight the Zionist-Crusader forces that are in your country to rape your women and torture your children. What do you do? Of course the anser is obvious. You join the mujahadin to kill the Coalition forces. But not just Americans--Italians, Poles, Britons. They are all the men responsible for using nuclear weapons, dropping napalm on civilians, torturing children, and humiliating Muslim women. Giuliana Sgrena is responsible for her part of the lies which directly led to the deaths of coalition forces, Iraqi civilians, and western hostages. Her propaganda and treason should make us pause in believing the lies she continues to spout against the United States. The inconsistencies of her testimony regarding the tragic death of Nicola Calipari and how they just don't add up from what is known is documented here. As she today accuses the US of attempted assassination, we should remember that this is not the first time she has made such ludicrious statements. From an article she wrote for Die Ziet during the initial liberation of Baghdad: What we believed was impossible has happened. The Americans have not spared even the mythic Hotel Al-Rashid [where reporters were staying]. It was only scratched. Was that a mistake? Or was it supposed to be a message? Sgrena, it seems, actually believes her own rhetoric when she claims that 'The Americans are the biggest enemies of mankind'. Like the Nazi propagandist Goebbels before her who believed that behind all of mankinds ills stood a Jew, Sgrena believes that the world is threatened by a vast American conspiracy aimed at oppressing the world. Like Goebbels, Sgrena is not just a 'journalist', she is a propagandist for the enemy. Unlike Goebbels, though, who took his own life before facing the justice of Nuremburg, Sgrena returns to the land she betrayed a martyr and a hero. Let us hope the world community realizes the depths of her character before it is too late. |
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| Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Oh please, don't tell me you still think Saddam had WMDs and ties to Al Quaeda??? |
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| Originally posted by JM lol @ above comment. no, saddam is a fine lad. nope, not a terrorist at all. >JM< |
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| Originally posted by wolverine16 No one disputes he was a bad guy and a ruthless dictator, but what did that have to do with 9/11 or the war on terror? |
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| If we wentafterhimfor being a ruthless dictator, there's a laundry list of others that should've gone as well, some before Saddam. |
Saddam was not a terrorist, he was just a fucked up guy. Still, it was the US gouverment who supported him with guns and money.
Americans like to use people and when things go wrong those people become terrorists 
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| Originally posted by JM lol @ above comment. no, saddam is a fine lad. nope, not a terrorist at all. >JM< |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Well finally the truth is spilling out... >>Source<< I'd have to agree with some of the blogs out there; looking at the car one would think, boy, the military better send thier boys back to requalify if over 300 bullets were fired... another great blog on the situation... >>Source<< (I've left out the refering links, so just click on the source to see what they're refering to) |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley Fir3start3r...can you see any bullet holes in that car? |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Yea, but not in that particular picture. You'll find lots of bloggers with a couple other pics of the car. It definitely got hit, but it definitely wasn't the 300-400 rounds the journalist was going on about and there definitely wasn't even automatic weapons involved; more like a pistol(s?). Now tanks....bah....if tanks were involved as she claimed they must been in her head... |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley But its not just her that said that is it? The Americans claim they took out the engine...does that car look like it has had its engine blown out by machine gun fire as the American's claim? |
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Also, why has that car not appeared in any of the major newspapers or major news channels? |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r They did take out the engine block; thats standard protocol. It's actually the jounalist's claim that a hail of bullets came at her. Seriously, if a machine gun was used indiscriminately do we really think the car would look like that?? |
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