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Originally posted by Ory Bias.

Ferry Corsten definately didn't kill trance in fact he's probably one of its biggest contirbutors.

Load of tripe.

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Originally posted by Blue Balls ' '

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This kinda reminds me of that scene in Human Traffic where they are at the party in the club and System F - Out of The Blue is playing, and that one woman starts talking "I don't care what people say, its not like it used to be"

that was a fun movie, sure it was almost the rave version of "Hackers" but it still reflected what some people's experiences might have been like.

I think that ferry's sound and the stuff that emulated it has its own kind of charm to it, but at the same time I can understand why other kids say the things that they say about it.

I will never really know what this wonderful scene was like before napster, but I imagine that it was very different before the massive surge in popularity and the giant cash-in fest that many of us saw as the golden era of trance music.

Things just happen differently to different people, and its good to understand people who have different opinions.

Call it whatever you want, argue for whatever cause you believe in, the only thing that really matters in the end is that we can all meet at any given party and create an almost magical experience togher dancing and having fun, no matter where we come from, what sounds we prefer, or how we see what is happening.

seriously, if I ever meet any of you kids at a party in RL, no matter what we may have said to each other on here, I will be nice, we will have fun, maybe even get a little fucked up and do some dancing. Life is too short to be arguing like this, how about we go have some fun instead?

Ummmm Hell no!!!

Ferry did not kill Trance he is one the the Dj's that is keeping Trance alive!

If you want to see who killed Trance.. Look up Dj Sammy and Lasgo!

that guide was one of the cheesiest things I've ever seen and ferry is attracting more to trance not killing it. he's a pioneer of trance and has made some of the best tracks to date.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 This kinda reminds me of that scene in Human Traffic where they are at the party in the club and System F - Out of The Blue is playing, and that one woman starts talking "I don't care what people say, its not like it used to be" that was a fun movie, sure it was almost the rave version of "Hackers" but it still reflected what some people's experiences might have been like. I think that ferry's sound and the stuff that emulated it has its own kind of charm to it, but at the same time I can understand why other kids say the things that they say about it. I will never really know what this wonderful scene was like before napster, but I imagine that it was very different before the massive surge in popularity and the giant cash-in fest that many of us saw as the golden era of trance music. Things just happen differently to different people, and its good to understand people who have different opinions. Call it whatever you want, argue for whatever cause you believe in, the only thing that really matters in the end is that we can all meet at any given party and create an almost magical experience togher dancing and having fun, no matter where we come from, what sounds we prefer, or how we see what is happening. seriously, if I ever meet any of you kids at a party in RL, no matter what we may have said to each other on here, I will be nice, we will have fun, maybe even get a little fucked up and do some dancing. Life is too short to be arguing like this, how about we go have some fun instead?

Awesome post man, thats a great view on the whole thing, we ever meet, we'll get shitfaced.

If I could, I would strangle that little piece-of-shit Ishkur to death. He is one of the primary contributors to elitism in EDM. That **** deserves to die.

/vent

So sick of him.

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Originally posted by Ian^ Ishkur is a gimp who has brainwashed many a sheep without 2 braincells to rub together, Run along now, Ferry's doing great

LOL

If Ferry Corsten Killed Trance .....Y r we all here ? and Y is he worlds no 4 DJ ?

what does not evolve, dies (by definition)


plus i don't think you can say a music genre "died" since anyone who still likes it and thinks it has something to give, can listen to it - and create something similar to it (but by creating will have to make something new.. and make the genre evolve... otherwise can't be called "creation").


ah well it's quite funny, too see many people say "ay! we heard this kind of tracks dozens of times... make something new!", and those are often the same who say "pff... see what trance became.. it's not like in the past anymore.. changed to much". Not offending anyone, just noticing the little contradiction.


of course ferry created something new, fresh, that people liked (and still do)... he added some emotion, along with energy - and what would you love music for if it's not for emotion and energy.. he didn't force anyone to like his music style; and he didn't force any producer to follow him in his genre (melodic trance).

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 This kinda reminds me of that scene in Human Traffic where they are at the party in the club and System F - Out of The Blue is playing, and that one woman starts talking "I don't care what people say, its not like it used to be" that was a fun movie, sure it was almost the rave version of "Hackers" but it still reflected what some people's experiences might have been like. I think that ferry's sound and the stuff that emulated it has its own kind of charm to it, but at the same time I can understand why other kids say the things that they say about it. I will never really know what this wonderful scene was like before napster, but I imagine that it was very different before the massive surge in popularity and the giant cash-in fest that many of us saw as the golden era of trance music. Things just happen differently to different people, and its good to understand people who have different opinions. Call it whatever you want, argue for whatever cause you believe in, the only thing that really matters in the end is that we can all meet at any given party and create an almost magical experience togher dancing and having fun, no matter where we come from, what sounds we prefer, or how we see what is happening. seriously, if I ever meet any of you kids at a party in RL, no matter what we may have said to each other on here, I will be nice, we will have fun, maybe even get a little fucked up and do some dancing. Life is too short to be arguing like this, how about we go have some fun instead?

good man-agree

The guide is a joke, it was never supposed to be taken seriously.


All you ferry fans can stop crying now.

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Originally posted by George Kendall The guide is a joke, it was never supposed to be taken seriously. All you ferry fans can stop crying now.

Explain to me where and/or how the guide is a joke. I can see the Ferry Corsten comment as something to upset a few TA's but everything else is pretty accurate.


Prove me wrong. Seriosuly. Show me where the guide is wrong.

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Originally posted by George Kendall The guide is a joke, it was never supposed to be taken seriously. All you ferry fans can stop crying now.

yeah
mike foyle killed trance

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Originally posted by Blue Balls Explain to me where and/or how the guide is a joke. I can see the Ferry Corsten comment as something to upset a few TA's but everything else is pretty accurate. Prove me wrong. Seriosuly. Show me where the guide is wrong.

Read the disclaimer.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Read the disclaimer.

I did ( the disclamer is on his website too). He bascially said either you accept his definitions or you can fuck off.He never said the entire thing was a joke, just his understanding of music.



I think some of you are just pissed off at him because he poked holes at the bullshit dutch trance that alot of people here love.


Please show me how his definition of dutch trance is wrong. Or his definition of prog. Or his defintion of German TEchno. Or his definition of House ( classic) . Or his defintion of funky house. Or Stupid house. Or Synth Pop.


He is 100% correct in describing the genre and giving correct musical samples.


Prove me wrong by showing me where his definitions of the genre's are astray.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 If I could, I would strangle that little piece-of-shit Ishkur to death. He is one of the primary contributors to elitism in EDM. That **** deserves to die. /vent So sick of him.

What's wrong with Dutch trance anyway?
I like my country's trance, besides XTC and tulips one of our major exportproducts. That bullshitting on Dutch trance, it must be one of the reasons you came to TRANCEaddict in the first place, right?

Well, I became a TA because of German trance, but that's another topic.

Really, I don't mind an overzealous breakdown once or twice a night. However, there was a point during the Rank 1 copycat phase at the turn of the century where I'd go to a party and have breakdown after breakdown after breakdown after breakdown after... you get the idea. It just completely kills the flow of the night. If I wanted to just stand around listening to melodies, I'd rather go to a chill room and at least get comfy on a couch or cuddle puddle.

However, I don't really blame the producers (like the Corstens and whatnot) for this. After all, they just make the music. It's the bad DJs that play this stuff continously without any idea of good dancefloor flow that are to blame.

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Originally posted by nwopper What's wrong with Dutch trance anyway?

Read Ishkur definition of it. those are my thoughts exactly. He even gives you nice samples of songs.

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Originally posted by nwopper That bullshitting on Dutch trance, it must be one of the reasons you came to TRANCEaddict in the first place, right?

Maybe. but I now realize how stupid I was in actually listening to it. It takes awhile for people to understand the music and appericate its merits. After some time dutch trance became 'cheesy' to me. Kinda like the feeling I have towards Euro-Dance. When I first started listening to Euro Dance I also thought it was good but I soon know realize I was soo wrong. I might listen to a few tunes from the genres but it's no longer my taste.



Ishkur is 100% correct.

I killed ferry mmmmm k? trance is back can't u tell?

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Originally posted by Blue Balls Read Ishkur definition of it. those are my thoughts exactly. He even gives you nice samples of songs.

I never read something of Ishkur and take that as the truth. Ofcourse he has very good points, but the way how he talks to people, I don't like that additude (I have regularbased discussions with him on di.fm). There's nothing wrong with educating people about EDM, but to do that in a way and treat everyone like a bunch of retards, no.

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Maybe. but I now realize how stupid I was in actually listening to it. It takes awhile for people to understand the music and appericate its merits. After some time dutch trance became 'cheesy' to me. Kinda like the feeling I have towards Euro-Dance. When I first started listening to Euro Dance I also thought it was good but I soon know realize I was soo wrong. I might listen to a few tunes from the genres but it's no longer my taste. Ishkur is 100% correct.

I agree the supersawsound went cheesy one everyone, it got too mainstreamish. But the real classics never get boring. I don't feel ashamed listening to them and I still listen to them. The trance nowadays is boring me to death, in comparisation with the trance around 1998/99/00, so I am listening to them more than often, actually.

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Originally posted by Blue Balls Read Ishkur definition of it. those are my thoughts exactly.

Yes, your thoughts. I'm sorry, but opinion doesn't equal fact. If I was to say that yellow is a bad colour because it is too bright, that doesn't make me 100% correct. Nor does it give me the right to belittle the opinions of others in such an elitist show of disdain.

I could just as easily say "House is dead", "Rock is dead", "Techno is dead", if I preferred the way they once sounded. It doesn't necessarily mean that is the case...

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Originally posted by Ory Bias.

Hypocrisy.

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Originally posted by nwopper What's wrong with Trance anyway?

That the music managed to fester for a few years longer had nothing to do with its value or self-worth, but rather its pop accessibility. Audiences not keen on earlier trance in its bizarre, spacey, repetitive, unresponsive ethereal state could now enjoy it at the top40 level due to its easily memorable hooks and pop melodies. When that happened, there was the big rave explosion, in concert with the rise of Big Beat and French/club house. But the music itself was so shallow and unfulfilling that those who engorged themselves on it eventually grew tired when it lost its effect on them. Hence the "9 month raving career" paradigm.They simply burnt out and left. The only thing that kept it going, then, was the influx of newbies. More people were coming into the scene than going out of it, and this hyper-inflated the status of the DJs and the value of the music to ridiculous proportions. Like the dot-com bubble, any trend this flimsy was bound to come crashing down like a house of cards, as soon as it reached its saturation point.


That critical mass came in 2001. Much of the genre's elite fled, going instead to house or progressive or other, low-key scenes. The rest decided to go for bigger, fuller, more euphoric anthems. Like a drug, the emotional effect of last month's hit anthem keeps wearing off, so each track they release has to up the dosage to maintain the high and to keep the few remaining stragglers clinging to it.

People's tolerance for anthem trance is now extraordinarily high, which is why the big, overblown supersaw Dutch anthems have to keep getting bigger and more euphoric to maintain their interest. As you can guess, this simply cannot last, and the anthem trance producers are simply working on borrowed time.

I blame Oakenfold for all of this, the poster boy for the pop trance movement, the Emperor wearing no clothes thinking he's the shit, the DJ who can't mix pretending he's the best at it. He turned the scene into a fucking concert. Show up, watch the DJ, buy the CD. Consume, and go home. Be a passive spectator, instead of a participant. The DJ no longer exists for the scene, the scene now exists for the DJ. He is what matters. No one else.





-Source Ishkur



Soooo true ~~

BTW Tiesto is the new Oakenfold

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