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Originally posted by Jayx1 My car costs me $500 a month all in all (insurance, payments, gas)not inc repairs. I estimate to travel downton and back 5 times a week as well as do my daily chores it would cost me roughly $400 a month in transit fares. Thats $75 for the oakville transit. About $200 for GO trains and $98 for a TTC pass. Thats not including the times i would probably say "fuggit" and just take a cab. So for $100 more per month i have the convenience of short trip times, my own personal space, and something to show for my investment. Transit is just not worth it in many cases.

wow i cannot believe you just called a car an investment. insane...in no way is a car ever an investment, unless its a classic car, or if you will it can be considered the worste investment you will ever make.

and another thing, where is your parking fares in that $500 figure? cause i know parking is not cheap during the day in TO, like $30/day under my building.

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Originally posted by Orko wow i cannot believe you just called a car an investment. insane...in no way is a car ever an investment, unless its a classic car, or if you will it can be considered the worste investment you will ever make.

+1

A car is a deep dark endless money-sucking pit.

the strike won't happen.

I will be totally screwed - even though I live in the downtown area, but still I royally depend on TTC to get to and from work - and I refuse to walk home from work at 11:15pm!!!

I hope you are correct Arek - saying the TTC strike will NOT happen!

These lazy fucks are planning another strike?!? You've got to be fucking kidding me!! I make $15/hour and I work harder in 1 shift than any of these bastards do in a week...and they still want more money?!

Why can't the TTC use replacement workers like the NHL will do? Let these greedy bastards sit there and bitch.

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Originally posted by Dj EndgamE +1 A car is a deep dark endless money-sucking pit.

and the funniest thing is that im a huge huge car guy.

I have atleast 2 ferrari posters on each of my walls, every Road & Track dating back to Jan 2000, i was F1 live(never taped), and read about cars all the time.

but i know it sooo bad to have one. so i will hold on till i can truly afford one.

well thats bad , since they raised the prices of the fare, but either way, i think the transit system here is bad, take one bus, take another and another and subway, i wish they could make it easy to expand the TTC subway lines like other big citys.

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Originally posted by tha_broad Your so right about that starsearcher...I used to go to centennial and there is NO inbetween way. Its either all the way around via the 2 subways and a lrt and a bus, or it was an hour long bus ride from the yonge line and then some...the sheppard subway barely closed the gap between the yonge line and scarborough.

i used to goto centennial myself, i couldnt take the transit time from mississauga to scarbrough so i just quit.

i've got a metropass and it's a 10 min walk for me to Finch station, I go, sit on the train, and read my book - then a 30Min ride straight to the bottom of my building.. Compared to my car which would cost $20/per day for parking? I do have a car which I drive only on weekends, or when i'm going out and will stay later then subway will be open. Just the parking cost is enough for me to not bother. Forget about the traffic, the environment, and ensuing road rage!!

And people wonder why more people don't use public transportation. How can you depend on an industry that's on strike at least once a year? These people have some of the cushiest jobs in the world.

To be fair, I'm not about to blame the drivers themselves. It's been a while since the unions in any part of Canada actually represented their members.

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Originally posted by MarkT + insurance, + gas, + regular maintenance, + unforseen repairs, + plate stickers, etc

The $500 included insurance, gas, oil changes but not repairs. Considering my car is brand new i shouldnt have to worry about that for awhile anyways. Besides, for a little bit more money i save much more time. And since time is money, let's say $20 an hour, that adds up quickly as well.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe i've got a metropass and it's a 10 min walk for me to Finch station, I go, sit on the train, and read my book - then a 30Min ride straight to the bottom of my building.. Compared to my car which would cost $20/per day for parking? I do have a car which I drive only on weekends, or when i'm going out and will stay later then subway will be open. Just the parking cost is enough for me to not bother. Forget about the traffic, the environment, and ensuing road rage!!

well your looking yor on a subway line
subway lines are fast
its waiting for buses and connecting buses that kill you
you ever notice while waiting for a bus three or so going by the other way

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Originally posted by Carney well your looking yor on a subway line subway lines are fast its waiting for buses and connecting buses that kill you you ever notice while waiting for a bus three or so going by the other way

in all honesty the proximity to the main subway line effected where I chose to live. I just simply won't live somewhere that's a distance away.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe in all honesty the proximity to the main subway line effected where I chose to live. I just simply won't live somewhere that's a distance away.

That makes sense, but it's hardly a valid option for everyone, considering that so many take the TTC because they can't afford the car (so obviously they can't afford to pick and choose where to live).

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Originally posted by DigiNut That makes sense, but it's hardly a valid option for everyone, considering that so many take the TTC because they can't afford the car (so obviously they can't afford to pick and choose where to live).

I really wasn't generalizing about everyone, heh, (since you don't live close to the main subway line your shit out of luck), no that's not what I meant. It was in response to a comment that I assumed was soley towards me.

I'm sure there are some who simply cannot afford that option of living nearby to a station.

EDIT: not just afford, but matter of circumstance, and so on and so on.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe

common no need for roll eyes, a very good friend of mine works for the ttc for over 15 years, he's been a driver, but two years ago he decided to switch to supervisor only to get out of the union, which isn't exactly fair, yep supervisors are not under the same protection they can get fired.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 The $500 included insurance, gas, oil changes but not repairs. Considering my car is brand new i shouldnt have to worry about that for awhile anyways. Besides, for a little bit more money i save much more time. And since time is money, let's say $20 an hour, that adds up quickly as well.

I see what you're saying...but very few people, even with new cars, have other costs...you just don't consciously account for them (like your plate sticker). Factor in routine maintenance (other than oil changes), (hopefully) a set of winter tires, etc...nevermind unforseen non-warranty repair items...parking if you come downtown...get into an accident and there's insurance deducitbles, etc.

ie. adding up insurance + payments + gas is going to be low for the majority of people, while a Metropass is your only cost PERIOD.

(I'm buying a car despite living DT...I'm not arguing that it's not WAY more convenient...just that it's more expensive for most people than is being suggested)

ideally there's going to be some integration in the near future between GO, TTC and surrounding transit providers...as the example you provide of paying Oakville transit, GO and TTC is a ridiculous obstacle to getting people to use transit vs driving.

but...I won't hold my breath on that integration coming terribly soon That's a *perfect* example where the various levels of gov't should be stepping up with subsidies...ie. you buy an Oakville Pass, Go Pass and TTC pass and you get a big discount or rebate.

This is what i require for me to abandon my car and take transit.

No more than 30% extra time to get where i want to go AT ANY TIME OF DAY OR NIGHT. Half the cost of my car... id be willing to pay $150 or so a month for transit if it worked well. Seamless transit systems. Its pathetic that you have to change busses just because you are entering mississauga. Until these things are acheived i will be using my car no matter how many highways you tear down.

And what i suggest isnt unreasonable. It's how most of the world gets around.

I live at the very end of the bus route on Islington, so to get downtown it's about 15+ minutes to get to the station, then another 40 to get to Dundas station, for example. The buses are rarely on time here by my house, especially during the day. Sundays they're pretty punctual, but I wish they did a better job of getting here on time from 10am-3pm.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 This is what i require for me to abandon my car and take transit. No more than 30% extra time to get where i want to go AT ANY TIME OF DAY OR NIGHT. Half the cost of my car... id be willing to pay $150 or so a month for transit if it worked well. Seamless transit systems. Its pathetic that you have to change busses just because you are entering mississauga. Until these things are acheived i will be using my car no matter how many highways you tear down. And what i suggest isnt unreasonable. It's how most of the world gets around.

Yea...where I'm from, Warsaw, the transportation system is heavily based around buses and streetcars. When someone is using it for the first time then it may seem really intimidating but after you get used to it it's actually a very well thought-out system. You have numerous ways to get to one destination, so if you miss one bus there's always a different route to take. You're never really stranded at the stop for 30 minutes waiting for the next bus just because the driver took off a minute early.

Also, the connections are thoughtout much better. Going into the downtown core from a suburb is very well thoughtout. You usually have one bus that takes you more into the city; at which point you get off and within 10 minutes you have about 5-6 different buses coming by. Works very well.

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Originally posted by djeso common no need for roll eyes, a very good friend of mine works for the ttc for over 15 years, he's been a driver, but two years ago he decided to switch to supervisor only to get out of the union, which isn't exactly fair, yep supervisors are not under the same protection they can get fired.

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Originally posted by MarkT I see what you're saying...but very few people, even with new cars, have other costs...you just don't consciously account for them (like your plate sticker). Factor in routine maintenance (other than oil changes), (hopefully) a set of winter tires, etc...nevermind unforseen non-warranty repair items...parking if you come downtown...get into an accident and there's insurance deducitbles, etc. ie. adding up insurance + payments + gas is going to be low for the majority of people, while a Metropass is your only cost PERIOD. (I'm buying a car despite living DT...I'm not arguing that it's not WAY more convenient...just that it's more expensive for most people than is being suggested)

This is all true, but as Jay said, time is money and that's something all too commonly left out of the TTC vs. car discussion. If you make $20 an hour and you waste on average an hour a day on surface transport (subways are another story but they only cover a tiny fraction of the GTA), that'll add up to about $5000 a year. I'd say it pretty much takes care of those other car maintenance things you're talking about.

I'm not saying that it isn't far less expensive to use the TTC than to own a car. I'm just saying that personal finance involves more than just cold hard up-front cash, and a lot of people overstate the financial advantage of taking the TTC because they have a poor understanding of economics. Wasted time may not be "real" money, but I'm sure that you're well aware of the concept of opportunity cost and so is everyone else who knows the first thing about business.

Now, if you know that you're a couch potato who won't do anything with that extra time, then sure, the financial incentive for taking the TTC is huge. But as for me, I honestly don't think I could live my life at all having to waste 2+ hours getting to and from work every day, let alone live comfortably.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe

Lol Evil Beh

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Originally posted by DigiNut But as for me, I honestly don't think I could live my life at all having to waste 2+ hours getting to and from work every day, let alone live comfortably.

Tell that to the thousands who do it everyday sitting in traffic fighting gridlock as they try to get to and from work. The opportunity cost of living in Toronto is a moot point for many. I assume they simply force themselves to deal with it to "live comfortably".

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Originally posted by Tunnel Rat Tell that to the thousands who do it everyday sitting in traffic fighting gridlock as they try to get to and from work. The opportunity cost of living in Toronto is a moot point for many. I assume they simply force themselves to deal with it to "live comfortably".

Anybody who spends 2 hours in gridlock wouldn't make it to and from work at all if they had to take public transit. That is why we need better roads and expressways, or a major expansion of FAST public transport - NOT having our existing expressways torn down without any practical replacement in a petty environmentalist agenda to force people off the roads.

People don't live in the GTA because they willingly accept the opportunity cost, they live here because there's no industry anywhere else.

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Originally posted by djeso common no need for roll eyes, a very good friend of mine works for the ttc for over 15 years, he's been a driver, but two years ago he decided to switch to supervisor only to get out of the union, which isn't exactly fair, yep supervisors are not under the same protection they can get fired.

Thats why I am goin to stay in the union...There are postings for "Foreperson(s)" and I could proly get a job as one BUT when the shit hits the fan and you're at the bottom of the totem pole...you're the FIRST to go

A lil tidbit I wanna share with you guys that happened throughout the TTC a few weeks ago...there we're a total of approx. 200 non-union staff that we're "disciplined" for improper use of Emails on TTC computers.Apparently these Emails varied from crude jokes to innocent messages sent to family members...There was a ZERO policy that came down from the top.The discipline varied from verbal warnings to 3 day unpayed suspensions.Now this didn't involve unionized emplyees because we have no reason to use TTC computers for whatever job we do.

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