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Originally posted by BOOM ZIG BOOM!! And Yes punisher I'm in highschool, grade 10. How about yourself?

I'm a senior in college. It looks as though you need a course in basic grammar before you even try to graduate from high school.

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean Anyways just because someone takes the pope or the bible to the extreme dosent make him more catholic than anyone else. Thats just a dumbfuck comment.

No, sorry. The dumbfuck comment comes from you this time around. There is a huge difference between calling yourself something and actually believing in it.

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: interesting that you talk about little hitler's. the national socialist regime had some of those exact views as you just stated there. are u a proponent for euthanasia and assisted-suicide? hitler certainly was. yes, help the gene pool and lets put evolution into motion. natural selection. the weak die, and the strong survive. i certainly agree with you that she should have died back in 1990. she's unnaturally being kept alive. maybe if they followed "God's Will" and just have let her die a natural death. all this would have never happened.

Congratulations. You just completely contradicted yourself.

Oh, and to conclude that I support euthanasia is fine... because I do support it in cases where the person made it clear at some point in time that they would not want to be kept alive under circumstances that prevent them from enjoying life. According to Schiavo's husband, who has the legal right to make the decision, this is the case in her situation. Euthanasia can only be considered murder when the person has, at some point, expressed their wish to remain living even if that means that they need to be on some kind of life support to do so.

As far as assisted suicide... I find your comment laughable. There's a big difference between someone asking to die and someone who is brain damaged to the point that they are hardly conscious of the fact that they are alive. Schiavo's parents claim that she responds to them. That's a load of tripe. Her brain is severely damaged. She can't feed herself. She can barely move. She can't talk. She has no control over her own body. There is nothing "assisted", here. She's going to die because she can't survive on her own. No one is helping the process along. If anything, her doctors were simply prolonging the inevitable end that she would have met if things went according to "God's plan" in the first place. (Intervening in "His" plan is contradictory to begin with.)

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Originally posted by Orbax see how angry you are sober? you need to just believe me dude

Give it up, already, man. I'm not pulling another binge with you.

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Originally posted by Hedron I wouldn't call myself pro-life but when you have girls using abortion as a form of birth control there needs to be more restrictions on it ... I know it's easier said than done ... but abortion is murder that is a plain and simple undeniable fact ... there is a such thing as adoption, there are plenty of sterile childless couples that are desperate to have babies ... and the bottom line is if you're not ready to have a kid then don't have sex

I don't disagree with you on the issue of not having sex if you aren't ready to have a child. I do, however, disagree with you on the issue of abortion being murder. A fetus is physically a part of the mother right up until the point at which the child is born. It is entirely dependent on the mother's survival. Therefore, you cannot define it as murder. I will be honest in stating that I can't think of a better way to define it... but it's certainly not murder.

This, however, does not mean that I agree with abortion. On the contrary, I am of the opinion that I do not have a say in the matter because I do not have a uterus.

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Originally posted by Lira The reason why you're so mad at the Christian view is probably because you seem to be as extreme in your position as they are. Keep in mind that it's your belief that she's allowed to die. You're as limited as any human being, so you can't place yourself as the owner of the truth. I do agree with you that keeping her alive is cruel but certainly, our opinion on that is, to say the least, superfluous.

Superfluous or not, you cannot defend keeping her alive based on religious principle because there is no mention of life support in the Bible. Therefore, it is a MORAL DECISION, not a religious one. Of course, you could argue that your morals are based on your religion, but then you would also have to present a definition of murder based on your religion. No one is murdering Schiavo. She is dying because she cannot survive without a feeding tube. Therefore, she is dying on her own. That's death, not murder.

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Originally posted by Lira Easy now. First of all, the first point doesn't follow any sense of logic, in fact, it is an ad hominem type of fallacy. Second of all, sure women have the right to do what they feel better for their body. But, until the last time I've checked, I'm not part of my mother, thankfully.

Oh, but you WERE a part of your mother... for nine whole months! You couldn't have survived on your own as a fetus. Therefore, you were part of your mother. Deductive reasoning.

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Originally posted by Lira Finally, if you support abortion, that's once again a belief of yours. If the majority (or most powerful people) in your country disagree with you, well, tough luck.

A majority of people in my country can't possibly disagree with me because I refuse to take a stance one way or the other. I can see where pro-life supporters make valid points and I can see where pro-choice supporters make valid points. Once again, I don't have a uterus, so I don't feel like I have a say in the matter. That's not what this thread is about, anyway. This thread is about my anger at people who try to force their views on other people when they aren't even their views. People look to their religion for answers instead of trying to come up with intelligent answers of their own.

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Originally posted by Lira Even though I do support gay union as well, I cannot demand a similar opinion from those who believe it's wrong because they're allowed to have an opinion as well. Like I said before, if they happen to rule your country, remember life is not the way we want anyway.

Whether it's moral and whether it's legal are two entirely separate issues in the case of gay marriage. Take the United States, for example. As a nation, we have chosen to recognize people of color and give them rights legally equal to those of everyone else. As a nation, we have chosen to recognize men and women as equals and subsequently given women more legal rights. As a nation, we have even chosen to recognize that not all people have the same sexual preference.

Where are their rights, now?

Oh, shit. Glaring contradiction, anyone?

When it's all said and done... what it comes down to is this...

Without religion, everyone would be equal. Every war, every legal decision, every national debate that we have EVER had has some root in religion.

Think about that for a minute.

Re: Catholics and their endless line of bull**** aggravate the **** out of me.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher I have been living with him for two years.

pfft. gaylord.

just pointing out something to you mr angst I hate everybody in the world

some retarded people have major brain damage cant communicate correctly and cant feed themselves or take care of themselves do you think we should kill them?

Now that I think about it, Christ said that St. Paul (Peter?) would be the representative of God on Earth, and that his word would be followed by God, and so the guy became the Pope. But I'm not sure that clause applies to all the Popes after him.

And I'm a roman Catholic, and i don't agree with some of Vatican's policies. But until the Vatican excomunicates me, I'm still a Catholic. That's the way it works in that religion.

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Originally posted by johnyiscool just pointing out something to you mr angst I hate everybody in the world some retarded people have major brain damage cant communicate correctly and cant feed themselves or take care of themselves do you think we should kill them?

Angst? Angst is a feeling of anxiety or apprehension often accompanied by depression. I'm not experiencing anxiety. I'm not apprehensive about anything. I'm certainly not depressed. You should learn what a word means before you try to use it as an insult.

As far as hating everybody in the world, I don't hate people. Rather, I hate their viewpoints.

Oh, and unless you're going to learn to read and go back through this thread before commenting, I'm not going to address your comments about whether or not we should "kill" anyone. You obviously haven't paid any attention to this thread or anything that has been said in it, so just shut your face. Thanks.

im not gonna waste my valuable time going throught a thousand posts of doo being flung


if you just hate your viewpoints why do you make it personal

do you think if you act like this youll get more friends?

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Originally posted by Cal Now that I think about it, Christ said that St. Paul (Peter?) would be the representative of God on Earth, and that his word would be followed by God, and so the guy became the Pope. But I'm not sure that clause applies to all the Popes after him. And I'm a roman Catholic, and i don't agree with some of Vatican's policies. But until the Vatican excomunicates me, I'm still a Catholic. That's the way it works in that religion.

I'm not sure, either, but from what I've been told by other Catholics... any man who assumes the role of Pope is the direct connection between Catholics and God. (Funny that only a man can be the Pope, eh? Same goes for priests.)

As far as not being excommunicated, I wasn't trying to imply that at all, honestly. I was more pointing toward the fact that many Catholics will simply refuse to acknowledge someone as Catholic if they know that they do not follow the Vatican's policies. It sounds ridiculous, but I've experienced it first-hand on several occasions. It boggles my mind, really.

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Originally posted by johnyiscool im not gonna waste my valuable time going throught a thousand posts of doo being flung

Then you need not post. You can't contribute anything meaningful to the conversation if you don't know what's been discussed, already. It's like jumping in on the middle of a Alcoholics Anonymous meeting and yelling out, "Heading to the bars! Who's with me?!"

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Originally posted by johnyiscool if you just hate your viewpoints why do you make it personal do you think if you act like this youll get more friends?

Schoolyard logic at its finest. The Internet is not for making friends, my boy.

And you can't discuss religion without it becoming personal, because religion is inherently personal. What were you even thinking when you said that?

I honestly don't think your problem is with Catholics.

everything in life can be made persoanl

but you calling a guy a name makes ity even more than personal

internet should be connected to daily life if your willing to do or say something on the internet that you wouldnt say in real life you need to reevaluate yourself

now about looking at the whole thread

it would probably lower my iq reading a bunch of stuff from people who are biased on everyside..

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Originally posted by johnyiscool everything in life can be made persoanl but you calling a guy a name makes ity even more than personal internet should be connected to daily life if your willing to do or say something on the internet that you wouldnt say in real life you need to reevaluate yourself

The Internet being connected to your daily life is definitely something worthy of analysis. That's called addiction.

I would say anything (and have said most things) in real life that I would say on the Internet. No questions asked.

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Originally posted by johnyiscool now about looking at the whole thread it would probably lower my iq reading a bunch of stuff from people who are biased on everyside..

It would probably lower your IQ to keep posting, actually. Your brain cells seem to be less active with each successive attempt to fire back at me.

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Originally posted by flavdave I honestly don't think your problem is with Catholics.

You're absolutely right. I have a problem with Catholics, yes, but I have a much bigger problem with the society that they are attempting to gain control of.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher No, sorry. The dumbfuck comment comes from you this time around. There is a huge difference between calling yourself something and actually believing in it.

obvious, and your point is?.

If i dont believe in Jesus im not a christian correct?

If i dont believe in Jesus im probably not a catholic either, correct?


would i be a catholic if i didnt believe in a certain passage of the bible? well..lets see, hypothetical situation: baby is born, catholic parents, baptized in catholic church, first communion, confirmation, oh but wait, he/she dosent agree with Genesis in the bible. So he/she decides to tell the catholic priest why he/she dosent agree. Do you think the priest would kick him out of church, tell him hes not catholic, and solicit excommunication OR give him his view about it and tell him to make up his own mind? If he does the first,then yes, he would not be a catholic since His/Her LABEL as a catholic would be removed. If he does the second He/She is still considered a catholic if he/she believes he/she is a catholic.

well then your gonna have problems finding friends

and that really defeats a purpose for life for anyone who doesnt beleive in God ...

I never attacked you I just wanted to ask you some questions but your total disregard for respect has once again turned one possible friend into just another enemy

may you live long and prosper

oh and my master has first claims to your soul when you die remember that pls

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher You're absolutely right. I have a problem with Catholics, yes, but I have a much bigger problem with the society that they are attempting to gain control of.

Again, I don't think you are talking about Catholics, but more along the lines of fundamentalists like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who are not Catholic. Our country is not ruled by Catholics, it is ruled in large part by WASPs (White Anglo Saxon Protestants)

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean obvious, and your point is?. If i dont believe in Jesus im not a christian correct? If i dont believe in Jesus im probably not a catholic either, correct? would i be a catholic if i didnt believe in a certain passage of the bible? well..lets see, hypothetical situation: baby is born, catholic parents, baptized in catholic church, first communion, confirmation, oh but wait, he/she dosent agree with Genesis in the bible. So he/she decides to tell the catholic priest why he/she dosent agree. Do you think the priest would kick him out of church, tell him hes not catholic, and solicit excommunication OR give him his view about it and tell him to make up his own mind? If he does the first,then yes, he would not be a catholic since His/Her LABEL as a catholic would be removed. If he does the second He/She is still considered a catholic if he/she believes he/she is a catholic.

dude
there is no point in arguing with him, he already has pre conceived notion of what he believes. you are not going to convince him otherwise.

man.. this thread is WIGGITY WIGGITY WIGGITY WHACK

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I don't disagree with you on the issue of not having sex if you aren't ready to have a child. I do, however, disagree with you on the issue of abortion being murder. A fetus is physically a part of the mother right up until the point at which the child is born. It is entirely dependent on the mother's survival. Therefore, you cannot define it as murder. I will be honest in stating that I can't think of a better way to define it... but it's certainly not murder.

aren't you glad your mother didn't kill you then? At one point you were a fetus.

After the baby is born it is still entirely dependant on the mother to survive, are you suggesting it's perfectly ok to kill a newborn baby?

I defy you to find one woman who has been through pregnancy to tell me that what was inside of her wasn't a sentient being.

That was the BEST post I have read on TA....




EVER.

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Originally posted by Hedron aren't you glad your mother didn't kill you then? At one point you were a fetus. After the baby is born it is still entirely dependant on the mother to survive

No it's not.

I was brought up by quite a strict catholic family, but at 16 I fucked all that religion off, its stupid and is the biggest cause of trouble in the world. Whats the fucking point???

punisher seems to think he's superior to every1 else on this board and only his opinions matter. every time some1 makes a valid point, sure he'll argue his case but in a cocky way.

what makes your religious viewpoints so fukin special punisher?

actually dont even answer that because i dont care - to each their own.

what i will say to you is:

RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE OR STFU

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher Superfluous or not, you cannot defend keeping her alive based on religious principle because there is no mention of life support in the Bible. Therefore, it is a MORAL DECISION, not a religious one. Of course, you could argue that your morals are based on your religion, but then you would also have to present a definition of murder based on your religion. No one is murdering Schiavo. She is dying because she cannot survive without a feeding tube. Therefore, she is dying on her own. That's death, not murder. Oh, but you WERE a part of your mother... for nine whole months! You couldn't have survived on your own as a fetus. Therefore, you were part of your mother. Deductive reasoning.

Both cases are quite similar, and debating over this issue in this thread's no use, as I reckon this is not the main point. However, if you read your reply again, you will see that this is, nothing but your opinion which has some reasoning.

However, others don't necessarily share the same thought you do. They do have their own reasoning as well, but the difference in key points leads to these disagreements. Being irate won't convince anyone that their opinion might be wrong, but will rather make them defend their views more fiercely.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher A majority of people in my country can't possibly disagree with me because I refuse to take a stance one way or the other. I can see where pro-life supporters make valid points and I can see where pro-choice supporters make valid points. Once again, I don't have a uterus, so I don't feel like I have a say in the matter. That's not what this thread is about, anyway. This thread is about my anger at people who try to force their views on other people when they aren't even their views. People look to their religion for answers instead of trying to come up with intelligent answers of their own.

Fair enough than, I'm focusing in your two last sentences then.

First of all, it is their view. We all get our views out of something. Just because they share/acquired the same view from a book, it is not a reason not to validate their thought. They do think that way, full stop. Probably you got your view from the mentality that arose from the French Revolution, of individual freedom and whatnot. You may even have elaborated your thought from what you've read, comparing to other sources, but so have they (or some of them).

Therefore, your point would probably fall here. It's their view, and they're trying to force it on others, which seems to be quite similar to your anger. I can't say more about it because, as we know, I'm not you

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher Whether it's moral and whether it's legal are two entirely separate issues in the case of gay marriage. Take the United States, for example. As a nation, we have chosen to recognize people of color and give them rights legally equal to those of everyone else. As a nation, we have chosen to recognize men and women as equals and subsequently given women more legal rights. As a nation, we have even chosen to recognize that not all people have the same sexual preference. Where are their rights, now? Oh, shit. Glaring contradiction, anyone? When it's all said and done... what it comes down to is this...

Life's full of contradictions, and that's one of them. We could work on that as well, if you want.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher Without religion, everyone would be equal. Every war, every legal decision, every national debate that we have EVER had has some root in religion.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. First of all, we're not all equal. That's the thought that emerged in modern times in Europe and has shaped contemporary European culture (I'm using "Europe" as an umbrella term for both the old continent and its former colonies, so the both of us would be Europeans in this broader sense). Not only there's hierarchy, but we're in completely different enviroments. The same laws shouldn't be applied to both of us, for example.

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Originally posted by Cal But until the Vatican excomunicates me, I'm still a Catholic.

lol

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