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Originally posted by Skuce My "faith" is common sense, education and logic. You won't ever find me sitting there "accepting" anything because "God made it that way" "Why is the Sky Blue? Cause God made it that way and it's not for us to question God" To me...that is accepting being passive and not growing on your own two feet and being responsible.I question everything...and I always will. Organiazed religion is just a way to cop out of understanding and accepting ignorance and fear. I'll pass on that thank you very much. I will be asking the question "Why" till the day I kick the bucket (and probably even that won't get me to shut up lol) +1 for the Atheist list

i like the way u think man! cheers mate!!

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Originally posted by bass drive ya I know. well imo, alot of relgion these days is modified for personal interest. I am not that religious really (well I am in concept), but I'd probably be labeled as sinner by the hardcore followers

see and thats also whut i dont like... the way u are often judge, tho i dont mean to imply all religious ppl do this...

its like, you KNOW u believe in god, u just feel it in ur soul or whutever, but if u dont conform to some of the hardcore traditional ways of ur elders for example, ur considered a sinner or obviously u dont believe in god properly or some other bs...

i mean, i know alot of ppl that believe but dont follow the bible to a tee bc even they say alot of it is just "guidance" and not hardcore steadfast static rules... and alot of those guidances were more applicable years ago when the bible was originally written...different times

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot You misunderstood... I mean that the children of Shintos and Hindus are not CATHOLIC!

duh...they are shintos and hindus.....

i still dont see what ur point is.....are u being anti catholic? cos hinduism IS a religion and infact they belive in the presence of sometihng like 250 different gods....

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Originally posted by PartEgurl 100% athiest. I say "oh my god" several times a day. It is embedded in my vocabulary, and I just like saying it. I also say Armin is god. Both of these sayings are in different context to the actual "God" that so many people are brainwashed into believing in !! I am thankful that somone created this big fat magical story they call The Bible, because it has left us with some seriously amazing art and architecture !! It also gives us good frday off so we can party at Decadence every year.

Hehehehe, i need to get to know you better girl ... i find your way of thinking refreshing and very much like my own! cheers to you PartEgurl

esp. ur comment about when u drop the "god" word... i find many religious sayings very colourfull and love dropping them

i say "for the love of jesus" or "whut in the name allah" , etc. etc. very frequently... just sounds cool and is very interesting speak!

Like DJ Elyot said, I think I'm mostly agnostic, just because its difficult to forget everything that you've been brought up with. It confusing sometimes, because you feel like you should think about a certain issue one way and you are on the opposite end of the spectrum... like with the whole gay marriage thing. Also, with the Pope dying this afternoon, i know i'm suppost to feel some emotion for it... but, honestly, I really don't. It's weird. Anyway, i'm not an atheist because basicly, i need an adjustment phase. At this point in my life, I have learned to logically think though my beliefs not just take them for granted because that's what someone told me when I wasn't old enough to understand what logic was. So, yeah, add me to the list.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot And c'mon man... update that list!

Done and . . . DONE!

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I love how all these Athiests here act like any who believes in a higher power is automatically labelled an ignorant, naive, brain-washed and simple-minded individuals What a fucking joke! I'm agnostic, but please don't add me to the list. I'd rather be caught with my hand in my pants than be associated with such arrogance

No worries, ill leave ya off it mate! cheers

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot It's all about tolerance, man. It's not as if people can't be friends if they have different beliefs. How many conservatives do you know with liberal friends, and vice versa? They probably think that people of different political opinions are stupid, ignorant, brain-washed, etc, but it doesn't mean they have less respect or don't want to be friends. And with respect to brain-washing, yes, most religions perpetuate themselves by indoctrination. Why are the children of Catholics more likely to be Catholic than the children of Shintos or Hindus? The minds of children are much, much, much more easy to convince of beliefs founded upon faulty logic than adults are. Kids are gullible... that's why you can convince them of the existance of Santa Claus. When you try to convince them of the existance of God, they're more likely to believe you than adults are, and are more likely to adopt those same beliefs and carry them into adulthood. Of course, most religious families indoctrinate their children into believing in God much more deeply than they do about Santa Claus, so the belief is harder to dispel. Santa Claus gets focused on once per year; many religious parents force their kids to pray every day and send them to some kind of service once a week, so they're constantly exposed to it. It's just very difficult for people to abandon those kind of beliefs when they're so deeply ingrained in their lives. There are very few people who grow up as Atheists and become religious later in life. A far greater number of people grow up in a religious home and decide to become Atheist or Agnostic later in life.

While I can't really argue with any of your points cause you're right on most of them, I've noticed that many, many Athiests have a very elitist attitude. Believe what you want, I say, but please don't insult me or my beliefs in the process. And that goes for anyone. Christian, Athiest, Muslim, etc.

Comparing this to politics though, I dunno about that. My main beef with all these political heads is they're too caught up trying oh so hard to be on ONE side, which I think is bullshit. Just like Chris Rock said, listen to the topic at hand, and THEN form your own opinion about it.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar Hehehehe, i need to get to know you better girl ... i find your way of thinking refreshing and very much like my own! cheers to you PartEgurl esp. ur comment about when u drop the "god" word... i find many religious sayings very colourfull and love dropping them i say "for the love of jesus" or "whut in the name allah" , etc. etc. very frequently... just sounds cool and is very interesting speak!

true catholics dont use such phrases as its considered using the Lord's name in vain (ie disrespect) so have all the fun u want saying those phrases...its quite alright

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee duh...they are shintos and hindus..... i still dont see what ur point is.....are u being anti catholic? cos hinduism IS a religion and infact they belive in the presence of sometihng like 250 different gods....

Reread my post... I edited it.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Just like Chris Rock said, listen to the topic at hand, and THEN form your own opinion about it.

^^^ Smart man.

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I've noticed that many, many Athiests have a very elitist attitude. Believe what you want, I say, but please don't insult me or my beliefs in the process. And that goes for anyone. Christian, Athiest, Muslim, etc. Comparing this to politics though, I dunno about that. My main beef with all these political heads is they're too caught up trying oh so hard to be on ONE side, which I think is bullshit.

Its oftentimes true, i have noticed this before w/ a few peps, not that it bothers me atall, i find it reassuring to find ppl who are vocal about their beliefs since i dont know that many myself, most my friends hold some kinda religion, tho they are extraordinarily passive followers. But even so, its so great to be around ppl once in a while that share whut u believe so intensely!

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH While I can't really argue with any of your points cause you're right on most of them, I've noticed that many, many Athiests have a very elitist attitude. Believe what you want, I say, but please don't insult me or my beliefs in the process. And that goes for anyone. Christian, Athiest, Muslim, etc. Comparing this to politics though, I dunno about that. My main beef with all these political heads is they're too caught up trying oh so hard to be on ONE side, which I think is bullshit. Just like Chris Rock said, listen to the topic at hand, and THEN form your own opinion about it.

I do agree with you that some uneducated atheists are a bit arrogant... but I have lots of religious friends... jews, bahai, muslim, christians, buddhist, etc. It doesn't bug me one bit. I do have my opinions, and I have lots of knowledge and arguments to back them up, but I don't hate on other people because of them. Leave my Atheism alone and I'll leave their Theism alone.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot Reread my post... I edited it.

fair enough, but i know of MANY people that converted from Hinduism, Buddism and even Islam, to the Catholic faith personally.

yes their parents were uber pissed about it because religion in a family tree is one of the common factors that binds the generations together.

for example, hindus celebrate Diwali (festival of lights) while christians dont.

Catholics celebrate christmas while muslims dont.

now should there be 2 members of the family, practicing 2 different faiths, there would be no reason for each one to celebrate the other's religion-inclined day(yea i couldnt think of a word to use).

so all im saying is, yes there is a need for parents to pass on faith.

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Originally posted by DJ_Bananie It confusing sometimes, because you feel like you should think about a certain issue one way and you are on the opposite end of the spectrum... like with the whole gay marriage thing.

What do you mean by that?

Do you mean like...you know that you should believe in one thing, but find yourself believing in another?

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To me, that is taking advantage of the child's immaturity because it is so much harder for them to change their beliefs later in life.

It's amazing how many ppl i've encountered and they have no reasoning in their beliefs. If you asked them why they believe in such a thing, they would say that that's what their religion tells them. But they first came about the religion from parents... it's just a set of beliefs that keeps getting passed down from one generation to the next, and maybe at first the teachings were relevant, but now none it makes sense and that's why more people are choosing to "become" atheist.

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee true catholics dont use such phrases as its considered using the Lord's name in vain (ie disrespect) so have all the fun u want saying those phrases...its quite alright

true true, my buddy's wife Missy gets VERY VERY upset w/ me when i say "jesus christ" or "for the love of christ" or anything. even something as small as "damn"... or "oh hell"

which i find VERY strange and VERY irritating to avoid (since i of course try not to offend her... it just causes more problems with hanging out w/ my best friend if im agitating his wife inadvertintly)

i mean, my parents are believers (well my dad believes but thinks the bible's all BS, a fairy tale someone wrote, he told me) but i mean ive always said "jesus" or "damn" or "christ", whutever, and never taken shit for it... they really dont care... and IMO exactly, whuts the big deal (obviously thats just my opinion tho)

but if i were to drop something on my foot or break something and i said "shit" or "fuck" around my parents, they course would get VERY upset and tell me not to swear, yada yada yada... so its very hard and strange for me to activley avoid around Missy saying such religious expressions which i use so prolifically in my everyday speech

~jem~

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Originally posted by DJ_Bananie It's amazing how many ppl i've encountered and they have no reasoning in their beliefs. If you asked them why they believe in such a thing, they would say that that's what their religion tells them. But they first came about the religion from parents... it's just a set of beliefs that keeps getting passed down from one generation to the next, and maybe at first the teachings were relevant, but now none it makes sense and that's why more people are choosing to "become" atheist.

the main reason for religion is to set guidlines for life and to believe in life after death.

i have questioned my faith several times myself but i still go to church every sunday, as thats the only time i actually find myself praying. reason why i go to church despite my questioning of faith? cos religion is based on belief and if u belive, u belong.

what i would really like ot know is....all of u who "cherish" atheism and condemn theist, waht exactly do u find ur purpose in life to be?? just a simple quetion....to elaborate on it, what exactly are u living for?

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot Leave my Atheism alone and I'll leave their Theism alone.

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What do you mean by that?

I was a catholic, and in that church, it is against the belief system to support homosexual marriages. But i'm personally a liberal person, and I believe that if two people are in love and they want to spend the rest of their lives together, then there should be nothing stoping them from getting married. Another example of this is the virgin Mary BS... yeah, right! I don't understand how i'm suppost to blindly believe that a virgin gave birth to a child. That's just imposible.

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee the main reason for religion is to set guidlines for life and to believe in life after death. i have questioned my faith several times myself but i still go to church every sunday, as thats the only time i actually find myself praying. reason why i go to church despite my questioning of faith? cos religion is based on belief and if u belive, u belong. what i would really like ot know is....all of u who "cherish" atheism and condemn theist, waht exactly do u find ur purpose in life to be?? just a simple quetion....to elaborate on it, what exactly are u living for?

there is no purpose in life. u were born, therefore u exist.

i dont see why ppl NEED a find a purpose in life for life to have meaning. u are alive now, so live ur life as much and as fully as u want, bc when ur dead ur dead and u no longer exist and cannot experice jack.

make of life u what u feel u wanna. i dont belief in any higher purpose to anything and i dont see why that concept is so dismal or downhearting to so many other ppl.

i just enjoy life as it hits me.

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Same goes for death. i guess the idea of living on in heaven or being reincarnated or whutever is a very nice way to look at things.. and gives ppl hope and whutever in life.

me, i dont believe in that stuff... once ur dead, ur dead. u nolonger are apart of ANYTHING... but i fall to see whut that scares ppl so much. it dont scare or bother me at all... its just the way it is and i dont see why that should be upsetting... and to worry about it doesnt even really make much sense to me since its not like ull regret it after the fact since ull be dead and hence its a moot point therefore.

dont interpret that as me not caring if i die, id like to of course keep on living and having fun w/ my friends and hearing blissfull music and all the other joys of life... i just meant the prospect of existing no longer once u die is not a terrifying or unsettling concept to me.

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Originally posted by DJ_Bananie I was a catholic, and in that church, it is against the belief system to support homosexual marriages. But i'm personally a liberal person, and I believe that if two people are in love and they want to spend the rest of their lives together, then there should be nothing stoping them from getting married. Another example of this is the virgin Mary BS... yeah, right! I don't understand how i'm suppost to blindly believe that a virgin gave birth to a child. That's just imposible.

I'm against gay marriage but it has nothing to do with me being brought up as a catholic. Actually...I'm more against them having kids. Let gays get married for all I care.

Oh, and you're not supposed to take the Bible literally.

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Originally posted by DJ_Bananie I was a catholic, and in that church, it is against the belief system to support homosexual marriages. But i'm personally a liberal person, and I believe that if two people are in love and they want to spend the rest of their lives together, then there should be nothing stoping them from getting married.

marriage is a bonding in faith between a man and a woman. it has been so since the begining of time.

the term marriage is considered sacred to our catholic faith since it is one of the 7 sacraments that are fulfilled during a person's life.

the main reason why catholics dont support gay "marriage" is because homosexuality itself is not accepted by our faith since woman was made to be man's companion for life.

If 2 people of the same sex really want to be together, then why dont they jsut practice common law?? its as good as being married....why get the whole religious ceremony?

anyway...im not getting into taht now as that is a totally different can of worms and ive spoken enough about it in this post

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee fair enough, but i know of MANY people that converted from Hinduism, Buddism and even Islam, to the Catholic faith personally. yes their parents were uber pissed about it because religion in a family tree is one of the common factors that binds the generations together. for example, hindus celebrate Diwali (festival of lights) while christians dont. Catholics celebrate christmas while muslims dont. now should there be 2 members of the family, practicing 2 different faiths, there would be no reason for each one to celebrate the other's religion-inclined day(yea i couldnt think of a word to use). so all im saying is, yes there is a need for parents to pass on faith.

I honestly don't have the sentiment to care about holidays in their holy sense. I give gifts and eat turkey at Christmas, but I don't pray, I don't celebrate Jesus, I don't go to church, and I don't sing Christmas carols. I hung out with my Bahai friend on Yamaha(sp?) and had dinner with him, but I didn't fast or pray or anything.

There's nothing wrong with deviating from tradition. If tradition brings knowledge and fun, then great (like Christmas and Easter... they can be lots of fun without any religious aspects to them), but I'm not going to fast during Ramadan or Lent or something just because tradition dictates that I should, and if my parents or family have a problem with that, then it's their problem.

Take the good; get rid of the bad; and enjoy life. You can always learn something from other cultures.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot I honestly don't have the sentiment to care about holidays in their holy sense. I give gifts and eat turkey at Christmas, but I don't pray, I don't celebrate Jesus, I don't go to church, and I don't sing Christmas carols. I hung out with my Bahai friend on Yamaha(sp?) and had dinner with him, but I didn't fast or pray or anything. There's nothing wrong with deviating from tradition. If tradition brings knowledge and fun, then great (like Christmas and Easter... they can be lots of fun without any religious aspects to them), but I'm not going to fast during Ramadan or Lent or something just because tradition dictates that I should, and if my parents or family have a problem with that, then it's their problem. Take the good; get rid of the bad; and enjoy life. You can always learn something from other cultures.

oh most definitely...u were born with freedom of opinion...but i guess what i tried to say is...the meaning behind any day of celebration is lacking if ur not of the faith and practicing it....so when theres lack in meaning on one side of the fence, then theres really no bond in a deeper sense of belonging....

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what i would really like ot know is....all of u who "cherish" atheism and condemn theist, waht exactly do u find ur purpose in life to be?? just a simple quetion....to elaborate on it, what exactly are u living for?

I'll admit that many of the basic ideals of religion is portrayed in Canadian Law, for example, it is both a "sin" and a crime to take someone's life. But this is only one of the first things you learn about in a Law History class. Religion is one of three major foundations of our laws today, so if i'm a law-abiding citezen, it shouldn't be that different then a person who is religious because of the morals value.

And in answer to your question: What are you living for? God? I'm living because I know that someday, i'm going to die. And there's really nothing I can do about it.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I'm against gay marriage but it has nothing to do with me being brought up as a catholic. Actually...I'm more against them having kids. Let gays get married for all I care.

I disagree with you there, with them not being able to raise kids, but i dont wanna turn this thread into a debate about that matter

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Oh, and you're not supposed to take the Bible literally.

Hehehehe, try telling that to some of the hardcore bible people down in NC in Rally/Durham where i was (read that as most of the ppl i encountered when down there). They'd flame you alive for speaking such words.

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