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Originally posted by christos again this whole discussion falls down to personal opinion. There isn't a set benchmark that things fall into to determine a good tune from a bad one. The listener makes up his or her mind based on what gives them the tingles. On that note, I think vocals are great and yes, they can sometimes make or break a tune. But I guess it's all about how it's done and whether it suits the listener(s) own musical taste etc.. Lovely. rock on!

EXACTLY, very well said!

Has anyone heard 'Girl Nobody - Cages (Lemon 8 Mix)' ? Love the vocals in that, not that you can really understand what shes saying completly..

As for male vocals 'Young Parisians ft. Ben Lost - Jump The Next Train' is by far still my fav. Also if you like that check out 'Ahead Mixed by Scott Bond', CD1's intro is just purely the lyrics that build up into the next track, relaxing stuff.

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Originally posted by pho mo Interstate - I Found U (original mix) This for me is a beautiful tune. Some may call it cheesey, but it's full of emotion and that's the shit right there. Without the vocals it wouldn't be nearly as good. Emotional content is also why No One on Earth beats Velvet Morning hands down!

Chooon!!, Shame it took so long to come out on vinyl though .

from hereonin your opinion does not count.

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Originally posted by scottiee 'Young Parisians ft. Ben Lost - Jump The Next Train' is by far still my fav.

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse the vocals of no one on earth are pretty crap, but it has the distinctive bassline, and really that is what makes it.

my god, i know! so very disappointed when i finally heard it after all the hype. a failed soprano with no power to her voice wailing lyrics of love i could have written in primary school. ooh, maybe that's a little harsh! but in imho it really is quite a weak vocal track.

holy uber-WTF. have we all forgotten the concept of subjectivity?

some people like vocal trance, some people do not. no one from one side is going to be able to 'argue' that one is better than the other in a manner that's going to convince anyone.

lets say i like green better than blue. JPL likes blue better than green. there's no 'logical argument' that he can use on me to alter my aesthetic preferences, as aesthetic preferences simply aren't something that are developed on the back of reason or logic. 'yeah man, stuff blue, the whole bloody sky is blue, aren't you sick of it by now? green is where its at'... 'nah man, my dog's crap is green, it freaks me out. i prefer blue, like that papa smurf doll i snuggle up with at night'

the worthwhile discussion, IMO, would be 'how do i know when to drop a vocal trance track' (or not), or 'what should i do when the crowd wants vocal trance but i think its all crap' or 'should i even have records in my box that i dont really like if i know the crowd will go off to them' or similar.

the sheer number of 'that song is crap' 'no its not' 'yes it is because it goes bleep shnurgle bleep and the shnurgle bit annoys me' 'no i think its great its the best part' discussions on here boggle the mind. although when they deteriorate into snoups-bashing i must admit they get interesting again.

everyone has different taste in music. pissing on others' taste in hopes of reinforcing your confidence in (or the popularity of) your own preferences seems silly. like wearing thongs to a club.

^^ im not normally one to flame...but what a load of bollocks! this thread has nothing to do with when to drop a vocal track or anything related to reinforcing one's confidence

just a chat about whether we rate vocal trance tracks or not. nothing wrong with that discussion.

yes, it is very subjective, but read my old post re art. im not saying i know it, but there *is* an intrinsic part of art that makes it good, average or shithouse. you cannot possibly tell me that me recording myself banging on pots and pans with a spoon is as musical as beethoven's symphonies. and youd have to say they were of equal value for your argument re blue V green to be consistent.

in a discussion re specific tracks, there aint nothing wrong with standing up for your faves and bashing your hates. just like any good footy debate

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Originally posted by escee So when you play it you just kind of ignore the vocals and tune into the bassline jpl? Thats cool. .

good basslines make people move their booties.

nyquist - do all canadians talk as much shit as you do? because you just filled the werribee sewrage plant farm with that one post right there. imagine the possibilities.

Can count on one hand the sum total of vocal trance tracks i have liked in the past 7 years. Maybe none cause i cant think of any right now.

I think for me to like vocals they had to mean something and none ever do. Im always floating or the sun is shining or im catching a train or my lifes complete and rapture tastes so sweet or i see birds and trees all the colours of the rainbow or you make my life complete or im a supakainer or well you get the rest.

Standouts of shitness - Globe - Sweet Pain (Push Remix)if there was ever a track that deserved a dub it was this.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im not saying i know it, but there *is* an intrinsic part of art that makes it good, average or shithouse. you cannot possibly tell me that me recording myself banging on pots and pans with a spoon is as musical as beethoven's symphonies. and youd have to say they were of equal value for your argument re blue V green to be consistent.

I disagree. While there are some things that are nearly universally appealing to western ears (eg basic ET chromatic scale stuff, or 70-160BPM) for mathematical or biological reasons, within those very broad boundaries its pretty subjective stuff. So what's art and what's not? Clearly not something we're going to agree on here - its an age-old argument across every artform. I mean, for sure there is crap dance music and good dance music, but does it take more talent to make belfunk than it does to make 'jump the next train' or 'as the rush comes'? I'd argue that the answer isn't neccesarily a given.

herein lies the problem - most of us would agree that the most commerical tracks are not the best artistically, and in fact there's almost an inverse relationship. in terms of commercial success, cheeseball vocal trance is to 'good' progressive what beethoven is to banging on pots and pans (or at least its nearest counterpart, Einst�rzende Neubauten) :P.

So yeah. Not trying to wind people up - just thinking that we like what we like for a variety of reasons, and quite often we can't help it anyways.

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Originally posted by DaveBegic nyquist - do all canadians talk as much shit as you do? because you just filled the werribee sewrage plant farm with that one post right there. imagine the possibilities.

sorry for pointing out the white elephant in the room! *runs*

never really a fan of vocals... 'skydive' and 'tears from the moon' and delerium tracks are notable exceptions...

<3 samples though... 'she rides', 'the prophet', 'in your eyes'...

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Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem although when they deteriorate into Nyquist_Theorem-bashing i must admit they get interesting again.

fixed, imo.

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Originally posted by Simon00 Im always floating or the sun is shining or im catching a train or my lifes complete and rapture tastes so sweet or i see birds and trees all the colours of the rainbow or you make my life complete or im a supakainer or well you get the rest.

a trance set with out a vocal track is prog and that is boring.

I saw this thread on vocal trance and thought i wonder if i got a mention. low and behold first post.

Thanks Dave for the love and support. You'll always be my number 2 fan behind Sid

Armin van Buuren - Shivers (Rising Star Mix)

ghey vocal.

Vocals are awesome !!

Hooligan - Hear You Now (Tiesto Remix) :: I rest my case.

BT & Chicane are probably the best and most consistend proponents of vocals in trance that i have heard.

I am really loving Middle Eastern sounds in trance at the moment as well, and the haunting vocals are quite unique.

Examples:

Art of Trance vs POB - Turkish Bizarre
Ofra Haza - Love Song

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Originally posted by Joshva I saw this thread on vocal trance and thought i wonder if i got a mention. low and behold first post. Thanks Dave for the love and support. You'll always be my number 2 fan behind Sid

thanks joshy

you'll always be my number 1

^^ speaking of which.

Infextious - Fly Away

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Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem I disagree. While there are some things that are nearly universally appealing to western ears (eg basic ET chromatic scale stuff, or 70-160BPM) for mathematical or biological reasons, within those very broad boundaries its pretty subjective stuff. So what's art and what's not? Clearly not something we're going to agree on here - its an age-old argument across every artform. I mean, for sure there is crap dance music and good dance music, but does it take more talent to make belfunk than it does to make 'jump the next train' or 'as the rush comes'? I'd argue that the answer isn't neccesarily a given. herein lies the problem - most of us would agree that the most commerical tracks are not the best artistically, and in fact there's almost an inverse relationship. in terms of commercial success, cheeseball vocal trance is to 'good' progressive what beethoven is to banging on pots and pans (or at least its nearest counterpart, Einst�rzende Neubauten) :P. So yeah. Not trying to wind people up - just thinking that we like what we like for a variety of reasons, and quite often we can't help it anyways. sorry for pointing out the white elephant in the room! *runs*

im lovign the articulation.... and all relevant.. there are just too many jaded knobends around who hate all stuff.. however there are prolly too many knobends like myself who's tastes may not be as diserning.. Either way... as long as people keep buying records it keeps our scene floating around..


maybe some people *looking at jizza* are too 'cool' to singalong to tunes in a packed out club....

THERES NOTHIGN WRONG WITH THAT I TELL YOU!

white elephant? nyquist - you been smoking crack lately?

joshva - i wish i could fly away too

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Originally posted by 00soups00 maybe some people *looking at jizza* are too 'cool' to singalong to tunes in a packed out club.... THERES NOTHIGN WRONG WITH THAT I TELL YOU!

LOL i belt em out with the best of them. im justine motherfucking suissa in my shower... but that's where it remains soupsy boy.

Ascension- For A Lifetime, whatever mix I've heard is seriously moving

Rui Da Silva- Touch Me, love it

Planet Perfecto- Bullet In The Gun, when I first heard this song I thought the lyrics were ridiculously cheesy and I couldn't get past that. And now I adore this track!

Vocals help make a track memorable, otherwise the track needs a fairly special and distinctive aspect to it eg Faithless- Insomnia

So very many tracks sound like they could have been made by any joe bloggs with the right program these days. The standard layers, you know? And kick it with a big synth derived from the massive anthems produced from 98/99.

Maybe vocals help people appreciate that someone at least had to write lyrics and a melody, as opposed to playing on the computer??

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Originally posted by queen_vee Maybe vocals help people appreciate that someone at least had to write lyrics and a melody, as opposed to playing on the computer??

What, you mean if you make trance on a computer then you don't have to write melodies?

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