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Posted by SYSTEM-J on Apr-12-2005 20:19:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
people don't care about the chart, because its a popularity contest.


93,000 voted in the chart in 2005. Mylo has sold more albums than the total number of votes for every DJ in the poll. And think how many of those voted for the Top 10 DJs alone. The DJ Mag poll doesn't prove jack shit.


Posted by sandstorm03 on Apr-12-2005 20:22:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
93,000 voted in the chart in 2005. Mylo has sold more albums than the total number of votes for every DJ in the poll. And think how many of those voted for the Top 10 DJs alone. The DJ Mag poll doesn't prove jack shit.


why isnt mylo there?


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Apr-12-2005 20:25:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
why isnt mylo there?


1. He's a producer more than a DJ. Like Norman Cook. Norman DJ'd to 300,000 people at one gig last year, yet he's better known as a producer. Norman Cook is better known than anyone in the whole chart, yet nobody votes for him.

2. He's only been well-known for the past 6-9 months. DJ Mag poll held in September- 8 months ago, just as Mylo starts to become popular.

3. Mylo is still best known in the UK because he is such a new act. Majority of DJ Mag votes = American.


Posted by sandstorm03 on Apr-12-2005 20:27:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
1. He's a producer more than a DJ. Like Norman Cook. Norman DJ'd to 300,000 people at one gig last year, yet he's better known as a producer. Norman Cook is better known than anyone in the whole chart, yet nobody votes for him.

2. He's only been well-known for the past 6-9 months. DJ Mag poll held in September- 8 months ago, just as Mylo starts to become popular.

3. Mylo is still best known in the UK because he is such a new act. Majority of DJ Mag votes = American.


your right U2 would not affect his career at all...


Posted by memusa on Apr-12-2005 20:27:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
93,000 voted in the chart in 2005. Mylo has sold more albums than the total number of votes for every DJ in the poll. And think how many of those voted for the Top 10 DJs alone. The DJ Mag poll doesn't prove jack shit.


Dude...regardless of who you are, the Chemical Brothers, Sasha, PvD or whichever established EDM artist out there, the bottom line is if you remix a band like U2 or any other HUGE band like them, you will get heard in other places outside forums like these or places where only EDM fans attend. The exposure you get out of this (and I repeat: this does not mean you're selling out) is something you can only achieve in years of producing track after track.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Apr-12-2005 20:30:

DOUBLE POST.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Apr-12-2005 20:31:

quote:
Originally posted by memusa
Dude...regardless of who you are, the Chemical Brothers, Sasha, PvD or whichever established EDM artist out there, the bottom line is if you remix a band like U2 or any other HUGE band like them, you will get heard in other places outside forums like these or places where only EDM fans attend. The exposure you get out of this (and I repeat: this does not mean you're selling out) is something you can only achieve in years of producing track after track.


Mylo is doing the festival circuit this year. Thousands of indie rock fans will hear him. Compare that to a U2 remix most non-EDM fans will never encounter. Also, it may bring some new popularity to a name, but Mylo is too big a name for a U2 remix to "make or break" his career. Same applies for all the names you mentioned. Whether or not they remix U2 won't significantly alter their popularity.


Posted by sandstorm03 on Apr-12-2005 20:33:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Mylo is doing the festival circuit this year. Thousands of indie rock fans will hear him. Compare that to a U2 remix most non-EDM fans will never encounter. Also, it may bring some new popularity to a name, but Mylo is too big a name for a U2 remix to "make or break" his career. Same applies for all the names you mentioned. Whether or not they remix U2 won't significantly alter their popularity.


quote:
He's only been well-known for the past 6-9 months. DJ Mag poll held in September- 8 months ago, just as Mylo starts to become popular.


his career is huge, ive known him for years...


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Apr-12-2005 20:37:

He's only been around for about three years, and he spent two of those making his album.


Posted by AndskiSpeed on Apr-12-2005 20:39:

quote:
Originally posted by memusa


Andski: like DJ_GtR said, it is your opinion dude, but keep in mind there's a reason why this band is the most important band in the world right now for many many reasons. There's also a reason why they've kept releasing stuff for the last 25 years, and none of their albums have sold less than 8-9 million copies each.

But yeah, I guess no one gets the point of how non-special this band is. All of us who've bought their records throughout all these years must be wrong and have no taste in music...I guess.


They don't seem that important to me, but whatever! I can see the reason why they've kept releasing stuff for 25 years, they're making lots and lots and lots of money

Really though, they are to rock what Tiesto is to trance, people new to the genre or don't have much of a clue all love them because everybody else does, but they don't realise they're nothing special, like with Tiesto's dodgy mixing, the music in the U2 songs isn't great, like in Beautiful Day and Sometime's You Can't Make It On Your Own (I can't really comment on any of their very old stuff as I haven't heard it all, but from what I hear they were a lot better back then), simple basslines and guitars etc. The new material's lyrics are at best average, and the guitars in the 2 latest singles are the same! Fancy effects etc can make the riff to Vertigo sound cool but its all very basic really, the same with Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own although there's not really a big riff in that track. Anyway I don't really have much time to write a very long essay on this so I'll keep it short.

U2 ride on the hype and status they've created in the past with some pretty good records and keep it going with very average material and lots of promotion on TV and radio etc (see All That You Can't Leave Behind, urgh), but nothing to make them the "legend" that they are at the moment, with a massive world tour that they charge �80 a ticket for. If they had lots of great songs on the standard of "Free Bird" by Lynard Skynard then fair enough I'd love them, but as I said earlier with really average music and lyrics there's so many more bands I'd rather listen to than U2 eg The Smiths, The Clash, Jimi Hendrix, New Order and Joy Division, Interpol, Pixies and many many others.


Posted by memusa on Apr-12-2005 20:49:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Mylo is doing the festival circuit this year. Thousands of indie rock fans will hear him. Compare that to a U2 remix most non-EDM fans will never encounter. Also, it may bring some new popularity to a name, but Mylo is too big a name for a U2 remix to "make or break" his career. Same applies for all the names you mentioned. Whether or not they remix U2 won't significantly alter their popularity.


I'm sorry to break it to you, but Mylo is not that big of a name. He's very talented and I love basically all his productions (also his EM was very interesting) but he's not an established producer. Like you said before, he just recently hit it "big" some months ago. He may be big in the UK now, but in the rest of the world, he still has a long long way to go.

Just think of it like this: If U2 sells 10 million albums for "How to dismantle an atomic bomb", it is fair to estimate that 5% of those sales are from the hardcore fans who also buy all the singles that are released for the album. That would make it 500,000 fans who would get a copy of the "Blinding Light" single...a number of people Mylo probably didn't count on with his regular sales.


Posted by memusa on Apr-12-2005 21:14:

quote:
Originally posted by AndskiSpeed
Really though, they are to rock what Tiesto is to trance, people new to the genre or don't have much of a clue all love them because everybody else does, but they don't realise they're nothing special, like with Tiesto's dodgy mixing, the music in the U2 songs isn't great, like in Beautiful Day and Sometime's You Can't Make It On Your Own (I can't really comment on any of their very old stuff as I haven't heard it all, but from what I hear they were a lot better back then), simple basslines and guitars etc. The new material's lyrics are at best average, and the guitars in the 2 latest singles are the same! Fancy effects etc can make the riff to Vertigo sound cool but its all very basic really, the same with Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own although there's not really a big riff in that track. Anyway I don't really have much time to write a very long essay on this so I'll keep it short.

U2 ride on the hype and status they've created in the past with some pretty good records and keep it going with very average material and lots of promotion on TV and radio etc (see All That You Can't Leave Behind, urgh), but nothing to make them the "legend" that they are at the moment, with a massive world tour that they charge �80 a ticket for. If they had lots of great songs on the standard of "Free Bird" by Lynard Skynard then fair enough I'd love them, but as I said earlier with really average music and lyrics there's so many more bands I'd rather listen to than U2 eg The Smiths, The Clash, Jimi Hendrix, New Order and Joy Division, Interpol, Pixies and many many others.


OK...Here we go...

1. To compare Tiesto to U2 is just plain blasfemy. Tiesto will never have the status U2 have because he doesn't even come close to the talent these four irish men have displayed for so many years...album after album.

2. I do agree that their latest album isn't their best. I don't like most of it. But keep in mind there's a reason why all their tour dates (except for 2 or 3 I believe) are sold out for the Vertigo Tour.

3. Maybe you're not old enough to remember, but back in 1997 when U2 released POP, they were trashed by their fans and the media for what was an "unfinished" album and a mediocre POPMART tour. U2 had to come back from that hard hit when everybody labeled them as a band that was dead and had nothing more worth to release. Sales for POP back then were 8 million (Don't know how much more of it they've sold to be honest), and that was, like I said, what the press and most fans labeled as their worst album of their career.

4. To come back from a hit like that isn't easy. But U2 did. And not many bands (if any) can achieve that. "All that you can't leave behind" sold about 11 million copies in a time when Napster and other file sharing programs were at its peak as there was little or no control on what you could download on these. The Elevation tour was the highest grossing tour that year and they were back. You DO NOT sell 11 million copies of "average" material, my friend, especially if you're just "riding on your status" and don't show breasts like Britney does.

5. Name 20 hits by Lynard Skynard. I can name 30 U2 hits people will remember instantly after just listening to 10 seconds of a song.

6. Artists who write "average" lyrics don't usually write about war in El Salvador (Bullet the blue sky), war in Northern Ireland (Sunday Bloody Sunday & Please), AIDS (One), Ecstacy (Discotheque), Your dying father (Kite), Your dying mother (MoFo), Martin Luther King (Pride)...and I could go on and on...

7. Similarly, bands who ride on their "hype", don't usually collaborate and or record with respected artists such as Luciano Pavarotti, Johnny Cash, Michael Stype, Roy Lichtenstein, Michael Hutchence, Brian Eno...and I could go on and on...

But yeah...I guess we're all wrong to agree with what this band has acomplished and done for rock n' roll.


Posted by vswede on Apr-12-2005 21:15:

mylo remixed keane- this is the last time???

mylo is definently rocking it lately i really like his productions and remixes. not a fan of "drop the pressure"


Posted by auranaut on Apr-12-2005 21:37:

Mylo gets played on the radio/MTV? Not over here, from what I've heard. Heck, even Richie Hawtin was played regularly for a while on a music channel here...


Posted by deibero on Apr-12-2005 22:29:

doesnt matter how popular mylo is and how many people know him on TA or in other edm forums...
the bottom line is this: if he remixes u2, the most popular rock band in the world atm, he's gonna be known by many not edm fans who might like his music and get a bigger name for himself...
i know a lot of people who now have heard of redanka for remixing vertigo...that's just the way it is... how many people got to know above and beyond for remiing madonna????
is not called selling out is called taking advantage of a great opportunity that doesnt come often... and he can screw out with the remix and still, he remixed U2!

(who knows? maybe mylo really wants to "destroy rock & roll" [even though he doesnt mention u2 in the song] just kidding )


Posted by biznology on Apr-12-2005 22:54:

quote:
Originally posted by deibero
...
is not called selling out is called taking advantage of a great opportunity that doesnt come often... and he can screw out with the remix and still, he remixed U2!
...


but he said he wouldnt remix them...i think youve confused this thread more than others.

he isnt gonna remix them, simple as that.

doesnt matter 'how old you are' or anything. i cant believe this has turned into a nearly ten page thread about nothing....

oh well, such is ta|


Posted by deibero on Apr-12-2005 23:17:

quote:
Originally posted by biznology
but he said he wouldnt remix them...i think youve confused this thread more than others.

he isnt gonna remix them, simple as that.

doesnt matter 'how old you are' or anything. i cant believe this has turned into a nearly ten page thread about nothing....

oh well, such is ta|


i dont understand what you're saying...
everything seems clear to me...
i believed that even though he turned the remix down, he should have taken it...
one think is what really happened and another is my opinion!


Posted by AndskiSpeed on Apr-12-2005 23:31:

quote:
Originally posted by memusa
OK...Here we go...

1. To compare Tiesto to U2 is just plain blasfemy. Tiesto will never have the status U2 have because he doesn't even come close to the talent these four irish men have displayed for so many years...album after album.

2. I do agree that their latest album isn't their best. I don't like most of it. But keep in mind there's a reason why all their tour dates (except for 2 or 3 I believe) are sold out for the Vertigo Tour.

3. Maybe you're not old enough to remember, but back in 1997 when U2 released POP, they were trashed by their fans and the media for what was an "unfinished" album and a mediocre POPMART tour. U2 had to come back from that hard hit when everybody labeled them as a band that was dead and had nothing more worth to release. Sales for POP back then were 8 million (Don't know how much more of it they've sold to be honest), and that was, like I said, what the press and most fans labeled as their worst album of their career.

4. To come back from a hit like that isn't easy. But U2 did. And not many bands (if any) can achieve that. "All that you can't leave behind" sold about 11 million copies in a time when Napster and other file sharing programs were at its peak as there was little or no control on what you could download on these. The Elevation tour was the highest grossing tour that year and they were back. You DO NOT sell 11 million copies of "average" material, my friend, especially if you're just "riding on your status" and don't show breasts like Britney does.

5. Name 20 hits by Lynard Skynard. I can name 30 U2 hits people will remember instantly after just listening to 10 seconds of a song.

6. Artists who write "average" lyrics don't usually write about war in El Salvador (Bullet the blue sky), war in Northern Ireland (Sunday Bloody Sunday & Please), AIDS (One), Ecstacy (Discotheque), Your dying father (Kite), Your dying mother (MoFo), Martin Luther King (Pride)...and I could go on and on...

7. Similarly, bands who ride on their "hype", don't usually collaborate and or record with respected artists such as Luciano Pavarotti, Johnny Cash, Michael Stype, Roy Lichtenstein, Michael Hutchence, Brian Eno...and I could go on and on...

But yeah...I guess we're all wrong to agree with what this band has acomplished and done for rock n' roll.


Mmmm I agree and disagree with your points there, but I can't really be bothered to write another long post on it so I'll just say a couple of things:

I agree that they've done good selling a lot of records, selling out world tours, being around for 25 years etc, and respect them for managing to get to that level of success.

We could argue all day about how good or bad they really are, but you must agree that they aren't very good anymore, since Pop (or even Zooropa?) they've not really put out anything that's particularly worth a mention (arguably Beautiful Day, but I'm not much of a fan of that).

I don't really think that U2 have made such a great comeback as you say, maybe All that you can't leave behind was a lot better than Pop, which I haven't heard but I do have All That You Can't Leave Behind (I got it for Christmas unfortunately) and it's not particularly that good, the only tracks I can remember from there are Beautiful Day and Elevation (which I liked at the time), and you agreed that their new album isn't very good....

Hmm, that'll do for now, anyway my opinion is still the same, I don't like them, I think they're massively overrated and very average musically


Posted by Az on Apr-12-2005 23:57:

mylo is fucking shit


Posted by AndskiSpeed on Apr-13-2005 00:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
mylo is fucking shit


haha I shouldn't have bothered reading, I should have known you were going to say that


Posted by Az on Apr-13-2005 00:08:

I put drop the pressure on a CD for a mate the other day, it's fucking shit.
Destroy rock n roll is shitter
you can tell it's some dodgy pothead from a remote scottish island.
Mylo makes no sense, therefore is shit


Posted by retrobyte on Apr-13-2005 00:11:

I actually really enjoyed Drop the Pressure and his other stuff (except for Destroy Rock 'N Roll...not a fan of that one), so I would be curious as to what he would do with a U2 track. We're definitely going to hear more from this guy though, he seems to be the go-to guy at the moment.


Posted by deibero on Apr-13-2005 00:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
mylo is fucking shit


this justs shows everyone how ignorant some members of TA are...
its a fucking shame...


Posted by Az on Apr-13-2005 00:17:

quote:
Originally posted by deibero
this justs shows everyone how ignorant some members of TA are...
its a fucking shame...

excuse me?
I like good music
an incredibly stoned jock playing with his my first casio isn't good music


Posted by AndskiSpeed on Apr-13-2005 00:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
excuse me?
I like good music
an incredibly stoned jock playing with his my first casio isn't good music


I agree with Az, I heard Drop The Pressure the other week in a club, its not very good :S


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